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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/6/2006 5:32:51 AM   
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Well this was interesting......i have been jumping around posts so if i seem a little scattered, please forgive me. First let me ask why being on CM for only a day matters??? Although i think that if you read the message boards and contribute you can learn alot, i don't think that length of time on CM is a qualifier or disqualifier for knowledge. People may join with a great deal of experience already and some may be on here for years trolling just trying to figure out more ways to get me to send them picts.
    As far as the money goes.........well lets face it, "SOME" (and you see that in large capital letters with quotes around it) are whores. Lets not pretend otherwise. i cannot tell you how many. i don't think it is a large percentage though. My problem is that there are too many 'Dommes' out there who charge alot of money (and let's face it, $150 and more is alot of money considering what the average person makes) and the domme does not deliver. i am not talking about sex. i have visited prodommes in my youth and have never expected nor wanted sex from them. i am about the BDSM and there are many "prodommes" out there that either can't or don't deliver on that aspect. Unfortunately the lazy and the leaches out there figure it an easy way to make money and start to ruin it for everyone.
     i know that the subs have alot to do with the problem. Many want and expect sex. Many are time wasters, liars and no shows. What that stems from is hard to say. Some of it has to do with that's just the way people are unfortunately. Some have built up resentment over the years from being burned by the fake dommes out there and some just cant afford the $150 or more dollars and take what they can at the Dommes expense. If you want to charge for your services, thats your decision and right. You won't see me, but if others do want to take you up on that great. Don't be surprised or annoyed though when it turns into a business. i have been self employeed for years. i get asshole clients, i get deadbeat clients, i get scammers, no shows, and pains in the ass. Its a business, it comes with the territory. Are you a Goddess who deserves to be treated with respect and dignity? i don't know if i have never met you, but when you start charging for your services things change. You are now a Goddess for hire and unfortunately out there in the business world the maxm is "the customers always right"
     For the one Domme who said she takes her live in slaves paycheck and keeps him on an allowance..........i am perfectly fine with that. He has a roof and food and his bills are paid. As a slave i have no problem working. i have never expected to do otherwise. i would prefer that if i had a live in Domme She take the paycheck and keep me on an allowance. That being said, i have to trust her completely. She could not just piss it all away. This is life. We need a roof over our heads, retirement paid for, food on the table and the bills paid. Unfortunately, in these types of situations it is possible for unscrupulous dommes, vindictive dommes and/or stupid dommes to financially ruin their sub and end up out on the street.
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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/6/2006 5:47:41 AM   
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Exactly, why should I be out thousands so someone else can enjoy it all? I think people should be prepared to pay for what they want. If your only looking for casual play and not a ltr then you have to understand that sometimes that comes with a pricetag.

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/6/2006 6:06:40 AM   
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I'm betting a LOT of people are whores in her mind.

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Ah, so folks who are teaching -- Jack Rinella and Midori pop into my head right up front -- who are training on BDSM for money -- are whores? And how is it that you've come to this conclusion?


 
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I bet so too-  this girl probably calls everyone whores.
 
I guess those sex therapists who have sex with their patients are whores.  And phone sex operators who DONT have sex  (oral or otherwise) with their clients are whore too.  And pros who DONT have sex (oral or otherwise) are whores too. 
 
Gimme a break.

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/6/2006 6:08:24 AM   
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I am a CPA and make very good money. Yet, I still take his paycheck. Now what? Oh that must make me a prostitute with a job on the side.  


Anyone who lives with an Accountant should hand them their paycheck and feel very blessed they have an expert in the house.  That is not prostitution, that is wise, fair and being an adult.  ProDommes are for no-strings scenes (which based on the OP profile seems exactly whats in order for him). Thank goodness they provide that service because I certainly don't have time for it.  They should charge whatever the market will bare based on their assets and skills like any other professional.  I am not drawn to fulfill the wish list of sexual bottoms who are mistakenly calling themselves slaves or subs, in casual scenes focused on their own pleasure and agenda. 

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/6/2006 6:09:33 AM   
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Let me make myself perfectly clear.

Anyone who takes money for BDSM play or training, whether they be male, female, or some freaky combination of both, is a whore.

Ah, so folks who are teaching -- Jack Rinella and Midori pop into my head right up front -- who are training on BDSM for money -- are whores? And how is it that you've come to this conclusion?


Why are all of you falling for such a suckers play.....this is prolly the bald dude from NY.



