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Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/1/2006 9:17:35 PM   
TreSwank


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Status: offline 		    I'll bet you boys and girls a shiny and well-polished buffalo nickel that it all started with a kind, but misplaced word of praise from Mrs. Sandrock in seventh-grade English.  She probably skimmed through the shitty paper rather quickly, in that perfunctory, middle school teacher kind of way, repressing her well-trained gag reflex with every bland, sentimental, and downright embarrassing gush of emotional jibber-gabber.  It must have taken a steadfast, George Patton-type resolve to keep down the stomach acids while reading through stanzas like THIS:

                    My life - a dark consummation of energies
                       My mercenary spirit quivers on the threshold of dark ecstasy.
                       You behold my scars, but look away
 
She was most definitely aware that you possessed some amateur-ish literary aspirations, but the ABSOLUTE worst thing that the wizened old bag could have done would be to ENCOURAGE you............which she did, probably against her better judgment.

I've always been of the mindset, that, had someone made a young Adolf Hitler privy to the fact that watercolors were not his strong suite - perhaps the young lad would have taken up a more profitable venture, like landscaping, or maybe even popular music.  Given his penchant for Wagnerian opera, there's a chance that Hitler had some American Idol, Billboard Top 20 potential.

           "  Zees boot ver made for valking.
               Un zat's just vut ze'll do."
 
Think about it for a minute or two, and let the good sense sink in.  A moment of brutal honesty could have deterred young Adolf from the horrible, icky stigma of "failed artist", and simultaneously prevented the worst pogrom in history.  I'm not saying that any of the amateur poets on this site are capable of genocide, but right there is a lesson to be learned.

Since childhood, I've had a very acute awareness of a deficiency in the realm of visual arts (I can't draw or paint worth a damn.)  Accordingly, I steer away from anything that would involve drawing or painting, to avoid creating a great big load of dog shit, for folks with actual "skills" to attack derisively.  Even if I picked up a brush right now, and donned a teeny-weeny black beret, my painting would still stink like a turd casserole, baked at 350.  Then why, pray tell, does everyone with basic typing skills fancy themselves to be Mr./Mrs. Poet Laureate, full of profound insight and primal, creative energy?

I picked at this sore before...........but still, the quagmire of shitty online poetry persists, like breeding in low-income housing.


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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 5:58:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just out of interest what do you personally consider good poetry?

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:13:42 AM   
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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:15:58 AM   
missturbation


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I think everyone has written bad poetry at some point - or is it just me?
Mr Otter can you write in air head please as i dont understand the big words u use lol.

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:19:07 AM   
mnottertail


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This motto should appeal
The steam that toots the whistle
Has never turned a wheel

Most of the mottoes
a purpose serves
a call to arise and go

but the above verse
gets on my nerves
for my supply of steam is low

(from Poetry of the Insane)

Author; a shell shocked veteran in Virginia (I believe)   

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:21:02 AM   
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Now u've well and truely lost this poor slave girl Mr Otter lol.

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:23:15 AM   
TreeFlower


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Status: offline 		"Basic typing skills" is a rather generous claim considering some of what I have seen.  Sometimes the bad poetry can be even better entertainment for the rest of us than the good stuff, especially when you can play a sort of Where's Waldo? with misspellings and grammatical errors. 

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:28:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		with respect not everyone has great spelling, grammar, punctuation skills. Should that stop them from posting? I often find those with bad English skills have the most interesting stuff to say. Its just snobbery to pick on peoples spelling etc.

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:31:15 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Cor!!!

You seem to be much happier of late, whatever was going wrong before seems to have somehow been cleared up.

Looking good, Miss!!!

Ron

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:34:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanq Ron, I'm back to my normal self - gobby little bint that i am. Good or bad i'll let others decide lol. Oh and if you think i look good in this pic well you should see some of my newer ones, all taken in the pitch black of course

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:37:36 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		I believe I've seen all your pictures, it doesn't get me any closer to owning such as you.

Nevertheless, I am still able to write bad online poetry, if the mood strikes.

Ron 

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:37:38 AM   
TreeFlower


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Status: offline 		I never said that they should not be allowed to post.  I am looking on the bright side and saying that there often can be some sort of fun found no matter how badly written something is.  It is like a hobby for me to edit things sometimes because it is a chance for me to test my own skills. 

Edit: I just fixed one of my own errors, an extra comma.

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:39:51 AM   
juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Everybody imagines that their inner core is shiny and everso meaningful on some level that transcends taking a dump.  People who write bad poetry are the only thing separating us from the apes.

Ron




Because everyone knows the apes write wonderful poetry

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:43:22 AM   
missturbation


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Status: offline 		I believe I've seen all your pictures, it doesn't get me any closer to owning such as you.
Have you been hacking into my pc? I'll bet you haven't seen em all
As for owning such as me you wouldn't want to - trust me lol.
 
I'll bet your poetry is all good.

