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Dnomyar -> women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:16:22 AM)

Horse whisper was brought up in another post. Have you women ever came up against a Woman whisperer. How did you handle it?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:23:42 AM)

Watching the Wedding Crashers is probably the most recent example of how all guys really need to do is learn a few key points of watching and listening to have most of the women in the world practically drooling.  The fact that so few men can actually manage even these basic concepts is a sad state of affairs for both the men who sell themselves short and the women who hold such low expectations that they leap at the slightest sense of "more."

I can't tell you how many times I hear subs go on and on about how much their masters can simply read their minds and KNOW so much about them- when what they KNOW about them is pretty much universal to females and anyone could take a few quick whispers in their ears and have the women dancing like puppets.

That being said, when someone REALLY takes the time and insight to understand someone, it's a very special thing and I hope we all have the opportunity to have someone like that in our lives.




Aine -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:24:56 AM)

Handle it?

Well, one of my good friends on her I would probably consider a "woman whisperer".  But I don't know how to answer the "handle it" question. 

To me, what it implies is kind of a shady thing, like handling a smooth talker.  I'm sure that's not what you meant, it's just how it sounds to me lol.

Just from talking to him, I've had some amazing conversations, and he's helped me on a very platonic level with dealing with the different feelings and insecurities that comes with learning about yourself in this lifestyle.  But if he were to be on a more personal level with someone, I could definitely see his approach to being that of a"whisperer".




mstrjx -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:31:36 AM)

To elaborate on what LA said, it's really called 'paying attention'.

Most 'people' are no different than the person standing next to them, given certain similarities.  All it requires is filtering out the commonalities.

I've watched people since I was a kid.  You've seen on TV or movies where people learn to read minds, then they realize that if they open themselves up, there's this sheer wall of noise coming from all around.

So I ignore most people most of the time, to filter out the noise.  Turn on to one person for 5 or 10 minutes, and that person, their motivations, the way they manipulate others or allow others to affect them, all clear.

Once a person is 'clear' to you, then you know how to push their buttons.  If you're really evil, you can manipulate people the wrong way.  If it's someone you care about, you know how to 'twist' them towards you, rather than away.

But the trick is that it's all just patterns.  People don't really vary all that much.

Jeff




CrappyDom -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:34:11 AM)

I am REALLY curious to see where this thread goes...




Aine -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:38:59 AM)

I agree that it is about paying attention, but you have to admit, as long as you are aware of it, there is a whole deeper level to it at times.  Plenty of guys I know pay attention to what the females around them say.  Do they make the women drool and swoon?  No.  They are nice guys, they are great guys.  But there's a deeper level of understanding that some people (not just men) can get to that really goes to the heart of another person.  And to me, that's amazing.




caitlyn -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:39:02 AM)

Please excuse me for being uninformed, but what is a woman whisperer?




losttreasure -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:52:28 AM)

Pity FirmHandKY is busy with work right now; he could write a book on this.  [:D]




LaTigresse -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:53:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Please excuse me for being uninformed, but what is a woman whisperer?


What I have gotten so far........someone that really pays attention and tunes into the woman............

Adding.......in 44 years I have yet to meet a male that was one.




losttreasure -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:56:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Please excuse me for being uninformed, but what is a woman whisperer?


A version of the following, but in regard to women:

A horse whisperer is a horse trainer who adopts a sympathetic view of the motives, needs, and desires of the horse, based on modern equine psychology.

Edited to add:  And no, it doesn't have anything to do with Pony Play.  [:D]




KatyLied -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 10:59:22 AM)

Is this like the Dog Whisperer?  He (Cesar) takes unruly dogs to doggie boot camp and sets them (and their owners) in the right direction.  It's retraining for dogs.  I guess it could work with women too.    [&:]




Dnomyar -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 11:55:27 AM)

I think that losttreasure comes close . Just substitute woman for horse. 




Najakcharmer -> RE: women whisperer (10/9/2006 7:05:37 PM)

I actually *am* a "horse whisperer", only the animals I work with aren't horses.  If the concept does translate to humans, it should be an entirely positive thing.  I don't think you can be a "whisperer" and not have the deepest possible empathy, understanding, love and respect for the creatures you are able to understand and communicate with on this level. 

Being an animal whisperer is about understanding every single subtle nuance of the animal's body language and vocalization, and making constant adjustments to your own body language and vocalization to effectively communicate your intent and convince the animal that you are not a threat so that you can work closely with it.  If you know what the animal is going to do before it does, you can step out of the way of an attack if it's coming, or meet it head on if that's what is required.  A good "whisperer" will actually respond to an attack before it happens by adjusting their posture and changing the intent they are telegraphing, and quite often that level of two way communication can completely replace the actual attack.  The animal postures and threatens, the handler acknowledges their understanding and responds appropriately either by backing off the behavior that was upsetting the animal or by standing firm and calling the bluff.  The untrained observer may see only small and subtle movements culminating in an amazingly "tame" appearing wild animal that tolerates handling and close contact in a very short period of time.  What is actually happening is a two way communication of intent that can replace the need for physical confrontation. 