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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/17/2006 5:41:01 PM   
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wow....i just brought a straight jacket ..one item cost me $500 FOR SOMEONE LIKE THAT WINGER TO BE ABLE TO PLAY WITH.. THE HORSES BRIDLE TO FIT A MANS HEAD COST ME  $200 the new whips that are being made all 4 of them cost me $500 and thats in a week... a month ago I brought 3 boxes of fetish boots that cost me $1500 AND  my purple latex cat suit is going to cost me $400 ... Just so I can pay with an ungrateful prick like him who moans and groans about the cost?????????????????// If you want to play you have to pay for the equipment ...fool... find a cheaper hobby then and leave the grateful ones to get on with enjoying their paid for fantasies

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/17/2006 5:51:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mistressnfantasy

wow....i just brought a straight jacket ..one item cost me $500 FOR SOMEONE LIKE THAT WINGER TO BE ABLE TO PLAY WITH.. THE HORSES BRIDLE TO FIT A MANS HEAD COST ME  $200 the new whips that are being made all 4 of them cost me $500 and thats in a week... a month ago I brought 3 boxes of fetish boots that cost me $1500 AND  my purple latex cat suit is going to cost me $400 ... Just so I can pay with an ungrateful prick like him who moans and groans about the cost?????????????????// If you want to play you have to pay for the equipment ...fool... find a cheaper hobby then and leave the grateful ones to get on with enjoying their paid for fantasies


CANT REFUTE SUCH A REASONABLE EXPLAINATION.  OUTSTANDING

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 10/18/2006 6:31:27 PM   
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As we always say at the Academy-

A session with a Dominatrix might cost you from $150-$300 but so can a regular date with any Woman (and do you always get what you want from the date????)

A Girlfriend will cost you even more (and you still might not get what you want from that relationship!!)

A Wife and family will cost you even more.

A divorce can bankrupt you.

So what's a mere $150 for a session to get your kink or fetish!!

And even if your a lifestyler, if your only focus is on money and "getting it for free" then you don't have what it takes to be a slave.

A slave might be asked to buy dinner, gifts, hand over his wages, and other financial needs.

It is certainly not the lifestyle Mistress's responsibility to pay for everything!!

There's no such thing as FREE slavery.

Slavery is not for cheap selfish males.

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/18/2007 11:32:03 PM   
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Probably couldn't handle ten minutes in a real life BDSM that wasn't staged for his pleasure and enjoyment.

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 4:26:52 AM   
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               I really enjoy being dominated by a women but honestly is something I cant afford. Looks to me that its a fetish just for rich old guys, some mistresses ask for 300 an hour some even 500, come on !! thats a week salary and we dont even have sex.


Why not ask for a discount? I understand sometimes you can get frequent
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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 4:51:20 AM   
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  LOLOL, best advice yet to a poor whiner.     M

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 6:51:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mistressnfantasy

wow....i just brought a straight jacket ..one item cost me $500 FOR SOMEONE LIKE THAT WINGER TO BE ABLE TO PLAY WITH.. THE HORSES BRIDLE TO FIT A MANS HEAD COST ME  $200 the new whips that are being made all 4 of them cost me $500 and thats in a week... a month ago I brought 3 boxes of fetish boots that cost me $1500 AND  my purple latex cat suit is going to cost me $400 ... Just so I can pay with an ungrateful prick like him who moans and groans about the cost?????????????????// If you want to play you have to pay for the equipment ...fool... find a cheaper hobby then and leave the grateful ones to get on with enjoying their paid for fantasies

Just referring to this one post only because it carried the theme of "gee.. all this stuff costs so much!"
 
You are doing it back-wards.,  If someone wants a certain fetish..you ask if they have the equipment..if not, you give them a link as to where to buy it.   And have them understand they are buying it for THEMSELVES for you to use on them.
 
OR BETTER YET:  Have the pro dommes form a network where they can borrow equipment from each other. (not insertables of course).. but those are so affordable the client could buy them for himself and bring them.  This also has a level of "commitment" on the clients' part. It should also cut down on the no-shows plus gets them starting on creating their own play bag.
 
And for those of you who are hired by the dungeons..why doesn't the dungeon provide the heavy equipment (other than the crosses and eye bolts, I mean)?
 
Sometimes, you Pros sound like you just aren't having all that much fun.

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 7:01:07 AM   
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Not... all.... TOO.. many  tho. many  subs have their  OWN  equipment and, of course there are those subs  ( usually  married ) that have to PAY out of  sexual need or for disctretionary reasons, Also, many Mistress's,  "GET OFF " by  charging $$$..What difference does it make ,after all....... You can either "PAY"  or  pass them by..can't You

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 7:36:21 AM   
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I've had the pleasure of knowing several Dommes. One became a very good friend and mentor, one was just a kink-buddy, and a few were simply play partners. Not one of them involved money.

The reason? For starters, they were lifestyle Dommes, and not professionals. Also, they got to know me well enough to know that my psyche was that of a submissive. In other words, their desire came before/in place of my own. I didn't present myself with a list of things I needed from them.

Thoughts? Similar opinions?

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 8:06:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jimbo747

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

I'm betting a LOT of people are whores in her mind.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora
Ah, so folks who are teaching -- Jack Rinella and Midori pop into my head right up front -- who are training on BDSM for money -- are whores? And how is it that you've come to this conclusion?



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I bet so too- this girl probably calls everyone whores.

I guess those sex therapists who have sex with their patients are whores. And phone sex operators who DONT have sex (oral or otherwise) with their clients are whore too. And pros who DONT have sex (oral or otherwise) are whores too.

Gimme a break.



I didn't see the post that mentions Jack until now.

