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Politics, an unlimit - 10/11/2006 8:53:39 PM   
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I have been in this forum for quite some time now, and have come to the conclusion that there is intelligent life here. Now, we have been talking politics for awhile too, but most of us have the ability to avoid being insultive to someone with whom we disagree. As Martha Stewart would say, that is a good thing.

For the most part we are discussing alot of world issues and problems. I do appreciate people bringing in the news, it is usualy news that your local action news didn't bother with. And this room knows no national borders, it is nice to know that sometimes, the People in other countries are on our side, that is of the People, not "our" government.

Now what to do about it.

One way is to let the system collapse under it's own weight. we really wouldn't have that long to wait. At the current trends the dollar is going to nose dive so what then ? We The People can go back to bartering, but what have they to offer ? Greed and killing, betrayal, of us directly and betrayal of what this country is supposed to stand for.

They made a mockery out of our Constitution shortly after the civil war. They made great strides in advancing government since then too, the calling in of all the gold. And 1933, and then a more prominent bump was the patriot act.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.

Now friends I am talking about a solution, and it would be nice if others joined my think tank or whatever. Why do so few bring this up ? Solutions. I agree that they are far and few between, but they do exist, we just haven't found them yet.

In the world, there are countries where the government struck an accord with the People, and they are doing well. On the other hand, the US gov touts freedom, but seems to take more of it away every chance they get.

This is sheer lunacy at the highest levels (we know of) of government.

We need to start small, if you've heard of Dr. No in congress, you might know he is representing Texas, at least his district. This is one of the few guys in there who actually do their job. Realize though, that he is only in congress, not the senate. Senator is actually a higher position than congressman, but then all is not lost.

If we had a few more congressmen on our side, they could put a fly in the ointment of the appointment of judges. Thay have other options too, like sending bills to committee. Thing is, Ron Paul is alone there, with some help something might happen.

Paul is squeaky clean. Surely they want rid of him, but they can't get him like they did Trafficant. That is a subject fir another time, but most of Trafficant's dirty was in the past. In fact his undoing came about because he trusted the wrong person. I liked Trafficant "OK we got $145,000 to study the mating habit of a tse tse fly, beam me up Scotty" . I'm sure no lobbyist paid him to say that, I think it was out of a sincere desire to represent us.

Where do we find these people though ? People who will buck the systen from within. People who will think of us first.

Perhaps out there somewhere of a city councilman or something who has this trait, that of being able to really represent the People. 

The only feasible way I see is to stack congress and jam up their porky bills and all that. Nominations etc.

If you know anyone who is totally fucking honest, preferably doesn't drink or smoke pot or has any dirty little secrets, and the have not been bought, perhaps they should be encouraged to run for office. I am thinking about tomorrow, for today's actions shape tomorrow.

Again, it does not make sense. Norad was unable to intercept and divert or destroy objrcts heading for the pentagon ? How can this be ?

I'll stay away from the subject of who these people woirk for, suffice it to say, they certainly do not sork for us. And because of their meddling, trying to make money in the middle east, the rest of the world has problems with us. They represent the folks who helped get them elected, that's all.

Without a revolution, our surest path is through the congress, get some help for the few who do represent us, and vote out those who do not. Then we go to the senate. It might be a thousand miles, but if nobody takes the first step, they never get there.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/11/2006 10:29:43 PM   
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quote:

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I have been in this forum for quite some time now, and have come to the conclusion that there is intelligent life here. Now, we have been talking politics for awhile too, but most of us have the ability to avoid being insultive to someone with whom we disagree. As Martha Stewart would say, that is a good thing.

For the most part we are discussing alot of world issues and problems. I do appreciate people bringing in the news, it is usualy news that your local action news didn't bother with. And this room knows no national borders, it is nice to know that sometimes, the People in other countries are on our side, that is of the People, not "our" government.

Now what to do about it.

One way is to let the system collapse under it's own weight. we really wouldn't have that long to wait. At the current trends the dollar is going to nose dive so what then ? We The People can go back to bartering, but what have they to offer ? Greed and killing, betrayal, of us directly and betrayal of what this country is supposed to stand for.

They made a mockery out of our Constitution shortly after the civil war. They made great strides in advancing government since then too, the calling in of all the gold. And 1933, and then a more prominent bump was the patriot act.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.

