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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 6:42:47 AM

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There was a lady out here in California who started a church several years ago that I was considering joining. She calimed to be the goddess Issis* and basically all you had to do was give her all your money and eat her pussy. This I thought would be a little more fun than giving her all my money and eating crackers and grape juice. Before I could get registered as a supllicant the cops arrested her and charged her with prostitution... so much for freedom of religion.
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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 6:57:32 AM

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I have an intense distaste for every organized religion I have been exposed to thusfar.

For Ron,

THBBBBBBBBBTTTT!!!!!! better?

double and triple ditto

and i've never been apart of a congregation. Just thrown out of a catholic school and off and once or twice to a church thing with my da's family

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 11:10:08 AM

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I am willing to believe that a certain kind of god is clearly not part of our reality. But the assertion that any god is impossible is irrational non-belief. Agnosticism is the only rational position to maintain. And in that regard, I could be considered aggressively agnostic.

I agree completely.

I'll add that my personal view is it is not important. We need to take care of the things we can influence rather than devote time to a non specific deity.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 12:59:52 PM

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Aye, leave it to an atheist to know Christian theology like the back of his (non-intelligently designed) hand. Christian theology is very beautiful; it's just not true.

Many of y'all who think I'm just a religion basher don't realize how many years I've spent studying it seriously. I'm a lapsed seminarian, and in the old days I probably would have ended up as a bishop or something.

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One of the basic theological points of Methodism is that going to Church has nothing to do with going to Heaven.

Exactly!!!!

Lam, i certaintly picture You in a Bishop's Mitre and vestments. It surprises me not a whit that You were once a seminarian, and am proud to have such a witty, intelligent, eclectic friend.

Being a Catholic and schooled partially before 1969, i have never read the bible in its entirety. i knew the Catechism, the Missal, the Hymn Books, etc. i could say the rosary, the Stations of the Cross and a Novena. Nowadays i have mostly forgotten/abandoned such practices, but i still attend Mass, go to Confession and say my prayers.

As i have said, various forces have led me to consider converting to Judaism. i feel i will always be more fulfilled and happier if i attend worship services and elsewise participate in some recognised religion.

By no means do i intend to insinuate that any Humanist or Atheist or Deist is inferior, wrong-headed, or any other negative thing. i respect E/everyone's right to believe (or not) as T/they choose. What i am struggling with is the unkind remarks (e.g., delusional) of some posters towards recognised religions and, by implication, their practitioners. i don't feel my beliefs pose a threat to A/anyone else's belief system....so i'm a bit confused why mutual respect is not the theme here.

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P.S. i have no idea why my post appears inside a quote, nor can i seem to fix it. Sorry.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 1:08:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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I am willing to believe that a certain kind of god is clearly not part of our reality. But the assertion that any god is impossible is irrational non-belief. Agnosticism is the only rational position to maintain. And in that regard, I could be considered aggressively agnostic.

I agree completely.

I'll add that my personal view is it is not important. We need to take care of the things we can influence rather than devote time to a non specific deity.

Gentlemen, my point is that there is no single, provable, belief system that satisfies the wants/needs/desires/beliefs of E/everone. There is diversity...and there should be mutual respect.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 1:37:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: pinkee

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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I am willing to believe that a certain kind of god is clearly not part of our reality. But the assertion that any god is impossible is irrational non-belief. Agnosticism is the only rational position to maintain. And in that regard, I could be considered aggressively agnostic.

I agree completely.

I'll add that my personal view is it is not important. We need to take care of the things we can influence rather than devote time to a non specific deity.

Gentlemen, my point is that there is no single, provable, belief system that satisfies the wants/needs/desires/beliefs of E/everone. There is diversity...and there should be mutual respect.

pinkee

I agree within limits. If it's harmless then whatever the belief system it is worthy of respect. I was simply putting my opinion up but I can understand others don't see things in the same light.

In a nutshell, religious extremism is not acceptable be it Christian or Islamic due to the conflict both cause. Outside of this, to each their own.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 1:43:28 PM

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I am willing to believe that a certain kind of god is clearly not part of our reality. But the assertion that any god is impossible is irrational non-belief. Agnosticism is the only rational position to maintain. And in that regard, I could be considered aggressively agnostic.

I agree completely.

I'll add that my personal view is it is not important. We need to take care of the things we can influence rather than devote time to a non specific deity.

While I can agree that agnosticism is the only rational position to take on philosophical grounds, until some omnipotent god turns up and owns up to creating this fucked up world contrary to the necessity (since he is omnipotent if he exists) of it being fucked up, I can't bring myself to even believe in the possibility of a omnipotent god that is worth worshipping (or any other type of god). Let's just get on and deal with the business at hand.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 2:23:15 PM

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I am willing to believe that a certain kind of god is clearly not part of our reality. But the assertion that any god is impossible is irrational non-belief. Agnosticism is the only rational position to maintain. And in that regard, I could be considered aggressively agnostic.

