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What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 3:49:16 PM

popeye1250

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This should be fun!
As everyone knows, the U.S. govt. since 1945 has gotten itself involved in a lot more things in this country than it was involved in before.
What do you think the Federal govt. shouldn't be involved in or doing?
I say 1. They shouldn't be involved in Education.
2. They shouldn't be giving our tax dollars to foreign countries. ("Foreign Aid")
What say you?

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 4:40:24 PM

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O, he he, i just love this topic. i would extinguish several federal agencies, such as HUD, DEA, and the Attorney General's Office. i would fire everyone at INS, FBI, SEC, and FEMA, and hire P/pl from the private sector, limiting each agency to no more than 100 employees, including any senior members. i would pass a constitutional amendment that the Code of Federal Regulations could be no more than -- o, say -- 1,000 pages long, written in 12 point type, with 1 in margins. That way, if the feds want a new regulation, they would have to first delete an existing one. The IRS would cease to exist! Lmao.

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 4:47:42 PM

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Skip the income tax on individuals, go straight to fed sales tax. Buh-bye IRS!

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 4:47:47 PM

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Pinkee! Great ideas!

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 4:49:19 PM

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Chaingang, I like it!!!

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 4:56:24 PM

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They should not be involved in marriages.

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 4:59:20 PM

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Kenin, I don't think they are involved in marriages.
Isn't it the States that regulate marriages?

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 5:09:40 PM

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Is it the States down there? It is the Federal Government up here that regulates marriages. Let me check something.

EDIT: Oh, I see what you are getting at.. What I meant was the federal government getting involved with the homosexual marriage issue which was, if I recall, a Bush promise. On the same token, I do not think the States should be regulating marriage either... So I will put My vote in for both.

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 6:37:30 PM

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I honestly think the list would be a whole lot shorter stating what the Federal Government should do.

Here's my "New Deal" plan for good government:

1) Abolish the privately-owned Federal Reserve, and it's debt-based currency. Issue government's own, US Treasury Notes, interest-free currency that it carefully spends into the economy on federal infrastructure and defense; and also lent to commercial banks at nominal interest rates, as needed to keep inflation and deflation at 0%.

2) Abolish the 16th Amendment. Individual earnings of citizens made within our borders no longer subject to Federal Taxes.

3) Abolish the IRS, and all it's prior tax-codes. Set up new tax agency, taxing citizens' earnings outside our borders, or non-citizen's earnings within our borders.

Tax domestic corporations and citizens conducting business domestically nothing for the first 3 years. (No deductions, forward tax breaks, or other corporate welfare either.) Then tax 1.5% of earnings for each additional year in business up to a max of 15%. Limit tax deductions to documented and audited expenses only. Non-dividend compensation paid to top 10% of all employees not deductable to corporation as an expense. Stock options eliminated. Corporations earning profits or using labor/service outside our borders will be taxed at a higher rate. Severe penalties for non-compliance to all of the above.

4) Apologize to the world for the vast meddling and various economic wars we have burdened them with, and withdraw all such programs immediately. Yes, the prices of scarce commodities may increase, but you will have more money to pay for them.

5) Abolish the United Nations, or at least withdraw from them and have them headquarter elsewhere.

6) Phase-out Social Security. New workers in the work-force are out of SS. Prior 30 years of workers can option out or stay in on graduated scale. Older workers are still in.

7) Indoctrinate citizens to save and fend for themselves, which will be a lot easier for them to do with no fed taxes or inflation!

7) Build a world-class military with top pay and benefits, and use them to help strengthen our borders during peacetime.

8) The medical community has an option to be be taxed as salaried individuals, and not as a business or corporation, if they adhere to charging all medical fees based on all patients' verified income, and all patients have option to pay "catastrophic" fees over time, interest-free. Schedule set by government. Lump-sum mal-practice suits eliminated. Liable only for medical expenses occurred as a result of mal-practice, plus loss of income at 85%, paid on a monthly basis. Since inflation no longer exists, some doctors may opt out of purchasing mal-practice insurance... keeping down costs even further.

9) Reduce the size of government by at least 2% each year for the next 10 years, then review this plan.

10) Abolish all lobbyists. Congress is no longer for sale!

Okay, now I just whipped this all together in a flash, so don't be too hard on me...

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 7:12:19 PM

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Subfever, I liked a lot of those ideas too!
Especially about the Lobbyists! That really should be outlawed!
Talk about Corruption!

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 7:19:53 PM

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Subfever, I liked a lot of those ideas too!
Especially about the Lobbyists! That really should be outlawed!
Talk about Corruption!

Glad you liked 'em. So... do I have your nomination for President under the Independent ticket? ...

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 7:23:42 PM

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Popeye plays "Pomp and Circumstances."

Sub, if both Repubs and Democrats don't like it you* know * it's the right thing to do.

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 8:26:08 PM

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Popeye plays "Pomp and Circumstances."

Oh shit... does this mean I've gotta go out and buy a suit?

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Sub, if both Repubs and Democrats don't like it you* know * it's the right thing to do.

Well... if they both don't like it, it's a safe bet that we're probably at least on the right track...

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 8:30:51 PM

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subfever...way to go! i both disagree and agree with the items you have planned to improve the federal government, but your post was a delight to read.

pinkee

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 8:51:07 PM

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I say they shouldn't be INVADING foreign countries.

