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some advice ? - 10/3/2006 10:38:37 PM   
mslave2bcollared


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Status: offline 		i was told something and i would like to get some insight on it....

How true is this?


a Master: as a slave you would not be a person any more.
me: well i think You are wrong
me: becuz a person has feelings
me: they are human
a Master: a person does property doesn't


Please S/someone help me out here... to me he is looking for a doormat... Am i right or wrong? 
 Is this the way that all Masters and Mistresses looks at a slave??
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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 12:13:31 AM   
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Please S/someone help me out here... to me he is looking for a doormat... Am i right or wrong? 
Is this the way that all Masters and Mistresses looks at a slave??
I hate the word doormat!
Aside from that, I think you know it isn't true, because you say you are a slave, and a you are a thinking/feeling human being.  As to how you get treated that is up to you to communicate with your potential owner and decide if he/she is someone you can trust to treat you like a human being.
I've been incompatible with slaves who've wanted me to treat them like property and not relate to them as men I car for/about; so I'm sure the person you spoke to is looking for the person who spoke to me. *Just a case of different strokes*   M

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 3:58:38 AM   
mons


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yes this in true mainly in the Gorean group yes you do have a new name and also you will learn how they live, now for master here it more relaxed you do need to ask this question if you lookinf for a master or mistress? take care

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 4:57:04 AM   
Zinja2007


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Status: offline 		I think you're taking the "worthless" or "you're worth nothing in my eyes" too literally.  It's part of the BDSM lingo honey and does NOT mean you're nothing in vanilla life.  But within the realm of BDSM play, some subs or slaves like to feel 100% COMPLETELY INFERIOR TO THEIR MASTER and get off on being told just that.   We all know they are worthy and are valuable humans beings though.....

It's just play lingo.

Most men subs like this sort of humiliation play a lot more than women who, in vanilla life, get enough of it as it were.

Some subs are not into being told they belong as the bottom of a Master/Mistress's feet - they sort of like to be a valued prized "pet" and some like a combination.  

The many faces of the scene.....

I hope this makes sense.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 5:06:23 AM   
DivaDuchess


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Status: offline 		Hmmm ... sometimes you will run across a 'newbie' Dom who hasn't a clue what is real and what is not.  Now, yes in the Gorean traditions, you would be ... nothing.  However, for this Domme, my slaves have all been very human.  It's the communication during 'consideration' that makes the relationship and builds the dynamic.  If this Dom can't treat you like a human being BEFORE consideration is complete ... walk away and look elsewhere.

The slaves in our home are 24/7 service, there is no vanilla.  They have specific duties/chores each day and also serve in a physical manner in the evenings.  If I have vanilla friends over, they simply wear a different style of attitude about them.  For instance, that's one of the few times, they don't eat while sitting on the floor.  They may sit at the table ... after they serve the food of course.  In the vanilla situations in our home ... you can compare the slave to perhaps a 24/7 maid, both domestic and physical.




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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 6:18:51 AM   
Zinja2007


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Status: offline 		I wouldnt be so hasty to infer her Dom is a clueless "newbie"  just becuz his style of play differs from yours.   He may value and respect slaves just like you but simply tends to lean towards the opposite end when engaging in play.

I agree with you very much that  communication makes an even better Dom but I wouldn't lump sum someone's total being as "clueless" and blind to reality just becuz they  are a lil ignorant in the area of communication.   He may be quite keen in other areas but just needs to learn that certain subs may not be receptive to his style of play and he needs to have an open exchange before beginning to play.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 7:37:52 AM   
undergroundsea


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Status: offline 		This post is addressed to the OP:

Regardless of whether that person is enlightened about BDSM or not, I think you two have incompatible philosophies. I think your position is fair and likely the one you will encounter more frequently across the BDSM population--you are not wrong or alone for feeling as you do.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 7:57:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mslave2bcollared

i was told something and i would like to get some insight on it....

