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newdombbw -> Teach Me About Protocol (10/7/2006 12:15:12 AM)

Although I've been Domme for a little over a year now, I have a large gap in my education regarding protocol - especially when meeting with other BDSM folks real time (such as at munches, parties, etc.)

I'd appreciate any advice/lessons my sisters may care to share with me.

Thank you in advance,

Gea




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/7/2006 12:18:18 AM)

I guess I am rather lax when it comes to protocol.  I dont actualy follow any conventions as it were.  I respect other dominants, for the most part.  As long as no one tries to order my pet around, I dont tend to have any problems with anyone.  ASide from that, I dont d titles, unles they are requested. Maybe I should read up on your answers to this one too... though my way of doing things has worked just fine for years

DV




DivineDarkDiva -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/7/2006 12:38:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: newdombbw

Although I've been Domme for a little over a year now, I have a large gap in my education regarding protocol - especially when meeting with other BDSM folks real time (such as at munches, parties, etc.)

I'd appreciate any advice/lessons my sisters may care to share with me.

Thank you in advance,

Gea


Be honest when you go to a party or a public event.  If you can, let the host/ess know you're new to that venue, and you may find they will show you the ropes.  Some protocol is just common sense.  A few points that may help you at the parties.  Observe things and see who is there together -- ask permission to talk to someone's sub if you have a need to talk with them.  I'd also suggest that if you are at a play party or workshop where someone is acting out a scene, keep your voice low so you won't disrupt the action or interfere with others' enjoyment.  Lemme see ... oh, and if you see the most disgusting thing you've ever witnessed ... do refrain from saying aloud "ewwwwwwww."




MaamJay -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/7/2006 3:58:23 AM)

Hello Gea
The aussie lifestyle is pretty laid back and relazed, so protocols aren't something we fuss over hugely in vanilla lives, let alone in the scene. However, there are some that W/we have written to guide the behaviour of people who come to bdsm events. I've summarised those here, though of course, things could be a bit different wherever You are. Do ask the hosts, preferably ahead of time, they may well have things all written out to guide You. However, if they don't, You might be able to formulate some specific "What about x?" questions from having read these!
Munches:
DO: wear non-fetish clothes, choose the sort of gear you'd usually wear to a night at a restaurant or pub, failing all else, basic black always works. The idea is not to draw attention to the group.
DON'T: talk loudly about bdsm at the table, especially when waiters etc are present, while you are there to talk to people, keep it discreet. While using Dominant, submissive, Master and Mistress may only get a curious look, talking loudly about floggers, anal play, scat and the like will buy trouble!
DO: have enough money with you for the meal and drinks.  Don't eat or drink to excess. Do not take drugs before or during!
DON'T: bring any bdsm toys with you, this isn't the time and place for a "show and tell"!
Play Parties:
DO: Check on the usual dress protocol. Some parties are fetish or costume only, and some have quite limited ideas as to what constitutes "fetish". At the parties W/we run, people can choose what to wear, basic black works, but W/we're not too keen on a grubby singlet, shorts and thongs! 
DO: Ask about money required for entry fees, whether anything else is required (at O/our parties, O/our entry fee is a suggested low donation and guests are asked to bring a plate for the shared supper). Check whether alcohol is permitted, here W/we ask people to moderate their drinking and not play after drinking heavily. Also ask about smoking areas. No drugs allowed!
DO: Ask about safewords that might be the "norm" for that Dungeon in addition to any that particular couples/groups may use.
DO: Ask if people generally go by scene names and titles or whether they use their regular first names.
DO: Ask if there is a system by which unattached people can locate others in a similar situation for possible play. Here W/we use a ribbon system, red for Dominants, yellow for submissives (no great meaning in this, it was what W/we had!), wear both if a switch! W/we also offer to supervise such play, essentially putting the submissive in that situation under the "house collar of protection" for the night.
DO: Ask if there are Dungeon monitors who keep an eye on things, and how to identify them.
DO: Allow players plenty of elbow room, watch out for the backswing on floggers etc, and don't comment loudly, either positively or negatively. Also don't pounce as soon as someone has finished the scene, allow for aftercare time, wait till they have moved into a mainstream area such as the kitchen or supper table before approaching them to ask questions.
DO: Remember that what happens in the Dungeon stays in the Dungeon! Be discreet!
DON'T: Take photos without permission, even if you are intent on only photographing your scene, sub etc, you could catch someone else in the background. And the flash can be very distracting to someone else's scene.