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2. They shouldn't be giving our tax dollars to foreign countries. ("Foreign Aid")

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 9:01:02 PM

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1. I would abolish OSHA. This would allow the employee to go after his employer and the unions to go back negotiating for the safety of their employees (one of the things unions were organized to do).

2. I would abolish the EPA. This would allow the special interests to go ahead and just sue the government and business and not rely upon third parties to do it for them. Besides I see the EPA as full time employement for lawyers as it is.

3. I would reorganize the Treasury Dept.   Abolish the IRS and just go to a flat tax.   Mandate that taxes be spent only on federal projects and stop federal monies going to states and foreign governments and grants.

4. I would abolish the Homeland Security Dept. I would put military boots on the ground at our borders supported by the militia of the state on the border.   I would put the Coast Guard back in the Navy.

5. I would strengthen the boots on the ground on our borders and provide them with much better training and equipment than is available now.

6. I would establish term limits for all elected positions while cutting their pay to a living stipend only. I believe this would cut down on the power held by the politicians. I would eliminate lobbyists and all political contributions and budget an equal amount of money for each politician to spend that is seeking office. PACs etc would be reqired to contribute to the general pot and ot a specific candidate.   Eliminate tax deductions for political contributions.

7. I would reorganize the Transportation Dept to only handle federal highways, airways and inland waterways.   Eliminate the state from the equation so that highway monies would only be spent on federal highways. Federal highways are designated supply routes for the military not commuter roads.   Lets fix them up appropriately. the states can take care of their roads.

8. I would study the effectiveness of the French Foreign Legion and determine if a similar army would benefit the US in its foreign interests.

9. I would make all federal judges lifetime appointments with promotion possibilities, such as promoting a magistrate to a district judgeship to appealet to Supreme Court.   All judges would have to start out as magistrate judges and work their way up.

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 10:18:20 PM

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1) ...Issue government's own, US Treasury Notes...

Article I, Section 10 money as Roger Sherman wanted. Any kind of paper money has enormous potential for fraud and manipulation. If anything, they should be in the form of warehouse style commodity certificates.

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2) Abolish the 16th Amendment.

Why bother? It doesn't grant congress any new rights to tax individuals. Read the case law on it.

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ORIGINAL: subfever
3) Abolish the IRS, and all it's prior tax-codes. Set up new tax agency, taxing citizens' earnings...

Why tax individuals that way at all? A federal sales tax would require no disclosure of private information. Further, once upon a time corporations paid most of the taxes - and why shouldn't they?

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8) The medical community...

That was an enormous amount of government overhead you were discussing. Universal Healthcare will do the trick instead.

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10) Abolish all lobbyists. Congress is no longer for sale!

No arguments there.

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 10:22:16 PM

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subfever...way to go! i both disagree and agree with the items you have planned to improve the federal government, but your post was a delight to read.

pinkee

Thanks, pinkee. Your avatar is a delight to read too...

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/6/2006 11:02:05 PM

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1) ...Issue government's own, US Treasury Notes...

Article I, Section 10 money as Roger Sherman wanted. Any kind of paper money has enormous potential for fraud and manipulation. If anything, they should be in the form of warehouse style commodity certificates.

Like these?: http://www.libertydollar.org/

There was a time when I would have agreed with you. But then I read Stephen Zarlenga's The Lost Science of Money. Now I'm not nearly as fearful of a fiat currency, as long as it is owned and issued by the people for the benefit of all, and not for the benefit of a select elite as we have now. The book is an excellent read, and I highly recommend it:

http://www.monetary.org/lostscienceofmoney.html

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2) Abolish the 16th Amendment.

Why bother? It doesn't grant congress any new rights to tax individuals. Read the case law on it.

Yes, that's true. But the average person doesn't know this. Abolishing the Amendment would eliminate the controversy, and avoid potential problems in the future.

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3) Abolish the IRS, and all it's prior tax-codes. Set up new tax agency, taxing citizens' earnings...

Why tax individuals that way at all? A federal sales tax would require no disclosure of private information. Further, once upon a time corporations paid most of the taxes - and why shouldn't they?

Under my system, corporations would pay most of the taxes. Since I'm eliminating all federal taxes on salaries and wages for citizens earning this income within our borders, the individual states would still need to collect sales taxes.

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8) The medical community...

That was an enormous amount of government overhead you were discussing. Universal Healthcare will do the trick instead.

But my main idea is to level the playing field, put more cash in the pockets of the people primarily by (but not limited to) eliminating taxes and inflation, then indoctrinate them to fend for themselves instead of looking to the government to support them. Universal Healthcare is big government, and works directly against what I'm trying to accomplish.

Besides, how could Universal Healthcare be less government overhead compared to what I was discussing?

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10) Abolish all lobbyists. Congress is no longer for sale!

No arguments there.

Ahh... common ground to build on. It's a start...

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RE: What SHOULDN'T the Federal Govt. be doing? - 10/7/2006 12:27:11 AM

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Universal healthcare is big government, and works directly against what I'm trying to accomplish.

I don't think big government is wrong in all cases. Something's going to have to give, do you really suppose there are great jobs for the approaching 7 billion people that are out there? I think overpopulation is going to see the end of many things; or people will have to become ruthless beyond our ability to conceive of it today.

I've said it differently elsewhere, but as we change the rules of the labor market some people find they cannot compete based on those new rules. What then?

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