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subjected2006 -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 12:21:27 PM)
hey I am glad you posted it. You are supposed to post things like this kiddo. We dont want fudge recipes here... We need to be made aware of and reminded of the "opinions" of the learned and unlearned Know your enemy and all that.. no,,,please.. no vanila police...I am not calling vanila evil..I like vanila..with out vanila there is no fudge.. just saying

MisPandora -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 12:27:16 PM)
There's a push to get paraphilias removed from the DSM to criminalize things such as pedophilia, rather than make it a "disease/disorder." Some information about it is located here: http://www.siior.com/

subjected2006 -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 12:37:16 PM)
Thank you.. May I use your site on my 360?

MisPandora -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 12:56:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subjected2006 Thank you.. May I use your site on my 360? It's not my site. You might wish to write the site owner (her email is on that splash page) and ask her -- her name is Sarah.

thetammyjo -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 1:27:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aine You know what, FORGET that I even posted about it being a damned Disorder. I get it. Forgive me for being young and never having heard of it beforehand. BUT I very quickly came to the same conclusion about the harm part as the rest of you. I think what you read and how you understood it is not only rational but logical for anyone of us who is not a trained psychologist or who has talked to any of them about this. And it can be very upsetting to us to realize that not only is BDSM not mainstream but it can be seen as a sickness or an evil by others. I've held enough crying folks in my arm who've been sure she/he was evil because of their desire to know it can hit hard. Luckily my own brush with that feeling was brief because I had a very good therapy who told me that was crap and what I did was just an expression of sexual energy and love. No, the therapist wasn't kinky or classified as "kink aware" just a good therapist.

juliaoceania -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 1:33:10 PM)
quote: And it can be very upsetting to us to realize that not only is BDSM not mainstream but it can be seen as a sickness or an evil by others. I've held enough crying folks in my arm who've been sure she/he was evil because of their desire to know it can hit hard. I know this was a major issue for me in realizing I was a masochist and the connotations that this term means to people in the world at large. It was hard for me to come to terms with, but I am what I am, and now I embrace it

charismagirrl -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 1:39:09 PM)
Also, in the case of schizophrenia, emotions and feelings can become displaced, confused or "in appropriate" (laughing instead of being angry or crying) Sooo maybe that is where the link to mental retardation came in, the fact that maybe they derived pleasure from what the masses would find painful. So they need to be careful to identify what is actually being felt. A masochist feels pain where it is appropriate-they don't feel pleasure in place of pain, they use the feeling of pain as a means to pleasure but if they didn't feel the actual pain first then it wouldn't work. Someone who is schizophrenic or mentally retarded may not feel the pain at all, it may tickle or they might feel pleasure or nothing at all. Just my thoughts on this.

Rover -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 2:00:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora There's a push to get paraphilias removed from the DSM to criminalize things such as pedophilia, rather than make it a "disease/disorder." Some information about it is located here: http://www.siior.com/ I attended Ms & Mr World Leather where Sarah competed for the Ms World Leather title, and whose presentation included removal of all paraphilias from the DSM, including pedophilia. And although I enjoyed Sarah on a personal level (I even purchased her basket), the logic behind her insistence that removing pedophilia from the DSM was disturbing, to say the least. To begin, I'm not aware that there is any problem prosecuting pedophiles, or that they are avoiding prosecution while hiding behind the protection of the medical community. And removal of pedophilia from the DSM might have the net effect of creating more crimes against children, as insurance companies would no longer categorize pedophilia as a recognized disorder leaving those who are afflicted, but have not yet acted upon their urges, unable to find affordable treatment. There was no information provided to indicate that removing pedophilia from the DSM was medically related (ie: it is not because the medical community's professional opinion is that pedophilia is not legitimately a disorder). And finally, beyond Sarah's crusade, there was no indication that any medical professionals are offering professional support to her effort. As of her presentation in August, she had been researching this topic for the sum total of (as I recall) five months, and holds no medical degrees in the field herself. I've devoted a lot of attention to the issue surrounding one paraphilia because I think it's a crucial issue. Removing pedophilia from the DSM will do far more harm, without contributing one bit to it's stated goal of "criminalizing" pedophilia... something that is already a crime (and can you seriously imagine an elected District Attorney not prosecuting a pedophile?). As for removal of the other paraphilias, I was and remain completely supportive. John

diamonddreamlove -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/13/2006 8:19:11 PM)
The main key is that it is creating difficulties in other activities such as work, and relationships. Without that clause we are just having fun and not sickos lol. Sides i refuse to go to any therapist that would think that cause that would be a clueless therapist. And yes i know it is in the DSMIV-R cause i am a therapist but then if you read the whole book we all could qualify for several other diagnosis but again only if it is a problem for you or others. Now my Dom does not think i am a probelm and so our consensus is phhhhhhhhhat to all that think differently. Luckily i would probably like a straight jacket hmmmm haven't tried one yet but there are possibilities. Anyway just ignore the shit and go on with life as we are WE know we aren't that sick and those writing the book are just afraid to visit the realm of reality instead of staying in their dreams.