Hope that helps! Good luck and enjoy!
Mistress Jay aka violet[A]





LadyHugs -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/7/2006 5:23:47 AM)

Dear newdombbw, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Here is an extract from "The Manual -  How you give service."
 
US Library of Congress
Certificiation and Registered
TXu 828-635
1997
 
DUNGEON ETIQUETTE
 

1. Play should be conducted in a safe, sane and consensual manner.

2. Doors often open and close at a predetermined time. Make every effort to arrive on time and within the time frame specified by the host/hostess in the invitation.

3. Be discrete. Do be mum about the party invitation you receive as it may hurt the feelings of those not invited.

4. Bring something to the table. Sometimes the host/hostess will advise you task to bring items such as sodas, snacks, finger foods, napkins, plates and/or cups or other items.

5. Unless told otherwise, show up to leather events dressed in casual clothes or street clothes and change once inside the party location. Bring your toys in a container or gym bag as not to attract attention. The main idea is not to let the neighbors know what is taking place inside.

6. Cameras are not allowed! If you want to take photographs, get permission from the host/hostess first and get permission form those people to whom you wish to photograph regardless if you photograph from the neck down. Polaroids are preferred, as they develop immediately, and can screen those unwanted persons from the photo.  This includes camera phones as well. (Something when I wrote "The Manual - How you give service didn't exist then).

7. It is generally frowned upon to bring a non-scene person/guest to the party or scene events and most importantly the play space. It is never appropriate to bring unsuspecting persons to a play party without telling them what will be seeing and what to expect.

8. Treat others with respect and consideration at all times, regardless if Dominant or submissive. Do not assume the only worthwhile outcome of attending is a sexual encounter. Networking and making friends is a value.

9. First names and nicknames are the normal at scene functions. Treat everybody's identify as confidential and avoid using your last name, phone number, work number until you get to know them better. Avoid using scene names in non-scene environments.

10. It is seldom required, but always appreciated when people dress in scene attire or fetish attire. If you do not have one or can not afford them, the basic black is always acceptable.
 
11. Never, Never interfere with a scene without prior approval of the Dominant and submissive first. It is most rude to just walk up and start touching the submissive and begin playing with them.

12. Never, Never touch any equipment or toys that belong to others without their knowledge and consent.

13. Be sensitive about the smoke issue. Most all of the private dungeons are: No Smoking! There are designated smoking areas. Do not smoke outside of those areas.

14. Possession of illegal drugs is forbidden at leather events. It goes without saying that it is also illegal and a criminal offense.

15. Alcohol is frowned upon. Due to its inebriating effect and drunkenness in a scene is a hazard. If you come to a function intoxicated, do not be surprised or offended if you are denied admission or asked to leave. If the host/hostess wish to be most gracious they may allow you to watch but not play or participate and not consume further alcohol.

16. If you find yourself light of a few toys or picked up new ones by accident, notify the host/hostess the next day as to have arrangements to return and/or receive the toy back. But do note, not everybody is trustworthy and there are thieves among us.

17. Sexual penetration, oral sex or a exchange of body fluids is often behavior which is not desired on bondage furniture during a party. In private is the best, unless its approved by the host/hostess and if you do have sex clean up after yourself and the furniture. Most times sexual activities are off limits and if they are done, are done in a designated room. Further, there is usually no urine, blood or scat play at these functions. Fisting is also not usually permitted. In public dungeons any masturbation, sexual stimulation, sex, blood, urine and genital torture is forbidden. Each area is different so check the Dungeon Rules posted by the Management.

18. If you see things happening in a scene that does not look safe, sane or consensual do alert the host/hostess or the dungeon Master/Mistress or staff in the public dungeon.

19. Ask about and Obey house rules. House rules are defined by the host/hostess.
The word of the Host/Hostess is Final! House rules vary from place to place.
Full contact sex is relatively uncommon in the heterosexual parties specially in the dungeon area. Full contact sex should go to the bedroom-designated area, sometimes an altered bedroom with bondage equipment in there.

20. Do not mob the women.


21. Keep the kids and pets home.

22. Use your common sense, watch and observe, learn and listen, seek advice and if you have a question ask! But if you have a question wait till scenes are over to ask your question of the players or ask some person who is not occupied.

