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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 11:49:29 AM   
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Thompsonx chastises me for my cavalier attitude to mental illness.

You are right Mr T, the post as written does make it sound as tho' I belong to the "pull yourself together and all will be well" brigade.Far from it, but I still hold the OPINION that a lot of what is described as  mental illness is in fact a normal response to the travails of everyday life, and it is this that many "professionals" latch on to, and in many cases are likely to offer different solutions for.
The number of children on prescription drugs for so called behavioural problems is a case in point.

I thoroughly enjoyed my cheap evening meal, soon I shall quaff a pint of English Beer and a couple of glasses of wine, then I will cast around for something to worry about.

Cheers to Giovanni di Biaggios and all Collarme contributors.

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 11:50:08 AM   
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I have tried to state this in as  restrained a form as possible and candy coat it as much as I could...perhaps one day I will actually open up and tell you what I really think.

thompson



thompson, now I know this is going to be worth hearing, so come on man - lets have it with both barrells!

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 12:02:32 PM   
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Yes MC - but if I'm operating a tax avoidance scheme, are they seriously expecting me to tell them!?

If I have to declare "notifiable" schemes, does this mean they are not interested in knowing of any schemes that are not so described?

It just seems crazy to me

E


Well if you fill your returns in properly they should be able to work out what you are doing and as long as its not illegal its fine. The problem comes if they think you are not telling them the whole truth and they send you a tax demand for thousands of pounds and when you protest they will just say, OK, prove you don't owe us the money. It's your problem.

My brother's friend got a tax demand from the Inland Revenue one year for an extra ten thousand pounds because his standard of living appeared higher than his income. He decided to pay because he had got away with more over a period of several years and he couldn't prove he didn't owe the money without letting the tax  office know too many of his secrets.


I'd just like to point out, that neither I nor my company evades tax by the way!

So far, through the vagaries of paying finance companies extortionate interest and the laziness and incompetence of certain employees (white British - poor recruitment by me), the company has not made a penny and so has not had to pay corporation tax.

Hows that? A swipe at the rich and the downtrodden workers in one go!?


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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 12:09:04 PM   
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Lady E said
Hows that? A swipe at the rich and the downtrodden workers in one go!?

Its the berks in the middle who bear the weight of everything Lady E. 
Just fix me up with an appointment with Giovanni will you ?


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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 12:17:46 PM   
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Gent,

You really think you are Robin Hood don't you?

Why is it always, "Take other people's money to spend on what ' I ' want"?

You could be jailed under your point #4 - you are always inciting tension.

Have you EVER had an original thought or are you content with reguritating someone else's crap?!?!?!

BTW, when the government raises taxes on corporations, they are actually raising them on the people because corporations don't "eat" those costs, they just pass them on to the consumer.  So, you can act all high and mighty that you are "sticking it to Big Business", but you are sticking it to the poor, the elderly on fixed incomes, the middle class, etc.

Sometimes it's wise to think past the first step to see where the next few steps will take you.

What you are blathering about is having the government regulate morality - is THAT what you really want, because why should they stop at over priced haircuts, what if they decide that smacking another person, even if they are begging you to do it, is not something they should permit - once the genie is out of the bottle, it's damn hard to get it back in.   THINK!!!  (If thinking hurts, find someone smart to think for you)

I do agree with you on one point - I think spending $100 on a simple haircut in a fancy-schmancy hair salon to pump up one's ego is ridiculous; but (to find the silver lining), the government does get more tax revenue on a $100 haircut than a $20 one.


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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 1:08:57 PM   
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Gent,

You really think you are Robin Hood don't you?

Why is it always, "Take other people's money to spend on what ' I ' want"?

And the problem with this is? Do you not have an opinion? Do you not have a view on where you think tax-payers money should be spent? When you hand over your tax are you not interested where it goes? Everybody on this board has posted a view on where they'd like to see tax spent so what exactly is your problem with the concept of me having an opinion?

You could be jailed under your point #4 - you are always inciting tension.