Now friends I am talking about a solution, and it would be nice if others joined my think tank or whatever. Why do so few bring this up ? Solutions. I agree that they are far and few between, but they do exist, we just haven't found them yet.

In the world, there are countries where the government struck an accord with the People, and they are doing well. On the other hand, the US gov touts freedom, but seems to take more of it away every chance they get.

This is sheer lunacy at the highest levels (we know of) of government.

We need to start small, if you've heard of Dr. No in congress, you might know he is representing Texas, at least his district. This is one of the few guys in there who actually do their job. Realize though, that he is only in congress, not the senate. Senator is actually a higher position than congressman, but then all is not lost.

If we had a few more congressmen on our side, they could put a fly in the ointment of the appointment of judges. Thay have other options too, like sending bills to committee. Thing is, Ron Paul is alone there, with some help something might happen.

Paul is squeaky clean. Surely they want rid of him, but they can't get him like they did Trafficant. That is a subject fir another time, but most of Trafficant's dirty was in the past. In fact his undoing came about because he trusted the wrong person. I liked Trafficant "OK we got $145,000 to study the mating habit of a tse tse fly, beam me up Scotty" . I'm sure no lobbyist paid him to say that, I think it was out of a sincere desire to represent us.

Where do we find these people though ? People who will buck the systen from within. People who will think of us first.

Perhaps out there somewhere of a city councilman or something who has this trait, that of being able to really represent the People. 

The only feasible way I see is to stack congress and jam up their porky bills and all that. Nominations etc.

If you know anyone who is totally fucking honest, preferably doesn't drink or smoke pot or has any dirty little secrets, and the have not been bought, perhaps they should be encouraged to run for office. I am thinking about tomorrow, for today's actions shape tomorrow.

Again, it does not make sense. Norad was unable to intercept and divert or destroy objrcts heading for the pentagon ? How can this be ?

I'll stay away from the subject of who these people woirk for, suffice it to say, they certainly do not sork for us. And because of their meddling, trying to make money in the middle east, the rest of the world has problems with us. They represent the folks who helped get them elected, that's all.

Without a revolution, our surest path is through the congress, get some help for the few who do represent us, and vote out those who do not. Then we go to the senate. It might be a thousand miles, but if nobody takes the first step, they never get there.

T


I agree with you about congressman Ron Paul. We need a lot more like him.

I personally know some very honest people who can see past the left vs. right smokescreen, and would stand for the people. However, they all have minor blemishes on record from many years past. They would never get past the scrutiny of the opposing side or the press. 

It's a shame, since they are far more honorable and worthy than most of the pigs-at-the-trough that are in office now.

We can still move towards a change by voting against democratic and republican incumbents, and for independent and 3rd party candidates. At least send the message that we know what's going on, and we aren't going to take their pigcrap anymore. Out of such an effort, some honest leaders are likely to emerge. At the very least, it'll weaken the existing structure of the powers-that-be.

But in the unlikely event that enough people band together, and we get far enough to truly threaten the powers-that-be, you can bet that they will stage a catastrophic event to get us back in line.

Remember, the powers-that-be are deeply entrenched. They've been running the show for nearly a century now.

I've said this all before... most scared and hungry people won't give a rat's ass about politics. They'll be too concerned about the basic necessities of life. 

Will the people manage to hold up, or will they look to the "government" to bail them out with their already-made solution... like they did during the Great Depression? 

Real change will require great sacrifice. The powers-that-be aren't about to simply step-aside and watch everything they've worked towards for so many years just go up in smoke. Is our self-endulged society up for the sacrifice?

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 1:52:14 AM   
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It's easy to point out that politics and sports bring out the worse in people.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 2:29:27 AM   
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One obvious improvement, in my opinion anyway, would be stop people going through the educational system, joining a political party and entering politics with NO experience of anything practical in the outside world. ie ensure that they had worked in or run a Whelk stall before entering politics.

Limit the numbers of any profession in the legislature.

Mao Tse Tung had a good idea. Force all government mandarins to work for 10 years digging ditches. It must have worked, look at China now. That experience would show how committed the mandarins really were to Public Service.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 4:58:34 AM   
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It's amazing how supporting a party or person can make your best friends become your worst enimies. Windows are broken just because of support stickers. Stores loose costomers over an owners vote. A simple "Vote for Bla" puts people into road rage. A mere bumper sticker can cause your car to be keyed and tires slashed. What causes ones anger to be that out of controll?