I don't think it's possible to do any of this without almost literally becoming the animal inside your own head.  I don't claim that this is a supernatural ability by any means.  Going all New Agey and unrealistic about animal work is a great way to get killed, and I don't recommend it.   It's about reading subtle cues of muscle tension and body positioning, but "empathy" is a pretty good word for what it feels like from the inside.  Animals can't talk, so a huge part of being a "whisperer" is learning to read them with dead-on accuracy.  And when you're working with large animals or dangerous animals, if you're not dead-on, you're just dead. 

If I met someone skilled enough to read my body language and understand empathically what I am thinking and feeling as well as I do it with the animals I work with, that would actually be pretty nifty.  Good communication is always a plus in any kind of relationship.  I think the original question may have implied that someone with this kind of ability could use their ability to manipulate or control for selfish purposes.  I'm not sure how well that would actually work.  From my perspective as a real life "whisperer", I would not be able to do anything that was not in the best interests of an animal whose head I was basically moving into, even if I wanted to.  If you can almost literally feel another living thing's pain and fear, you are pretty strongly motivated to soothe it and to make the animal feel easy and comfortable in your presence.  That is fundamentally what being an animal whisperer is about.  The feeling of extreme empathy drives a strong desire to communicate clearly and come to a close understanding.  I can't see how that would be bad if it went human to human instead of human to animal. 

There are people who do have good skills at reading others and manipulating them, but I'm not sure it would be operating on the same principles.  I don't really know how that would work.  I do know that anyone who was actually being an "animal whisperer" with humans in the same sense that I work with animals would not be inclined to do anything hurtful to the people they were empathizing with and understanding so deeply.





Kedicat -> RE: women whisperer (10/10/2006 12:46:22 AM)

I'd say the language of woman whispering is far more complex than any herd animals.
I am by no means an expert, but I have seen many totally mute men in this language. It is amusing to watch. Often painful for the fellow [:D]

There is a whispering that is common to all of us, male or female. And the one who is fluent in your particular dialect.




Kedicat -> RE: women whisperer (10/10/2006 12:57:00 AM)

This post brings to mind the concept of predator and prey. The predator learning the ways of the prey. A human well versed in the manners of herd animals can blend into the herd, even assume leadership. In charge of the henhouse.

There are laws and ethics watchdogs for therapists. They know how to whisper. But amateurs can learn a lot.

It whispers on so many levels..looks, eyes, clothes, body language. It can all be a weapon. And be a delicious and perfect match when D/s M/s is the point of it. The salesmen whisper to desires and insecurities, to put you in debt. The predators whisper you out of your heart and soul. Debts that may never be paid.




becca333 -> RE: women whisperer (10/10/2006 1:50:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Horse whisper was brought up in another post. Have you women ever came up against a Woman whisperer. How did you handle it?


I've known one.  I handled it by loving every precious moment.




zumala -> RE: women whisperer (10/10/2006 6:29:32 AM)

Just a side note/thought.  I do what Najakcharmer has mentioned earlier.  Never really thought of a term for it, but I guess 'animal whisperer' at least fits.  I'm not very good with people, though.  Gotten too cynical.
 
zuma




Najakcharmer -> RE: women whisperer (10/10/2006 9:22:31 AM)

It's kind of funny that I'm actually doing what I describe in my profile shot; I've got my hands on a particularly magnificent animal that you can't see in the tightly cropped version of the pic.  I use the top half of the photo because I like the look on my face; it's the total focus I get when I'm living in another creature's head.  And come to think of it, it's not unlike "dom space" during a very intense scene when I'm moving into a subbie's head to drive his physical, mental and emotional experience to the limits.  The concentration and focus on my subject is absolute.  I expect that in both cases it pretty much has to be.






Emperor1956 -> RE: women whisperer (10/10/2006 9:35:09 AM)

OH.  I get it now.  I needed to look up a Wiki article: 
 
"Woman behavior is best understood from the perspective that women are prey animals with a well-developed fight or flight instinct. Their first response to a threat is to flee, although they are known to stand their ground and defend themselves or their offspring in cases where flight is not possible, such as when a baby would be threatened.

Nonetheless, because their physiology is also suited to the accomplishment of a number of Man-related work and entertainment, Men domesticated women thousands of years ago and they have served Men ever since. Through selective breeding, some women have been bred to be quite docile, particularly certain large women. On the other hand, most light women riding breeds were developed for speed, agility, alertness and endurance; building on natural qualities that extended from their wild ancestors.

The instincts of women can be used to male advantage to create a bond between man and woman. These techniques vary, but are part of the art of woman training."

E.




Najakcharmer -> RE: women whisperer (10/10/2006 9:51:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
"Woman behavior is best understood from the perspective that women are prey animals with a well-developed fight or flight instinct. Their first response to a threat is to flee, although they are known to stand their ground and defend themselves or their offspring in cases where flight is not possible, such as when a baby would be threatened.


Homo sap evolved under conditions of being a prey animal, and the fight or flight response isn't linked to the X chromosone by any means.  This stuff is just silly. 

I don't work with prey animals or herd animals, and in fact I've been notorious at more than one zoo for spooking hoofstock with my natural body language...including the petting zoo animals that don't spook for screaming kids running and grabbing at them.  The mindset really is completely different with prey animals, and the same body language that will let you get close to wild carnivores appears to scare the crap out of herd animals, sometimes literally. 




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