I agree completely.

I'll add that my personal view is it is not important. We need to take care of the things we can influence rather than devote time to a non specific deity.

While I can agree that agnosticism is the only rational position to take on philosophical grounds, until some omnipotent god turns up and owns up to creating this fucked up world contrary to the necessity (since he is omnipotent if he exists) of it being fucked up, I can't bring myself to even believe in the possibility of a omnipotent god that is worth worshipping (or any other type of god). Let's just get on and deal with the business at hand.

i completely agree that Your position is correct -- for You. As for me, the "business at hand" involves my whole life, including my spiritual life. After all, Sir, i did not post the Op, which plainly solicits members' opinions on organised religions.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/7/2006 4:59:00 PM

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i am at odds with many tenets of the Catholic Catechism, not to mention horrified by some of the Church's conduct. i am considering converting to Judaism, but need to study up on it a bit more.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/8/2006 2:44:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: pinkee

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I am willing to believe that a certain kind of god is clearly not part of our reality. But the assertion that any god is impossible is irrational non-belief. Agnosticism is the only rational position to maintain. And in that regard, I could be considered aggressively agnostic.

I agree completely.

I'll add that my personal view is it is not important. We need to take care of the things we can influence rather than devote time to a non specific deity.

While I can agree that agnosticism is the only rational position to take on philosophical grounds, until some omnipotent god turns up and owns up to creating this fucked up world contrary to the necessity (since he is omnipotent if he exists) of it being fucked up, I can't bring myself to even believe in the possibility of a omnipotent god that is worth worshipping (or any other type of god). Let's just get on and deal with the business at hand.

i completely agree that Your position is correct -- for You. As for me, the "business at hand" involves my whole life, including my spiritual life. After all, Sir, i did not post the Op, which plainly solicits members' opinions on organised religions.

pinkee

Fair comment.

I think the issue most people have with religion is organised religion because of the form it has taken in the past and present. In this country, both the head of the Muslim Council of Britain and the Church of England have recently discriminated on the grounds of sexual persuasion. In my opinion, on this particular subject, they have a warped a view of the world which is dangerous because of the position they hold in society.

A person's personal religious relationship with God is completely different and, although it is not something I go in for, I can understand the reasoning of those who do.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/8/2006 8:40:25 AM

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Fast Reply -
On the flip side to the OPs post:
I also am a Methodist, and was previously a Presb. In both cases, I attend church in my jeans and a sweater in the winter, shorts and a tee or tank in the summer. I go to church quite frequently. I am not alone < in my attire>, many others do as well. Occasionally I attend Catholic church with my best friend, I do not change my clothing choices for that either and have had no issues. The Priest has always been welcoming and inclusive. My church, along with several others in the community have what we call a " working man's pantry ", where peope with low incomes can come every week and get supplimental food to help keep their grocery bill down. These lower income people also attend church, as do quite a few homeless people. I never hear a whisper about it and have found the congregation and Ministers very friendly and inclusive of any and all who attend my particular church.
We have one homeless person who attends weekly who is a bit " simple" also. She can be very inappropriate in church. As far as * I * can see no one cares nor tells her to hush when she speaks out during the service inappropriately. Often times the Minister just stops talking and lets her talk a few minutes, thanx her and returns to business.

As I have often said on this board, my own religious beliefs are about my personal relationship with my God. I go to church to enhance my own closeness to God. I am not there to check out the flock. It's something I do for me, not to get " extra credit" on my God card.

I am sure there are people who belong to my church who are similar to the OPs little gossip hounds, but I guess I don't care that much. Who ever they may be are accountable to God for how they live and how they treat humanity.

It's interesting that the two women the OP overheard talking said they were shocked the minister allowed the homeless people in the church. From my POV that supports the churches inclusiveness. I think I might be outraged if the women had said the minister was making them leave. Maybe they need to find a nice neat little church in Shangra La.

There are hypocrites and mean people in every organized everything, not just religion. If I abandond my belief system or stopped doing things or going places based on hypocrit attendance, I would never leave my living room.

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RE: Thoughts On Organized Religion. - 10/8/2006 2:09:28 PM

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Thank You, NorthernGent. As mbmn points out in her post, any gathering of people will inevitably include some who are hypocritical or have other undesirable traits.

i am on record, both in this forum and in real life, as being extremely critical of the stream of abuses of power by the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church, past, present and planned.

Nonetheless, it is a source of contentment and peace of mind for me to worship regularly. i was just a bit nettled by some of the comments on this thread, implying or stating that adherents to organised religions are somehow "lesser".

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