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 5:15:05 AM   
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quote:

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Will the people manage to hold up, or will they look to the "government" to bail them out with their already-made solution... like they did during the Great Depression? 



From a British perspective, the concept of Government is not the issue. The issue is we have the wrong people in this Government. I personally see the priniciple of Government being an elected body who act in the interests of all of its citizens. The problem we have is we've elected a Government (and have done for centuries) that is pandering to interest groups like Murdoch at the expense of the people.

I agree with Termyn8or's point that it's a long road to turn things around and I also agree with the point that when push comes to shove personal economic interest tends to triumph at the expense of the bigger picture. The reason it triumphs is through a lack of education to enable people to see that personal economic interest is the short-term and a slump will be just around the corner. That's why, as Termyn8tor suggested, we need educated people to make the effort, stand by their principles and be heard.

If you know anyone who is totally fucking honest, preferably doesn't drink or smoke pot or has any dirty little secrets, and the have not been bought, perhaps they should be encouraged to run for office. I am thinking about tomorrow, for today's actions shape tomorrow.
 
Personally, I couldn't give a flying one if the top man get's his cock sucked now again or smokes a bit of weed or visits rent boys on a Saturday afternoon. What matters is we are Governed with the people in mind rather than Murdoch and business interests.



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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 5:27:41 AM   
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It's a sad situation, politics seems to attract the worst kind of people, or bring the worst out in them in the long run. It's not about service to the people, it's about power, gaining power, keeping power, then ultimatly, service to the people who sustain your power. I know a physician who trained with Sen Bill Frist [R-Tn] in residency. He said Bill was a dedicated & skilled Doctor who wanted to be a transplant surgeon. Then we see him on the TV diagnosing Terri Schaivo's condition off a video tape. Did he actually believe what he was saying? Probably not, but he was pandering to those who write the checks & vote with blinders on. While I believe term limits to be unconstitutional, [denying the free will of the people artificially], I think they are the best current solution.
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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 5:28:21 AM   
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The problem we have is we've elected a Government (and have done for centuries) that is pandering to interest groups like Murdoch at the expense of the people.



If governments don't keep the support of special interest groups that maintain them, whether it be corporations or unions, they will be undermined and cease to be a government. It's a balancing act. Also governments tend to be coalitions, even if all its members are of the same party, therefore compromise is inevitable. I can't remember who said it but 'politics is the art of the possible'. You have to compromise your position to get anything done or you can stick to your principles and do nothing and just beat your chest on the sideline saying 'it's not my fault.'.

It seems that block class interest has been left in the past, at least for now. The electorate is more fluid and so parties are built on shifting sands without strong foundations so they can't afford to be radical, even if radical policies are required. That's politics I'm afraid.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 5:36:21 AM   
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Isn't Ron Paul the Congressman who submits a Bill to Congress every year to get us out of the "U.N."?
I like him and every year that Bill gets more votes!

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 6:07:22 AM   
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If you know anyone who is totally fucking honest, preferably doesn't drink or smoke pot or has any dirty little secrets, and the have not been bought, perhaps they should be encouraged to run for office.

There is no such people, everybody has something buried away in their past (or rather blatantly there in their present). There are only people who have managed to bury their indiscretions deepl enough that they don't show, and those tend to be professional politicians, the very sort we want to avoid, and the very sort who insiost that anyone in public office be as pure as the driven snow.
Think about this...Winston Churchill could NEVER get elected today.
This is a unique moment, I actually agree with something NorthernGent said (GASP!!! pass the smelling salts quick!), I really don't give a rat's ass what they do in their private time (or even if they get head under the desk while in the office). I don't care what gender page makes them all hot and bothered, all that matters is if they will work for the common weal, and not their own enrichment.


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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 8:14:33 AM   
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Getting out of the U.N., now there's the answer to all out problems. Does anyone know who said, "Never underestimate the power of morons in large numbers?"

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 10:51:25 AM   
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If you know anyone who is totally fucking honest, preferably doesn't drink or smoke pot or has any dirty little secrets, and the have not been bought, perhaps they should be encouraged to run for office.

