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Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 7:58:51 PM

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This girl has had this conversation in these types of forums, and having been away for a few days....ahhhhhh the bliss of a returning Master....hehhehehehe...she comes to the forum a day late and a dollar short for what seems to have been some good tit for tat...although it never really got anywhere conversation or rhetoric wise...before deterioriating, as is so often the case.

So...Needs, wants, desires....often these words come up in TPE and D/s dynamics, over the course of this girl's service she has learned to accept and appreciate very clear cut definitions for what is a basic human need...or sustenance, and what is a slaves desire or want.

nella brought up the idea that a slave in her opinion should be allowed personal endeavors, that these to her are needs for her to exist. To this girl this really says nothing more than a stage to which she has developed in her submission...and she has seen it many times over that what a girl thought were basic human "needs" last year...well a year later in her submission she may come to realize they were just...desires...trivial pursuits etc.

What this girl will say is she doesn't like the insinuation always made in these arguments that servants or slaves are by nature mindless drones or robots...which is so far from the case...and it is insulting to any Master worth their salt...in this girl's limited opinion: Any one with brute force can rule a mindless idiot...Master certainly did not hand pick me to be a robot or a drone...and to think that He did, or that any Owner does so shows a lack of understanding of service oriented relationships to begin with.

Altruistic service, nella, which is service that puts the Master before the self...doesn't make one brain dead or void of personality. This girl is still a human being with a wicked sense of humor, who hums about the day...and ponders any myriad of current events in her little pea slave robot brain...lmao

This girl needs limited amounts of food, she needs oxygen, and limited amounts of sleep and water. There is a certain bliss in learning how little one truly needs...the simplest of things become sheer joy...and in todays world we already take too much for granted.

This girl senses some are afraid of submitting as if they will lose their very soul.....when truly self deprivation and altruistic service have been means employed by monks et all for eons in the suit of higher self.

In the immortal words of Master Yoda..."Fear leads to Anger, anger leads to Hate and hate leads to Suffering".

And this is truly why these topics always deteriorate into frenzied panic on the side of some girls...fear of becoming what they are....and also the fear of some trying to be Masters the fear of realizing they aren't what they thought they were.

Be well E/everyone....

sabrina King

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 8:23:16 PM

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 8:28:56 PM

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Weither a person was my sub or slave I'd never tell them who to vote for. I'd tell them to vote but not who to vote for. As for religion, I'd do a 50/50 deal with going to events. Thanks for your post bottominwa for it's good and to the point. And please keep us informed of you husband for I thank him for his service for our country.

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 8:33:17 PM

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Thank You, and the girl posted in the Off Topic a few days ago Master is HOME and well and currently in the shower..lmao.
Voting...the girl must vote, but Master also allows her to choose. Religion...the girl may have any philosophical brain farts she wants..but when raising Master's children and in their presence she must stick to the house code of moral high ground atheism.

see good discussion can be had....lol

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 8:45:29 PM

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quote:

What this girl will say is she doesn't like the insinuation always made in these arguments that servants or slaves are by nature mindless drones or robots...which is so far from the case...and it is insulting to any Master worth their salt...in this girl's limited opinion: Any one with brute force can rule a mindless idiot...Master certainly did not hand pick me to be a robot or a drone...and to think that He did, or that any Owner does so shows a lack of understanding of service oriented relationships to begin with.

Can I get an Amen??? Clearly, sabrina, you understand the concept of Power Exchange.

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 9:06:48 PM

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Indeed..."Power" exchange funny how that works, eh...if this girl were this mindless doormat of a personalityless Stepford drone...exactly where would be this fantabulous "Power" her Master was harnessing for Him self?

If the boy wants a remote control toy he can go to Radio Shack.....people who fail to get this simplistic beginning of TPE 101....couldn't possibly in this millenia hope to get further down the road into the realm of real M/s.

This girl is not a pet, she is not a robot.

This whole thread makes her feel like Frankenstein.....

"i am not an animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 10:23:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bottominwa

she has learned to accept and appreciate very clear cut definitions for what is a basic human need...or sustenance, and what is a slaves desire or want.
nella brought up the idea that a slave in her opinion should be allowed personal endeavors, that these to her are needs for her to exist.

What this girl will say is she doesn't like the insinuation always made in these arguments that servants or slaves are by nature mindless drones Master certainly did not hand pick me to be a robot or a drone...and to think that He did, or that any Owner does so shows a lack of understanding of service oriented relationships to begin with.

Altruistic service, nella, which is service that puts the Master before the self...doesn't make one brain dead or void of personality. This girl is still a human being with a wicked sense of humor, who hums about the day...

This girl needs limited amounts of food, she needs oxygen, and limited amounts of sleep and water. There is a certain bliss in learning how little one truly needs...the simplest of things become sheer joy...and in todays world we already take too much for granted.

This girl senses some are afraid of submitting as if they will lose their very soul.....when truly self deprivation and altruistic service have been means employed by monks et all for eons in the suit of higher self.
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Very Well said... I think you're brilliant, and your Master is a very lucky man. I wish you both a long/happy coexistence. M

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/19/2005 10:57:00 PM

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Greetings,

I must say that was very well said. Sounds like what many Goreans believe as well as what J. Mikael Togneri called Absoloute D/s. His essays on the subject are located here:

http://www.leathernroses.com/mikael/mikaelindex.htm

Very well written and stated. bottominwa tell your Master that I salute His dedication and courage (from an Army vet).