How true is this?


a Master: as a slave you would not be a person any more.
me: well i think You are wrong
me: becuz a person has feelings
me: they are human
a Master: a person does property doesn't


Please S/someone help me out here... to me he is looking for a doormat... Am i right or wrong?
Is this the way that all Masters and Mistresses looks at a slave??



This is a fantasy view that doesn't even exist in historical or institutional slavery where slaves were bought and sold almost like property. I say "almost" for a reason. Even in those societies there were legal and social distinctions between a slave and a pot or a dog or a hat.

This fantasy view is less valuable in a world where consent by both parties is required.

Frankly someone with this view is something I wouldn't want to have anything to do with because either they are looking to break someone's will and potentially be abusive or they just won't be able to deal with the day to day reality of life.

Fox is my slave, Fox is my property, but above all of this he is a wonderful man and an amazing human being.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 8:20:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some Masters see slaves a property, to do with as they wish, under any circumstance. There are slaves who agree and thus they do not expect any desire to be met or emotion to be responded to.

Some Masters see slaves as humans, to do with as they wish, under certain circumstances. There are slaves who agree and thus they expect wants and needs to be met and emotions to be important

You simply need to look for someone who agrees with what you believe.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 8:30:31 AM   
wild1cfl


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Status: offline 		Yes there are people out there who think of other that slaves are nothing more than property wiht no concern for the slaves emotions or needs,  it is there opinion and there way of thinking about slavery. This does not mean it is wrong or right, it is just their way of thinking about slavery. Should your opinion of slavery differ and you and the person you are communicating with cannot come to a compromise in negotiation or you feel that your needs and desires will not be met by this person, then you need to find someone who does feel the same way as you do. Over 30 years of M/s relationships in real life I have found slaves or submissives who feel similiar about their role as I do and I have found many that are different in their thinking than I do, it is all a matter of looking in the right direction and finding people who have simliar views about what it is that you want.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 8:53:00 AM   
MsKatHouston


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Status: offline 		No this is not the way all dominants feel.  It is, however, the way some do.

The important thing for you to do is to learn independently and figure out what you want and what is and is not acceptable to you.  When you are sound in your, at least initial, ideals in a partner(s), then find those who fit within your criteria. 

If you are unsure yet of what it is you want, perhaps some time finding it before jumping into a relationship with anyone is advisable.  If you are talking with someone and something does not sit well with you, listen to that.  More issues than I can count would be avoided if the person had listened to their instincts.  Trust it.

You have a brain, you have feelings.  If those are things you want considered in a relationship, only deal with those who have consideration of them.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 10:19:05 AM   
MisPandora


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quote:

ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

This post is addressed to the OP:

Regardless of whether that person is enlightened about BDSM or not, I think you two have incompatible philosophies. I think your position is fair and likely the one you will encounter more frequently across the BDSM population--you are not wrong or alone for feeling as you do.

Cheers,

Sea

Thank you!  There are some dominants who believe that slaves are property, period.  Whether or not he's "enlightened" or "clueless" is not the point.  You clearly are not a match for one another based on your separate thought processes.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 10:04:44 PM   
mslave2bcollared


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Status: offline 		Thank Y/you all  for the advice. i thought i was right, but i just wanted to make sure.
Thanks again.

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RE: some advice ? - 10/4/2006 10:35:10 PM   
MistressSassy66


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Status: offline 		No not all Masters or Mistresses think that way.

But that doesnt mean His way is wrong.Its just not for you.

I do look at slave bishop as being My property,meaning shes not available
to anyone else.
she is still a human being,but shes MY human being.
she does have a say in things and is smart enough to make decisions for herself so I dont see her as property I own, in the same way as I own My car or house.


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RE: some advice ? - 10/5/2006 3:36:16 AM   
ShiftedJewel


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Some Masters see slaves a property, to do with as they wish, under any circumstance.


I see twicehappy as property. Very valuable, irreplaceable and priceless property. I also see her feelings, opinions, ideas, suggestions, needs, wants, desires, hopes and dreams as equally valuable. The two mindsets can go hand in hand and work well. But I couldn't own someone that doesn't see themselves "human". Hell, I don't even have a doormat for my porch.
 
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