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Slavery


Gender
  6% (3)
Race
  0% (0)
Religion
  0% (0)
Sexual Orientation
  2% (1)
Slavery should be outlawed completely
  2% (1)
Slavery should never be without mutual consent
  89% (41)


Total Votes : 46
(last vote on : 2/4/2008 4:08:32 AM)
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Lashra -> Slavery (10/1/2006 7:50:45 PM)

Do you believe that slavery should be a forced way of life for some people based solely upon their:




Misstoyou -> RE: Slavery (10/1/2006 8:43:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

Do you believe that slavery should be a forced way of life for some people based solely upon their:



No. (Is this a trick question?)





BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Slavery (10/2/2006 2:03:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Misstoyou
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra
Do you believe that slavery should be a forced way of life for some people based solely upon their:

No. (Is this a trick question?)
Yeah, I'm not sure what to answer either.
I mean I know a lot of wankers write saying "you should be the goddess who subjects all men to blah, blah, blah," but I just think stupid jerk when I get those, and can't possibly thing about it beyond that.   M




Level -> RE: Slavery (10/2/2006 3:39:11 AM)

Does slavery really exist? If a tree falls and no one is there to see it, does it still make a sound? Does a bear shit in the woods?




LadyEllen -> RE: Slavery (10/2/2006 3:49:57 AM)

There are plenty of people who seem incapable of taking care of themselves in our society, and who while away their time doing nothing. Maybe slavery would be a useful social tool to take care of this problem. Not cruel and sadistic slavery mind, just the allocation of the lower orders to useful work for their betters.

Mrs A Hitler
1945




Lashra -> RE: Slavery (10/2/2006 8:16:41 AM)

Nope not a trick at all, just wanting to get an idea of what people really think of the subject.

The reason I ask is because the other day I heard a man say that he felt all black people should be enslaved because they couldn't think for themselves, they needed a white man to do it for them. Then a few days later I heard another man say all women should be enslaved for the same reason. Now I seriously do not agree with that, but I was just curious if asked how a person here would respond.

I personally don't believe in slavery unless its totally consensual between the parties.

~Lashra




LadyEllen -> RE: Slavery (10/2/2006 8:54:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

Nope not a trick at all, just wanting to get an idea of what people really think of the subject.

The reason I ask is because the other day I heard a man say that he felt all black people should be enslaved because they couldn't think for themselves, they needed a white man to do it for them. Then a few days later I heard another man say all women should be enslaved for the same reason. Now I seriously do not agree with that, but I was just curious if asked how a person here would respond.

I personally don't believe in slavery unless its totally consensual between the parties.

~Lashra



Absolutely. There is no group, however one might define people into groups, which should be enslaved in the true sense of that word, just because of one characteristic shared by that group, whether that is race, religion, gender, sexuality or whatever.

Any group one might care to define by naturally shared characteristics, consists of such a mix of people of all qualities, abilities and intents, that such grouping is totally inapplicable as a means of prescribing anything about that group other than that its members share one common characteristic. Being white does not mean anything other than that one is white, being male does not mean anything other than that one is male. To prescribe superiority over all others in any way, based on one natural characteristic such as race or sex, is ridiculous.

However, true slavery has never been about who is more intelligent, who is bigger/stronger or the like. True slavery has ever been and still is in various parts of the world, about who is rich and who is poor. The poor have ever been the mainstay commodity of slavery, just as the rich have been the owners.

If we reinstated slavery on the sort of grounds I suggested in the post above, ie that we enslave all those who lack any direction and/or success in leading their lives, then it could well be that the owners in some cases would be black women, controlling white male slaves. I'm sure Oprah could afford quite a few, for one. This is the nature of slavery - it has no respect for racial or sexual supposed superiority - it is all to do with money, who has it and who doesnt.

The real reason true slavery died out in our economies was because it became uneconomic to continue it. Instead it was replaced with a far more viable means of controlling labour to produce wealth in the modern market - wages which whilst enough to survive on, obliged the worker to turn up and work ever harder the next week, in order to continue to survive.

True slavery as it was practiced in the past, is an abomination. I do sometimes wonder though whether some people in our society might benefit from some greater supervision of their lives and being directed to something of use - albeit without the sort of evils which appertain to slavery proper. To see how some of them live, in a situation of hopeless squalor and poverty and subject to every evil of society, it makes me kind of think if only I could take control of them and get them out of that situation and give them some purpose and happiness? A sort of maternalistic slavery!?

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twicehappy -> RE: Slavery (10/2/2006 9:38:04 AM)

Forced, never i think it is by mutual consent; after consent can a slave be made to obey, yes i think so.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Slavery (10/2/2006 11:09:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra
The reason I ask is because the other day I heard a man say that he felt all black people should be enslaved because they couldn't think for themselves, they needed a white man to do it for them. Then a few days later I heard another man say all women should be enslaved for the same reason. Now I seriously do not agree with that, but I was just curious if asked how a person here would respond.
~Lashra
I'm surprised you brought it up...  Do you really think the ignorant would be so clueless as to step up and say, oh yeah, leh me pull my pants up, and tell yah what I think lil girrrl....
This thread is kind of like Oprah giving white supremacists the stage; she might show them to be buffoons, but they've still gotten 15minutes of previously unimaginable fame.    M




ToGiveDivine -> RE: Slavery (10/3/2006 7:47:58 AM)

I think men should be slaves to women.  For those women that like the submissive role, a suitable male slave will be chosen to "Dom" them and afterwards, the "Dom" will be punished for assuming a dominant role over a woman (out of eye and ear shot of the female wanting to be dominated so it doesn't ruin her buzz).

This is a win-win for everyone, ummm .... well, except for the men that don't want to be enslaved.   Hmmmm, let me think about this some more - I'm close, I know it ;-D

As for any idiot that thinks whites should enslave blacks or men should enslave women - look back to history; it didn't work then and it won't now. 

Even slavery by choice doesn't always work out, but at least it was the person's choice to be enslaved.




Rule -> RE: Slavery (10/3/2006 8:08:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
To see how some of them live, in a situation of hopeless squalor and poverty and subject to every evil of society, it makes me kind of think if only I could take control of them and get them out of that situation and give them some purpose and happiness? A sort of maternalistic slavery!?

So go for it.




LadyEllen -> RE: Slavery (10/3/2006 8:41:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
To see how some of them live, in a situation of hopeless squalor and poverty and subject to every evil of society, it makes me kind of think if only I could take control of them and get them out of that situation and give them some purpose and happiness? A sort of maternalistic slavery!?

So go for it.


I somehow think that I'd be fleeced for whatever I have and they'd still live in squalor, unfortunately!
E




MasterRenegade77 -> RE: Slavery (10/3/2006 2:00:54 PM)

I've always been a Strong proponent of SSC
(Safe, Sane & Consentual)
Slavery should be forced upon No-One unless they've given thier "Explicit consent"!!!




amayos -> RE: Slavery (10/3/2006 2:15:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

Do you believe that slavery should be a forced way of life for some people based solely upon their [sex / gender / race /religion / sexual orientation] ?



I prefer the choice-based motif of slavery. Forced slavery does not produce the best slaves, as evidenced in certain accounts of history. But even in the choice-based system, I feel it must be pursued with good care and a substantial level of human understanding. Without that understanding, one's effort to create a loyal servant will fail.






LaTigresse -> RE: Slavery (10/3/2006 2:47:44 PM)

Amayos voiced my feelings, only better than I could have.




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