Have you EVER had an original thought or are you content with reguritating someone else's crap?!?!?!

What are you talking about? You don't know me and you're there with your EVER talk. 

BTW, when the government raises taxes on corporations, they are actually raising them on the people because corporations don't "eat" those costs, they just pass them on to the consumer. 

No they don't. The simple laws of supply and demand control prices. By your logic, corporations/businesses would never go bankrupt because they would pass on all costs to consumers who would simply eat these costs. The one weapon that corporations/businesses have is to take their business elsewhere. If businesses pushed CT costs back to the consumer they would be undercut by foreign competitors who would enter a ready made profitable market at the same prices that had previously earned huge profits - we have free trade here.
 
Also, if you bother to read what is being said, you'll find I specifically mentioned Murdoch's media empire who has paid no net CT in this country for 10 years even though his empire made £1.4 billion profit. If opposing this is what you call "Robin Hood" then you're not as smart as you seem to think you are.


So, you can act all high and mighty that you are "sticking it to Big Business", but you are sticking it to the poor, the elderly on fixed incomes, the middle class, etc.

See above


Sometimes it's wise to think past the first step to see where the next few steps will take you.

Ditto

What you are blathering about is having the government regulate morality - is THAT what you really want, because why should they stop at over priced haircuts, what if they decide that smacking another person, even if they are begging you to do it, is not something they should permit - once the genie is out of the bottle, it's damn hard to get it back in.   THINK!!!  (If thinking hurts, find someone smart to think for you)

You think you're smart enough to give someone a going over on a message board but the problem is, based on the above paragraph, you are not. We live in a country that values style over substance, marketing over social welfare. If you disagree then fine but don't give me the big capitals and exclamation marks like a prozac-induced drama student. Argue your point rationally.

I do agree with you on one point - I think spending $100 on a simple haircut in a fancy-schmancy hair salon to pump up one's ego is ridiculous; but (to find the silver lining), the government does get more tax revenue on a $100 haircut than a $20 one.




One last thing, from your language you seem to think you're a cyber-warrior hard-man behind your computer screen. In real life, I'll bet you a pound to a penny you wouldn't say boo to a goose because if you did, talking like that, I wouldn't fancy your chances of staying on your feet very long. Be civil, it costs nothing.

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 1:49:43 PM   
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TGD - One thing you cant accuse NG of is never having an original thought.

NG seems to come up with some of the most originally daft ideas anywhere in politics. So I just wont have it that he is regurgitating anything. Heavens! That would imply someone else, in some other time or place had also been prey to spouting the same unique views. One NG is bad enough - more than one would be scary.

Luckily enough though TGD, even in the cut and thrust of our debates on Brit-Pol (British politics) we do all try to maintain civility and a degree of good humour. Occasionally we fail, that I'll admit. But that you didnt even try, speaks more about you than the points you were trying to make.

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:05:07 PM   
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One last thing, from your language you seem to think you're a cyber-warrior hard-man behind your computer screen. In real life, I'll bet you a pound to a penny you wouldn't say boo to a goose because if you did, talking like that, I wouldn't fancy your chances of staying on your feet very long. Be civil, it costs nothing.


I beg your pardon, I'm just as big mouthy in person as I am online - it's just exhausting to listen to you "rage against the machine" rants day in and day out.  I don't think government is any better with their monetary control than big business and if the solution to any problem is government or big business then Lord help us all.

As for civility - you can be just as uncivil in your responses to people that disagree with you as I was with you on this topic.  So I snapped at only one of your dozens of rants; you gotta give me credit for only snapping at this one.

When you jump and down waving and screaming "look at me, look at me" - people will look, but eventually the rants get old and tired.

I consider myself liberal on some issues and conservative on others - I am not a moderate because people that stand in the middle of the road just get run over.

As for this topic, and your replies to me ... your premises are shakey, your conclusions are flawed, and your delivery is grating.  BUT, that is my opinion and whether you or anyone likes it, I'm entitled to it.

