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MistressUses -> Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 3:17:23 PM)

I am interested in hearing from Mistresses that have used different methods of BRAINWASHING to control their slave. I would like to find out more about it. Thanks.

(I have no idea why there is a vanilla cone next to my post!!!)



GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 3:26:50 PM)

Dangerous territory and not something I would recommend.
To each his own!  Best know what you are doing.  I use hypnosis on occasion to enhance something, or assist in creating productive habits, but I would never use the term "brainwashing".
The vanilla cone is there until you post more.  As your post count goes up, your icon will change.



MistressUses -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 6:24:42 PM)

Thank you for responding...is there anything you can tell me about hypnosis?



undergroundsea -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 6:34:12 PM)

If you care to comment, I am curious how this technique might be used. The context of my question is intellectual discourse rather than erotic fodder ;-)

Cheers,

Sea



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 8:56:35 PM)

personally i prefer the term *mental reprogramming* rather than brainwashing.

brainwashing carries such a negative connotation.

hypnotic suggestion, repetitive conditioning, subliminal reconditioning etc.. all work excellent for mental reprogramming.





EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 8:58:27 PM)

there are websites you can go to that may help you more.

do a search for *erotic hypnosis*. i thought i had some links but i recently lost them so i can't find them.

also, i will make an MP3 of my voice repeating a message (best to keep the message short).. and have them put it on a loop. my slaves have a different message to listen to before bed, during sleep, upon waking while they get dressed in the morning, different message for driving to work, a message for lunch break.. and finally a message when they drive home.

i find their sleeping MP3 is most effective.





dicipline2 -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 10:36:03 PM)

*frowns* I dont know...this seems to me crossing the line a bit.... I know I have recently began posting but this is some serious stuff.

I frown because this CAN be damaging to the psyche....

Isnt this a little far out there? I cant help but shake my head at this....

I also cant help but feel like....if this was a dom who did this to his female slave...HOLY S**T! he would be in jail!

This is crossing the line.... I am sorry thats the only way I can discribe this....



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 11:08:43 PM)

some people think pissing on a slave is crossing the line. some think shitting on a slave is crossing the line.. some feel face slapping is crossing the line. some feel abandonment or caging is crossing the line or bruises cross the line or blood crosses the line.

then you have people that enjoy doing these things or having it done to them. as long as something is consensual, between to adults, legal.. where does that line exist?

your line may not be my line or the next person's line. the line for one may not be the line for all. dogma and stigma in this lifestyle isn't productive. maybe it crosses your line, but you can't say it crosses the line, because who draws that line other than the two people engaging in that activity?




mantis65 -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/3/2006 11:49:01 PM)

I like the fantasy of brainwashing but like hypnosis I think would only work with a slave wanting to consent to it. You could probably condition a slave over time to think the way you want him to. What I would be afraid of is...Wouldn’t brainwashing make him dependent and expend a lot of energy just keeping him dependent on you?

With isolation and establishing dependence on you I am sure brainwashing is possible but in the end is it desirable?

I have never been brainwash so I couldn’t say but it sounds like it may enslave the Domme also



UtopianRanger -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 2:14:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressUses

I am interested in hearing from Mistresses that have used different methods of BRAINWASHING to control their slave. I would like to find out more about it. Thanks.

(I have no idea why there is a vanilla cone next to my post!!!)


  I don't like the term ''brainwashing'' either. Let me suggest a technique which is far more subtle. This is a fairly good read....and you can acquire used from ebay for as little as a dollar plus a few bucks shipping
http://www.amazon.com/NLP-Work-Difference-Makes-Business/dp/1857883020/sr=8-1/qid=1159952686/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-6440180-6545734?ie=UTF8&s=books
 
I've used some of the techniques mentioned with Dominant women in the past - It's very effective. [8|]


Good luck




 - R



undergroundsea -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 8:09:22 AM)

I am a proponent of RACK. However, sometimes I think RACK should be ERACK: ethical risk aware consensual kink ;-)

I think hypnosis, brainwashing and the like have greater ethics and risk considerations than the more common BDSM activities, and I can understand the concern about these techniques becoming commonplace without proper training of technique and related ethics. I do not know enough about these techniques to know if enough can be learned without going through a professional program. There are indeed people who diminish the value of a sub as a person and I think there is greater potential for abuse with these techniques.

I think hypnosis and brainwashing present interesting basis for fantasy where a means must be provided to justify the power exchange or obedience in order to make the fantasy seem more real. In a world where consensual and mutually sought D/s exists, I am curious to know how hypnosis and brainwashing might be used, which is what prompted my prior question.

Cheers,

Sea



MsKatHouston -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 8:19:04 AM)

I have an interest in hypnosis because I find the act itself fascinating.  I have done some research and Sea, I'll be happy to share some of that when I get to my other computer if you'd like.  I am not, however, in a place where I would feel comfortable messing with it unsupervised.