Just My two tarn bits,

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/20/2005 11:37:16 AM

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I would like to thank you for your eloquent post, sabrina. Being of optimistic bent sometimes bordering on the quixotic, I continue to hope that someone, someday, will phrase it in such a way as to end the infernal word warping once and for all. If today is not that day, it is not due to a lack of clarity in your words. Brilliantly worded, you are a wonderful reflection on your master.
Best wishes,
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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/20/2005 1:00:30 PM

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Well said. But I find it discouraging that this must be said over and over again.

A Master who actually is seeks his match,not his inferior.

He isn't much of one if he settles for less than that.

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/20/2005 1:10:56 PM

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Very good post Sabrina and I am so glad your Master is home!!!

I understand what you are saying and you are right that time for yourself is not a need but a desire. If I understood you correctly (forgive me if I didn't) you forego your own desires? Do you have hobbies? I'm just curious. You said you are not a robot and I believe that--you are too well-spoken.

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/21/2005 8:42:07 AM

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Desires...this is a double pronged answer, but it will begin this way...First of all, Master is of the belief that a girl worth having, and one who can serve in the capacity He requires, in His house....must have a base mentality atleast equal to His own, because He will leave her in His stead on numerous occassions as He deploys and legally she has acted as His agent in a myriad of legal transactions and property transactions. He also believes that all that makes this girl what she is belongs to Him. Which makes her a more valuable possession. The girl paints, she sings, she teaches tribal belly dance, she teaches judo and she writes theatrical works and grants for a NW company.
Master has benefited greatly from the human being this girl is, and He has cultivated her natural talents to His use. she has been employed to run FRG groups, she was the mayor of their 300 unit housing area for two years etc all things that further her Master's career and standing.
her creative talents have been put to use creating a home environment that otherwise We could not afford, We eat above Our status because He taught her to learn and love to cook everything, even baked goods. Our home is above Our status because her creative juices flow here, etc.
So Secondly, this brings her to what is often what she has found to be the reality in most full time long term D/s relationships, Our existence has become somewhat symbiotic...the best of who this girl was "naturally" has just been cultivated to meet His needs. It makes His life easier and it allows for Him to focus on the pursuit of His and thereby "Our" destiny as a family.

So in a nutshell, this girl's basic desires still exist they just are manifesting differently. Where once she did summerstock, painted sets, and was a real estate broker: now she manages military families, aspires to be a good homemaker and cullinary artist. Nothing of the core of who this girl is has changed, if anything it has flourished....Happiness does that.

As for this girl's brilliance...well "W/we each as are all things Divinity Manifest"...it is only because she is loved and cared for and polished ever so well that perhaps she shines brighter this one day then some others.

In the words of the song "He is the truth said He is so real and i love the way that He makes me feel...and if i am a reflection of Him, then i must be fly because His light is shines so bright"

And that is all she ever wants just to be a good reflection of a life she loves...a Gorean life, here on Earth.

she apologizes for the tardiness of her response, but she is finding little time to come online now...busy busy bee.

And thank You for the link ShadowKnight she will look to it eventually right now she has to go make meatballs.

Be well,

sabrina King

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/21/2005 2:33:58 PM

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ShadowKnight-
This girl read the essays You had linked to..interesting reading, and although much, but not all of what He had to say is similar to this House it is still distinctly different in some ways...as it should be...as the author Himself states in His last essay nothing is "absolute" everything is endlessly changing in a chaotic universe. And Houses differ in everything from little quinky dinks to huge philosophical quandaries....knowing this, as she does now in her old age..lol..she enjoys reading others perspectives, but they rarely change who she is or why she is, just offer colorful reading material and sometimes inward thought....much of what He has to say in the essay on waiting for the One seems to be His personal preferences and not really any generalized dogma of any sort....but all in all He seems to be very like minded with Master to an extent. Master although being of the aforementioned in the essays "false" mindset of natural Order Dominants according to the author...lol. And this girl has been trained to tell E/everyone to "be well" lol....but the House most definitely agrees with His attitude toward physical health and shape as mandatory requirements for kajira/slaves...an opinion that ofcourse causes rampant debate on these boards...anyhoo ha, she has never heard of this person before but His essays were well written and not so far off from how We live for sure.

Timothy-

Thank You for the kudos and the girl has extended such to Master....now busy playing Vice City.....We especially liked Your profile, honest and straight forward and You have a certain "buddha"ness to Your countenance....she thinks You will find what You seek at collarme all too soon. Happy Hunting!

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RE: Needs, wants, desires - 1/21/2005 5:55:01 PM

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*chuckles
greetings bottominwa,

I did say there were some things that I would have wanted to debate with Him. But they are good for giving someone an idea of what a M/s or Absolute D/s relationship is about. I do not think there is anyone who has an exact handle on how I am about a M/s relationship other than Myself. But to read how others think about it offers one the chance to reinspect their thoughts and perhaps learn something new, perhaps even evolving.

Just My two tarn bits,

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