Donnalee -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/14/2006 4:53:53 PM)
As a person who has been in the mental health business for 25 years, let me say this: Anyone can be wrong, change their thinking, or simply be mistaken. The DSM has changed many times since I've started. Homosexuality is no longer a disorder, adults can have ADD now....heck, in the DSM III, you couldn't classify a cocaine addict as an addict, and people with ulcers were neurotic instead of having a bug in their gut. The good ones live and learn, just like those in any other profession.

slavejali -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/14/2006 5:12:04 PM)
I probably have some kinda sexual disorder..the other night while Master was fucking me the dog jumped on the bed, he took a swipe at her and instead of getting her her, he got my head...it was a real turn on for me [;)]

Morrigel -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/14/2006 5:18:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy My general guideline to determine whether something is a disorder or simply a hobby is whether the person is capable of functioning in Real Life. I agree. And so does the webpage being pointed out. quote: This causes clinically important distress or impairs work, social or personal functioning. In other words...most clinicians would not define masochism as a disorder until it causes a person to be unable to function at work, in society or as a person. --M P.S. I read the Victorian psychiatric casebook "Psychopathia Sexualis" once. It was hawt.

meatcleaver -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 2:13:46 AM)
It has always seemed to me that masochism and domination are a type of drug addiction. Some people seem to be able to use it as a source of entertainment drug and some are truely addicted. Taken that as given, I guess if you see drugs as a disorder or illness, so is S&M. I don't know about anyone else but to me it is a form of getting high. I think it is recognized that people mentally of physically dominated and then arbitarily shown affection will feel release and a high. Its almost as if you are made to stand nursing heavy weights for a time and when you put the weights down your arms feel light and floaty. S&M is a drug, at least to me.

WhipTheHip -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 8:35:27 AM)
S&M is often considered a disorder in legal circles, and immoral to boot. We live in a Christian society with Christian morals. Even vanillia sex is often viewed as something perverse. The truth is the sex drive comes from the archipallium / the R-complex / the hypothalamus / the reptillian brain / the Id / the Devil or the animal soul. It is a physical desire, not a spiritual desire. Spiritual and physical are antonyms. Some people call whatever they like spiritual. Psychologists call this rationalization. Religion was a creation of the neo-pallium to control, supress, repress, and inhibit the appetites and cravings of the archipallium. When Christians say, "The Devil made me do it", what they really mean is the archipallium. The archipallium is voice of the devil and the neopallium is the voice of God.

WhipTheHip -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 8:37:21 AM)
> you couldn't classify a cocaine addict as an addict, I classify a cocaine addict as an addict.

WhipTheHip -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 8:46:03 AM)
Sex, hunger, gambling, alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, heroin, self-mutilation all come from the archipallium. Each can become a compulsive behavior that is hard to control. They involve neurotransmitters and receptors like dopamine. They are influenced by hormones like testosterone and estrogen. The all involve endorphins. All cravings, appetites, and hungers come from the archipallium: "Mr. Hyde." The neopallium is Dr. Jeckell. The pursuit of endorphins is not spiritual.

Nimkii -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 9:20:34 AM)
so being a sadist does that mean I have some sort of mental disorder as well ?? Gee can I be can I be so I have have a new label so that I hvae a new comfort zone cause I can't except being the way I am cause I'm not like everybody else. can I can I. God some one serriously put a bullet in my head if I ever get to the point where I need to be labeled to fit in and feel comfortable in my own skin.

Aine -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 9:27:26 AM)
giggles

Morrigel -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 9:28:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip The pursuit of endorphins is not spiritual. Says who? This is a big planet, and there are a LOT of spiritual paths which require in-depth exploration and control of the body and its responses. Not all of these are ascetic, either. Some of them require endorphin floods to achieve the higher planes of consciousness. I wouldn't be quick to impose JudeoChristian dualisms on neurological science. Especially if you haven't done enough anthropological research to know how religious experience varies across the human spectrum. --M

WhipTheHip -> RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? (10/15/2006 9:30:35 AM)
I feel sorry for pedophiles. I, also, feel sorry for their victims. But it is hard to feel sorry for someone who full of anger and hate. I am a sado-masochist. I believe if f not for the grace of God or the luck of the genetic draw, we each could be pedophiles. Pedophiles are not sociopaths. They have a sexual compulsion. And we each ought to know what it is like to have a sexual compulsion, and not be able to satisfy it. It is like being a herion addict, and not being able to get a fix. Many gay men have unprotected sex even though they knowingly risk getting AIDS. Sexual urges can at times become uncontrollable compulsions. People ask why Clinton or Gary Hart were so stupid to risk everything they worked their entire lives for on fullfilling a sexual craving. This was no mystery to me. It has nothing to do with stupidity. Humans will do anything to satisfy a compulsion. I wonder how many humans could go through life never attempting to achieve sexual gratification because what they desired was immoral? Gays who believe homosexuality is against the bible, and by committing sodomy they are condemning their souls to Eternal damnation can't stop themselves. Religious fanatics who believe each act of masturbastion kills millions of souls still masturbate. I believed this when I was a teen, and the longest I could go was a year. I believed I was committing a sin equivalent to mass murder. For all pratical purposes that makes me a mass murderer. I wonder how many humans would have done better than I did with cravings I had? In effect, I am worse than a pedophile, because I did what I believed would lead to the deaths of millions of souls. If the whole universe was at stake, I coudn't have gone more than a year without masturbating. I think most people who think they could control themselves, if they were pedophiles just don't realize how strong a compulsion can be. People stop using herion, then again herion addicts have methodone, and the craving wanes with time. This is not the case with sexual compulsions. If everytime an obese person overeat, some child would die a horrible death. And if every obese peson knew this, innocent children would be dying all over the world. If eating human flesh disgusts you, you have a hard time sympathizing with Richard Dahmer. If sticking your private part in a shit hole doesn't turn you on, then it is hard to understand why gay men risk their lives to for this. If you find having sex with a prepubescent child sick and disgusting, it is hard to have sympathy for pedophiles. But I equate the above with every other compulsion. There have been times in my life when my sexual urges got the better of me, and would have got the better of me no matter the consequences, so I can put myself in the shoes of Richard Dahmer or gay men who do nasty things, and even pedophiles who destroy the lives of innocent children.

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