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:07:22 PM   
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Luckily enough though TGD, even in the cut and thrust of our debates on Brit-Pol (British politics) we do all try to maintain civility and a degree of good humour. Occasionally we fail, that I'll admit. But that you didnt even try, speaks more about you than the points you were trying to make.

E



I've watched Parliment on TV; there's not as much civility as I think you hope.  Of course, us Yanks look at things differently than our friends from Brittania.

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:10:28 PM   
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Luckily enough though TGD, even in the cut and thrust of our debates on Brit-Pol (British politics) we do all try to maintain civility and a degree of good humour. Occasionally we fail, that I'll admit. But that you didnt even try, speaks more about you than the points you were trying to make.

E



I've watched Parliment on TV; there's not as much civility as I think you hope.  Of course, us Yanks look at things differently than our friends from Brittania.


Damn and blast you colonials LOL! Who told you about TV?

Dont we have sanctions against these rebellious fellows, by George?

I just loved this bit though! -

As for this topic, and your replies to me ... your premises are shakey, your conclusions are flawed, and your delivery is grating

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:15:11 PM   
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Luckily enough though TGD, even in the cut and thrust of our debates on Brit-Pol (British politics) we do all try to maintain civility and a degree of good humour. Occasionally we fail, that I'll admit. But that you didnt even try, speaks more about you than the points you were trying to make.

E



I've watched Parliment on TV; there's not as much civility as I think you hope.  Of course, us Yanks look at things differently than our friends from Brittania.


Damn and blast you colonials LOL! Who told you about TV?

Dont we have sanctions against these rebellious fellows, by George?

I just loved this bit though! -

As for this topic, and your replies to me ... your premises are shakey, your conclusions are flawed, and your delivery is grating


That does it - I'm throwing a teabag into a puddle - TAKE THAT!!!! ;-D

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:24:55 PM   
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TGD - throwing teabags you havent paid for into puddles, is very costly. The tea merchants will pass the loss on to their customers in terms of higher prices, and so affect the standard of living of the lowest socio economic groups.

Now we know why England is so full of deprivation. Those Bostonians have a lot to answer for!

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:31:34 PM   
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LE,

I'm not fond of Bostonians either - they eat alot of Beans

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:36:01 PM   
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LE,

I'm not fond of Bostonians either - they eat alot of Beans


Beans? I'm obviously missing something here......?

I thought Chicago was the windy city

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:40:06 PM   
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LE,

I'm not fond of Bostonians either - they eat alot of Beans


Beans? I'm obviously missing something here......?

I thought Chicago was the windy city

E


You've never heard of Boston Baked Beans??!!??  Different kind of wind - yikes!

Oh, and I have forgotten my manners - thank you for the lovely conversation Milady {sweeping bow}

See, even those of us over the pond know our place

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:53:21 PM   
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Boston Baked Beans? Nope - sorry. I know Heinz, if that counts? Although they're not at all popular here at the mo as theyre about to close the HP Sauce factory and move it to Holland.

No need for manners with me TGD - I'm British after all. Good manners here are now pretty much extinct after the winning of the Class War - although some are still mopping up resistance, I understand. Still, I'll try to give a curtsey back, if only my arthritic hip will allow - "creak". Crikey I know how to impress a man!

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 2:57:34 PM   
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I just have to hijack this thread to ask - what on earth are the England team doing tonight? I'm watching the highlights. What system are they playing? 4-2-LOSE by any chance?
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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 3:05:38 PM   
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It's called pub football LE. There is no system, you just chase the ball. They're like eleven shirts blowing about in the wind.

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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 3:10:14 PM   
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It's called pub football LE. There is no system, you just chase the ball. They're like eleven shirts blowing about in the wind.


Its just finished. What an absolute shower. I agree with you - the under 14s wouldnt have done much worse.

McClaren Out!
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RE: Giovanni Di Biaggios - 10/11/2006 3:32:49 PM   
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Oh well. At least Scotland lost too.
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