I don't know about Midori but I do know Jack Rinella both as an educator and personally. When Jack goes to events he's lucky if those who asked him to come cover his travel expensives, hotel and admission. He generally does not get any fee and he does not ask for one. His books sales usually add something but a lot of folks cling to their money.

(And you should be picky about where you spend your money)

In fact most of these educators do not charge a fee except for the very few that are super famous.

I know that I don't charge though its nice of travel, lodging and admissions are covered to events. I'm happy to do book readings within 3 hours drive if I can sell my books.

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 8:34:24 AM   
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Dear Mother Theresa,

As we always say at the Academy-

A session with a Dominatrix might cost you from $150-$300 but so can a regular date with any Woman (and do you always get what you want from the date???

Where a date might lead to relationship for a lifetime.  Guys, learn to cook, invite her over for dinner.     (you’re a slave, right?)

A Girlfriend will cost you even more (and you still might not get what you want from that relationship!!) 

Which is usually a roll in the hay, but then Pros say they aren’t all about sex anyway. 

A Wife and family will cost you even more.

Agreed.  Like money for healthcare, the kids needing school supplies perhaps a special toy they wanted, maybe a family trip.

A divorce can bankrupt you.

A good marriage will sustain you.

So what's a mere $150 for a session to get your kink or fetish!!

When  you realize that “mere $150” was needed to pay a bill you forgot.

And even if your a lifestyler, if your only focus is on money and "getting it for free" then you don't have what it takes to be a slave.

And even if your a lifestyler, if your only focus is on money and "doing it for a fee" then you don't have what it takes to be a Domme.

A slave might be asked to buy dinner, gifts, hand over his wages, and other financial needs.

And hopefully the slave will think twice.

It is certainly not the lifestyle Mistress's responsibility to pay for everything!!

Heavens no!  She needs to get her employer to provider her with what she needs.  It should be her responsibility to educate so they can sustain their desires. “Give a man a fish, he’ll eat for a day.  TEACH a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime”.

There's no such thing as FREE slavery.

Oh, yes there is. 

Slavery is not for cheap selfish males.

Nor predatory  “business women”.

Gentle-men, should you be moved to grant a gift to ANYONE in life, then that is a blessing to the receiver.  If you are demanded of to give, and if you do at that time..don’t bitch about it.


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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 8:41:38 AM   
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TammyJo's point is important to think about because I, too, know a number of people who present classes on bdsm activities, and I can name maybe a tenth of the ones that I know that see it as any type of profitable activity, and quite often because it introduces people to the woman putting on the class, who happens to be a professional dominant, so it has the ability to drive future business, even if the class doesn't make any money.

What I normally see are experienced individuals who devote a great deal of time to trying to educate people in the community about aspects of bdsm and D/s activities. The "profit" is so minimal when you compare it to the costs of producing the event they normally put on. These people do this because they are leaders of our community and want to help grow the community, something not a lot of people are capable of doing, as a lot of name recognition people create cliques and become exclusionary rather than open to helping others in an altruistic manner.

Now, back to the whole "money" thing. I will admit that my personal beliefs these days feel that the prices that a lot of dominants charge are astronomical, compared to what I used to remember in the older days. But that's what their market is supporting, so I really don't have any cause to say that prices should come down. If the women working today can continue to charge such prices (and I'm referring to the $250 and WAY up types of prices for an hour), and survive, then all the power to them. However, it does mean that I don't do sessions anymore, and I'm the only one that suffers in that circumstance, because I'm sure there's no huge outcry happening in the professional dominant community about a lack of little sarbonns doing sessions. Personally, and this is just an economic guess on my part, I have a strong feeling prices are going to have to come down because I don't think the market can support the number of up and coming dominants versus the ability, and willingness, of potential submissives to continue paying for such sessions.

I do work in the bdsm community on a peripheral basis (supporting someone else's bdsm business that she has been running for close to two decades now), so I keep a close eye on the bdsm market, and I've been seeing some very dangerous signs that I don't think people who are so locked into the current paradigm are capable of seeing themselves. It's going to become harder and harder to support oneself in the bdsm community in the near future, and I sometimes wish I had the ear of a lot of the women working in this community, but I discovered a long time ago that no matter how many economic predictions I make that come true, no one listens to a "random" submissive male because there are so many around that can be listened to, even if the rest of them are guessing based on their interactions with a small, tiny subset of a much larger and bigger picture. Fortunately, the woman for whom I have been working for the last twelve years does listen to me (even if she doesn't always follow my advice...she's a pretty good businesswoman herself, so she's pretty good at filtering what works for her), which indicates to me why she has been successful this long in an atmosphere where two years can destroy a career in an avalanche that no one ever saw coming.


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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 8:48:35 AM   
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Yes i agree with you there mate , there are a lot of avaricious women out there, thats why i dont submit that often, its an absolute rip off

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 8:50:25 AM   
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##$300 cheap your gone stark raving mad lady, oh well your not really untypical, most women in this business are unfortunately divorced from reality

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RE: Why Mistresses are all just about money ! - 1/19/2007 9:05:00 AM   
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My statements are what I believe to be the truth.

A whore is a whore.


And an asshole is an asshole. 




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