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Devil has a bad press agent. - 10/2/2006 10:26:22 AM   
Mercnbeth


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A short post in another thread bears focus outside the OP.
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
a youth pastor that insisted Masons worshipped the devil in secret


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Rule: The pastor was correct.


No, this is not about defending the Masons or beth; both are more than capable of handling themselves. No, this is about the other injured party, the Devil. Satan, the Devil, or Beelzebub needs, as the Rolling Stones sang, some 'sympathy'.

For the purposes of this post I'll take the most right wing religious viewpoint. The Bible is not only a "holy" book, but historically accurate. It's the "word of God". Look at some of God's history, documented and a source of pride for religions throughout the world. Moslems, Christians, and Jews share as dogma, in some form what is commonly known in its many forms as the Bible. It covers Alpha to Omega; from creation in seven days, to the coming Armageddon. In between God shows himself.

At the very beginning God created this garden for his creation. All was great, nudity was okay, and fornication rampant encouraged by the words “be fruitful and multiply”. Only one thing was “forbidden” the “Tree of Knowledge”. Satan wanted the humans to gain knowledge. God’s penalty for knowledge – banishment from Eden.

Next, the humans get together to try to get back to Heaven. They attempt to build a tower to get there. Everyone is cooperating and working together to get back to God. As soon as they get close, God decides he better put a hurdle in the way of human accomplishment. One day at the worksite of the Tower of Babel all of a sudden it was the bar scene from Star Wars. From that day forward humans had trouble communicating with each other.

And so it goes throughout the Bible; Sodom and Gomorrah – God’s wrath. Not getting enough positive feedback; Noah needs to build an ark. After those wet times, humans somehow manage to polarize. One of Noah’s sons must have not been kosher, because in time we have the Egyptians and Pharaoh keeping “God’s people” in the “bondage of slavery”. No problem, with God on their side after six relatively minor plagues including flies, and frogs; God decides to send a few of his boys, his  “angels” to kill the first born of the repressive Egyptians. To interject current polities, the US is condemned when launching missile into an enemy camp during war that injures a woman or child. God deliberately killed babies. Crappy Dom – To you it must be obvious - God is Republican!

Up until we get to Armageddon, in the New Testament God mostly just takes out his wrath on his son. In the Mel Gibson documentary, complete with historical footage, it appears that God would have loved the Folsom Street Fair. However his son definitely could have used a “safe-word”.

So it goes. Throughout the Bible the person doing the killing and destruction is not the Devil, it is God. The Devil tempts, he tries to point out alternative methods, but there was no Devil behind any of the Biblical Cataclysm. It seems that God can’t compete with dialogue and debate. When confronted with city where the Devil’s influence resulted in a 24/7 party atmosphere did he try to move the people to good on the strength of his sprit? NOPE – easier to just tell his one friend, Lot, to pack up and leave and blow the place up. Meanwhile, Lot hears; “Sorry about your wife Lot. I told that bitch not to look back. Pass the salt and after dinner, go ahead and check out your hot daughters.”

The insurance and banking community provided proof of who we really have to watch out for. Policies exclude coverage for “acts of God”, “acts of the Devil” are not addressed. Why? Historically, the Devil hasn’t been active in the world wide calamity and destruction business. All over the world people are killing and enslaving people enforcing “God’s will”. Has any terrorist ever shouted; “Satan is GREAT!” as they crash a plane into a building?

Yet, all the good press goes to God. The baseball playoffs start tomorrow. When you watch, note they all cross themselves and point to heaven. Maybe they need to reflect on some historical perspective and soon we will see them pointing down.
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RE: Devil has a bad press agent. - 10/2/2006 10:43:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
However his son definitely could have used a “safe-word”.


It depends on the sensitivity of the master, but Jesus did supposedly say:

"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"
"My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

I might be an old softy, but that sounds like a plea for relief to me.


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RE: Devil has a bad press agent. - 10/2/2006 10:55:48 AM   
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An ex of mine was pretty close to Anton LaVey, they are not at all what people think they are.

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RE: Devil has a bad press agent. - 10/2/2006 11:11:27 AM   
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LaVey was mainly theater and philosophy. I doubt he actually believed in Satan.

What I always say is that it is religious folk that believe in Satan. My presumption is that they believe in God and Satan, both.

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RE: Devil has a bad press agent. - 10/2/2006 9:22:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang
LaVey was mainly theater and philosophy. I doubt he actually believed in Satan.
What I always say is that it is religious folk that believe in Satan. My presumption is that they believe in God and Satan, both.


Religions require Satan's existence to rationalize theirs.

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RE: Devil has a bad press agent. - 10/2/2006 9:32:07 PM   
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I find that I can concentrate more on sex when I don't think about God or the Devil.  Shrug.  It's like my attitude whenever I see two dumasses brawling.  Let'em fight.

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