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 6:57:26 AM   
mnottertail


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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 7:06:14 AM   
Nikolette


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank


I've always been of the mindset, that, had someone made a young Adolf Hitler privy to the fact that watercolors were not his strong suite - perhaps the young lad would have taken up a more profitable venture, like landscaping, or maybe even popular music. Given his penchant for Wagnerian opera, there's a chance that Hitler had some American Idol, Billboard Top 20 potential.

" Zees boot ver made for valking.
Un zat's just vut ze'll do."

Think about it for a minute or two, and let the good sense sink in. A moment of brutal honesty could have deterred young Adolf from the horrible, icky stigma of "failed artist", and simultaneously prevented the worst pogrom in history. I'm not saying that any of the amateur poets on this site are capable of genocide, but right there is a lesson to be learned.

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I have to tell you that you are in error here. One of the things that finished pushing little Adolf over the edge was his application to an art school getting rejected. Many members on the board were Jewish, and he never really let that go. It was definitely a turning point in his life.

~I~ often tell people that had his pathetic artwork been more kindly accepted he never would have turned to world domination to satiate his low self esteem. But alas he turned the pain of his rejection outward- and circumstances and a general feeling of antisemitism at the time all culminated in the "Final Solution" to the "Jewish Problem"



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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 9:35:09 AM   
TreSwank


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikolette

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank


I've always been of the mindset, that, had someone made a young Adolf Hitler privy to the fact that watercolors were not his strong suite - perhaps the young lad would have taken up a more profitable venture, like landscaping, or maybe even popular music. Given his penchant for Wagnerian opera, there's a chance that Hitler had some American Idol, Billboard Top 20 potential.

" Zees boot ver made for valking.
Un zat's just vut ze'll do."

Think about it for a minute or two, and let the good sense sink in. A moment of brutal honesty could have deterred young Adolf from the horrible, icky stigma of "failed artist", and simultaneously prevented the worst pogrom in history. I'm not saying that any of the amateur poets on this site are capable of genocide, but right there is a lesson to be learned.

Paid for by "The Shitty Online Poetry Extermination Society"



I have to tell you that you are in error here. One of the things that finished pushing little Adolf over the edge was his application to an art school getting rejected. Many members on the board were Jewish, and he never really let that go. It was definitely a turning point in his life.

~I~ often tell people that had his pathetic artwork been more kindly accepted he never would have turned to world domination to satiate his low self esteem. But alas he turned the pain of his rejection outward- and circumstances and a general feeling of antisemitism at the time all culminated in the "Final Solution" to the "Jewish Problem"




     What you're saying is kinda-sorta the same thing that I've been trying to put across, but if someone had told Hitler that his artwork sucked BEFORE he had developed his lofty aspirations, he might have been "Adof Hitler: Teen Heart-throb Vocalist" instead of a world renown asshole.

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 11:54:10 AM   
Kree


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Status: offline 		just some thoughts:

Not everyone has the talent to express their thoughts and feelings with the written word.  The fact that they have a problem expressing those thoughts and feelings does not make their thoughts and feelings less valuable or less meaningful.  I love writing poetry/prose and have things scattered all over the internet, but that doesnt make my writing more valuable that the writings of others.  When someone makes the effort to show a part of themself with the written word, look for the rainbow, not the rain and storm clouds.  Listen to their heart, not the thunder filling your ears.

A number of years ago on IRC we would invite speakers to present their ideas and thoughts to groups that would listen politely, then ask questions.  Often, we would have more than 100 people in a chat room "listening" to speakers like Gloria Brame or Polly Peachum.  There were so many people interested in poetry that we decided to do a poetry night.  We expected about an hour of people scrolling their writings into the chat room.  Instead, we had over 100 people enter the room and take turns offering their work.  After 4 hours, we finally called an end to the evening.  Yes, there was a difference in the quality of the writing skills.  Yes, there were those whose idea of punctuation and spelling was a distant thought.  In a room with over 100 people, there were comments made about the writings, but the comments looked for the good thoughts... the new ideas... the heartfelt sharing... not the negative.  We all learned something that evening from those who shared and about those who shared.  We all found things in the writings that made us think, question, and discuss what we had read.  How does that compare to threads we see here where people try to force their ideas on others, or knife each other in the back constantly?  What can be learned from the argumentative nature of threads that can not be learned by taking the time to read the writings of others?  Why do people commenting on threads feel they are the end all, be all on every question, when the real answer might be buried in the writings of someone who lacks the skills required to be heard?

How about spending the time to read through the writings of others instead of scanning them for errors?  You just might find hidden gems that can make you think, search for answers, or know where that person is coming from if the value in the content is examined, instead of the lack of skills involved.     

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 12:08:41 PM   
Nikolette


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Status: offline 		So you think if they told him sucked BEFORE he submitted his application and got rejected all would have been well? Like if in middle school he was gently let down he would have moved on to something different?

Interesting possibility, and pretty reasonable. I'm trying it in my next debate on the topic.

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RE: Bad Online Poetry 2: The Saga Continues - 10/2/2006 12:14:23 PM   
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if what it thinks is here or there
It tells me stories it invents
And makes up things that don't make sense.

I don't know why it does this stuff,
The real world seems quite weird enough.

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