23. If you disagree do not be disagreeable! Remain civil. There will be personalities that conflict with your own. Be ladies and gentlemen and you might be invited back or invited to other parties.

24. Do not stand in the way of play. If you get hit with a whip or other toy, shame on you!

25. Do not interrupt play or move in on a play scene unless you are invited by the Dominant. It is ok to watch, but do not be a Mister/Miss know-it-all! If they want you to play they will invite you. And, if and when invited, be under the advisement and direction of the main Dominant. That Dominant is in charge and knows the limits and boundaries of the submissive/slave.

26. Be respectful to all people. You will find all kinds of body shapes, different fetishes, different genders, different races and different styles of play. Your kink may not be their kink.

27. Submissive/Bottoms should not hover or circle like a bird of prey over the Dominants. This is especially true when engaged in conversation, or just when the Dominant sits down after the scene. When there is a break in the conversation then ask politely if they can be permitted to speak and/or ask things, then available.

28. Do Not Ask to Borrow Toys! Especially when they are sex toys or toys that penetrate. These are one person toys and for health purposes should remain so. Bring your own toys, if you are not prepared to play, too bad! You however, can ask a dominant who is prepared and has toys to use on the bottom. Further, you can ask the Dominant to demonstrate how they are used and/or how they can be used. Should you borrow a toy, it is the responsibility of the borrower to replace the toy if the toy is damaged regardless of what the degree of the damage is.

29. Manners, when proper for either non-consensual or in the Scene is always appreciated. Manners also exclude the use of profanity or vulgar language and/or acts/gestures. Nobody, regardless if in the Scene or not, complain about manners and etiquette that are good.

30. Use common sense. If you are going to do a fire scene/fire play, that open flames are exposed, make sure that all the safety measures are met. If you need to, have somebody assist. This way nobody accidentally hits the flames, catches on fire or spills the flame source. A blanket should also be available to smother the flames should clothes catch fire. The need for the Dominant to focus on the submissive is most important; the jewelry must be off, hair tied up and out of the way as well as loose sleeves.

31. At a private dungeon party and you are not doing anything, start picking up the trash and put them in the trash can. The Host/Hostess will appreciate any assistance in making the party space clean, neat and attractive. For Submissives this is one of the best ways to make an impression when on their own act to clean up the dungeon.

32. Just because you are invited to a dungeon party, that does not mean you are required to play. Some women are not ready to play. Some are shy or will not play in public however, use the opportunity to get to know folks, chat and exchanged scene ideas and horror stories.

33. BDSM is not prejudice. There are many that are fat, tall, skinny, physically blessed, some are novice, some are experienced, some are of different color or different play styles and fetishes. But when you gossip it always comes back to the source. So do be careful how you talk about people.

34. It is wise, to advise the Host/Hostess of any medical problems which may be a problem. Such as seizures, diabetic and/or heart, so that the Host and/or Hostess can monitor and not have panic and confusion in the middle of a crisis especially when it happens mid-scene. Further, have a list of what to do and medications and how to apply ready and prepared and in easy reach of you as to permit fast application of what ever is needed.

35. It is most kind of Host/Hostess to open their private home and dungeon to the partygoer. It is highly encouraged to send a written thank you note to the Host/Hostess thanking them for the opportunity to attend. Please save your list of complaints for a later time unless its too serious to ignore.

36. Host/Hostess and/or Dungeon Masters and Mistresses should be the epitome of Etiquette and good manners. Unfortunately, some in the public dungeons or the naive, violate the very same rules they expect others to obey. This should be a mark of the degree of knowledge or the scene aware the management is.

37. Dungeons are not a place for competition play. There are many skilled and unskilled players. The major thing is to play safe. Not all the fancy whip work could be safe.

38. Some public dungeons have "performances" or those who are compensated to put on a show. Do not confuse this with a special relationship between a Dominant and submissive, Master and/or Mistress-slave. Or even a Top-bottom player. When playing with your partner, tune out the rest and focus on each other. After done playing both can sit and watch and pick up new ideas and techniques or use the opportunity to educate what is good and bad, mistakes and observation skills or place a what if that scene was my scene, what would I keep or change.
End of extract -- I am the author of The Manual- How you give service.