I do, however, find the interest in it sometimes at odds with my ideal in a submissive.  I want a submissive to submit to ME because he has a connection with me and wants to, not because he is hypnotized.  I can also see that if there is an agreement to that, he is choosing to do so so it gets to be a bit of a circular argument.  But I still feel a little hesitant.  Perhaps in a LTR I might be able to align the two into a happy medium occasionally if I found someone who was also interested in it.

I am also curious if there are dominants who do this, what the practical uses are.  For example,  what exactly are you hypnotizing for?  Is it specific to a particular act?  How often do you do it? 



undergroundsea -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 8:31:37 AM)

Reflecting upon making my post, I see some draw to hypnosis from each side of the slash. For those who enjoy a power imbalance and obedience, it could give a rush to either side to know there will be obedience and little resistance.

I have attended a demo about hypnosis and am drawn to it more for my interest in psychology and the brain. I would love to know more about it and thank you for your kind offer to share this information.

Cheers,

Sea



dicipline2 -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 8:49:32 AM)

I am just saying that all play should be bound by ethical and moral practices.

I dont find brainwashing, mutiliation, or abandonment ethical or moral practices and all parties( especially doms/dommes) should be bound by an ethical standard to not inflict any permenant harm either physically or emotionally.

I dont mean to sound condescending or self-righteous, only concerned for the welfare of anyone involved in BDSM.

Frankly, this kind of thing may be indicative of a deeper psychological problem. maybe not. Regardless, this is something that should be delved into with careful deliberation.

thanks....



MsKatHouston -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 8:57:54 AM)

I agree completely.  Both doms and subs...and vanilla people, should be bound by ethical and moral practices.  I could not agree with you more.  I also agree that delving into such has the potential for problem which is why it is important for the act itself to be consensual and for each party to trust one another.

I think there is room for a middle ground where Dom 1 and sub 1 want to do it, agree to boundaries and do it.  For me, that is ok.  Where it would get to be more of an issue for me would be if sub 1 had a hard limit and Dom 1 used hypnosis to break that limit without the knowledge or consent of sub 1. 

If, however, sub 1 wanted to try something and felt hypnosis may be a means of doing it and they both agree...more power to them.  I do not think this type of activity, as well as others, are to be done on day 1, without experience, or without trust. ymmv



gooddogbenji -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 8:58:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dicipline2

I am just saying that all play should be bound by ethical and moral practices.



And who defines ethics?  You?

Some people think assfucking is wrong.  Some think same sex marriage is wrong.  Some people think masochism is a serious mental disorder and people need to be cured of it.  Some people think consentual slavery is wrong.  Some people think eating any animal products is wrong.  Some people think technology is wrong.  Some people think that treating women as any more than chattel is wrong.  Some people think taxes are wrong.  Some people think this list could go on forever.  Some people are right with that assumption.

No matter what you're doing, someone out there thinks it is unethical.  Would you want them telling you you can't do it?  Probably not.  So who are you to tell someone else your moral compass is better than theirs?

I, personally, think it's wrong to think past your own prejudices, so I commend you on your ethics.

Yours,


benji



MsKatHouston -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 9:01:29 AM)

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And who defines ethics?  You?


I know this was not addressed to me but I have a thought about this.  Yes, to some extent each individual decides what is and is not ethical.  If in a relationship, what is ethical and moral play is what is ethical and moral as defined by those who are in it.

I also agree on your point that what is right for one will be horribly wrong for another.  We should not judge the ethics and morality of those who are participating in it but make judgments as to whether or not it would be ok for you to participate in it.



gooddogbenji -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 9:08:53 AM)

MsKat,

That I can agree with 100%.  No one should be in a relationship where they are forced to go against they're own ethics (Unless that's their kink, in which case, goferit)

However, much like going into a thread on watersports and telling people they are sick fucking motherfuckers for drinking pee, deciding hypnosis and such is wrong between consenting adults is what we should be trying to avoid.

And before anyone says anything, the whole idea scares me, but so do needles, knives, and roving bands of armed squirrels.

Yours,


benji



MisPandora -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 10:20:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressUses

Thank you for responding...is there anything you can tell me about hypnosis?

Why don't you just google "erotic hypnosis" then come back and tell us what YOU found.  Why not use resources that are already available?  Mistresses enjoy resourceful subjects.



MisPandora -> RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? (10/4/2006 10:22:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dicipline2
I also cant help but feel like....if this was a dom who did this to his female slave...HOLY S**T! he would be in jail!

Help me understand how this is criminal?  What state or federal law prohibits hypnosis, planting triggers or conditioning the mind?



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