Munches, often hope that you will behave in a well mannered way.  It is not time to 'scene' or 'show an tell' your toys.  It is in a vanilla setting and its good to be mindful that it is shared space.  It mostly is a gathering as to just enjoy each other's company.  Protocol will be seen in an nearly invisible manner between D/s couples.
The dominant will be seated first and then the slave and or submissive.  At times when there is a buffet; the dominant leads and shows the slave what they want and the slave/submissive plates those items on, carries it to the table for you and serve from the right, if space and ability to do so permits.  Then they'll get their own food.

Voices do carry.  So, being as quiet as possible is nice. If you have to move as to carry a conversation do so.  Our scene chatter is to be kept in the group and don't wish to make the BDSM table a source of complaints.  In the old days it was harder to find places that would allow such a gathering.  So, in keeping that in mind, treat every place that hosts kinky folks as a rare jewel is wise, in my mind's eye.

Others have made wonderful comments as well.  Being new is not a dirty word.
I am sure you will find helpful hints from those who attend munches and parties.
Private parties--the afore listed rules will serve you well.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




thetammyjo -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/7/2006 7:48:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: newdombbw

Although I've been Domme for a little over a year now, I have a large gap in my education regarding protocol - especially when meeting with other BDSM folks real time (such as at munches, parties, etc.)

I'd appreciate any advice/lessons my sisters may care to share with me.

Thank you in advance,

Gea


If I could only arch one eyebrow, that is what I'd do whenever someone approached me in a high protocol manner at any event. I can find it touching for the first few seconds and after that I find rather annoying as though I'm being expected to scene without my consent.

If the event has special rules and protocols, they should post them for all to know. That way you can decide whether or not that is a good place for you to go.

Otherwise just be yourself and be polite to everyone.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/8/2006 12:37:20 AM)

We're all just normal people (mostly). Be yourself and be polite and you should do fine. Every day, decent manners go far.

Master Fire




mons -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 12:51:33 AM)

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GirlyDevil -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 9:07:34 AM)

I went to my first domme party with my slave. Yeah I'll admit that I was timid and not sure what to say or act etc. But after maybe 5 min. I was going up to people and talking, watching different demos, dommes would come up to me and introduce themselves. And before I knew it, I had made many friends, of which I still stay in contact with. I can't wait for the halloween party. I guess I got off the subject a little bit, overall be yourself and before you know it, you'll have plenty of friends at the end of the night. Good luck




Bearlee -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 9:20:06 AM)

I'm with the majority of folks here.  Protocol = "when in Rome..."    The problem is when you're behaving as if in Rome and you're in Bulgaria.  EVERYBODY and EVERY PLACE has their twist on Protocol.
 
I say, use common sense; be polite and quietly ask questions and look for posted rules.
 
bearlee




DiannaVesta -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 9:49:24 AM)

The reality is that no matter what there's always someone who forgets to act right. I hate so many rules. My motto is to be a nice person and respect others no matter who they are.




MisPandora -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 12:52:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: newdombbw

Although I've been Domme for a little over a year now, I have a large gap in my education regarding protocol - especially when meeting with other BDSM folks real time (such as at munches, parties, etc.)

I'd appreciate any advice/lessons my sisters may care to share with me.

Thank you in advance,

Gea

Protocol can take many forms -- dungeon protocol, leather bar protocol, and protocol one personally takes on to train their subjects with.  What were you really seeking?




MisPandora -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 12:55:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

If I could only arch one eyebrow, that is what I'd do whenever someone approached me in a high protocol manner at any event. I can find it touching for the first few seconds and after that I find rather annoying as though I'm being expected to scene without my consent.

And here's the polar opposite opinion: If that's the way they were trained, or if they are in service to someone else, greeting  me like that puts a smile on my face.  I'm HAPPY that folks choose to carry on formal behaviors, especially where it pertains to manners.  I can only hope it will rub off on people watching.




Sylverdawn -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 2:10:03 PM)

I generally find this guideline helps me; DO NOTHING and TOUCH NOTHING and Say Thank you to everybody.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Teach Me About Protocol (10/10/2006 3:22:31 PM)

Be nice, courteous, considerate, friendly and helpful to others in the BDSM community regardless of their gender, sexual orientation or dom/sub status.  Everything else is just a wank fantasy, for the most part.

Some groups will have specific protocols, but in my experience, the ones that encourage protocols that go too much beyond "be nice and polite to everyone" don't last very long because they are based on strangers playing out fantasy roles with one another without bothering with things like consent and negotiation.  That's usually an invitation to all kinds of problems, and it can make people feel very uncomfortable in a social setting.




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