There is no such people, everybody has something buried away in their past (or rather blatantly there in their present). There are only people who have managed to bury their indiscretions deepl enough that they don't show, and those tend to be professional politicians, the very sort we want to avoid, and the very sort who insiost that anyone in public office be as pure as the driven snow.
Think about this...Winston Churchill could NEVER get elected today.
This is a unique moment, I actually agree with something NorthernGent said (GASP!!! pass the smelling salts quick!), I really don't give a rat's ass what they do in their private time (or even if they get head under the desk while in the office). I don't care what gender page makes them all hot and bothered, all that matters is if they will work for the common weal, and not their own enrichment.



lol Arpig, there's a compliment in there somewhere and I'll return the favour - as you say, we're all the same, we all have our sordid (open to debate what is sordid, I'm speaking of the society's view) little part of our minds that we only open up to the select few. 

We don't need Florence Nightengale running the show, we need someone/group with a pair of bollocks who can see beyond the current style of Government and do the right thing by the majority of people.



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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 11:50:13 AM   
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All governments eventually crush themselves under their own weight once they get big enough.

A Decade ago, the U.S. was the big boy on the block - only Super Power and Super Economy.  Now, the E.U. and Southeast Asia are becoming economic powerhouses on the same scale as the U.S.  Even if the U.S. is still the only Super Power, we can't use it because it's not our style anymore.  (Unless you "wake the sleeping giant", then we tend to get pissy ;-)

Since WWII, we've been giving back instead of taking.  We could have made colonies out of Germany and Japan or made them pay reparations like Germany had to pay after WWI, but that didn't work.  So, we pumped billions into Europe and Japan and our "old enemies" became economically powerful friends and our friends had an opportunity to rebuild and recharge their economy.  Great Britian and France didn't get stronger by anything the U.S. did; we just gave them the tools that allowed them to do it faster.

Was the U.S. being nice?  In a way, but it made sense economically for us.  If these other countries have money and stuff, we can trade.

As for the Super Power stuff - it was refreshing to have NATO willing to enact Article V after 9/11.  Most people considered Article V would be enacted when the USSR attacked Western Europe and those members of NATO wanted America to intervene.  Having Western Europe offer to enact Article V for the U.S. was much appreciated and shows that when things get bad and no matter how much we bicker, we all can count on our friends.

(FYI - NATO Article V states, in part, that "an armed attack against one or more [allies] shall be considered an attack against them all.")

Within the next several decades, the U.S. will go the way of the Greeks, and Persians, and Babylonians, and Romans, and Mongols, and Chinese, and French, and Spanish, and British, etc.  Some other country (or collection of countries) will be the Super Power until such time that they implode under their own weight.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/12/2006 7:34:57 PM   
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Getting out of the UN would be good. When NAMBLA has consultant status and they define peace as the absence of opposition, well I certainly don't want them here.

Perhaps we need to set the bar a bit lower to find good politicians. No warrants, no drug charges since college at least, no Wife beating.

I'd run, and I would do my job. I believe my ethics and intelligence would make me a good Man for the job, but there are a few problems. In my misspent youth I got into some trouble, and I had the misfortune to have a business and money. I bought my way out of more trouble than most people have had in a lifetime. Actually I wish I'd gottten slammed really hard the first time, I may have learned my lesson earlier in life.

I also drink and smoke and smoke, and if they find them, some very politically incorrect postings on the web, something some of you may know. What's more there may have been some times when I was a bit inebriated and actually went farther than I wanted to, but honestly, my real views are a bit too harsh for many people. Even after all the compromises I would like to see this country get alot harsher on people who cheat, steal, maim and kill, and alot easier on people who really can't afford to pay their taxes, say things that are not nice, defend themselves, and basically try to do good.

I'll tell you what the first piece of legislation I would introduce, or very close to first, would stop companies from gouging the US. A new tax on corporations only, if you charge more in the US for any product that you sell overseas, the new tax on that difference  would be 150%. This would be coupled with lower overall tax rates. The amount of money colllected by the new tax would DIRECTLY fund a seperate tax deduction for taxpayers. For prescription drugs of course. This would be one healthy write off, and even if paid by insurance, the taxpayer still gets the deduction. The gov might even make a few bucks, but it would be written right in that 80% goes directly to the people in their income tax returns or abatements. Wanna see some change fast ?

As much as I am against using tax code as a means of social engineering, this is more corporate behavior engineering. Corporations become big and powerful and fleece people every day. With teams of lawyers they win lawsuits they should lose. This windfall is not right. It is perpetrated on the American People, as such it identifies the offenders as either enemies or criminals.

There is a concept in Law that a corporation is sort of a strawman, and therefore operates as a person in a courtroom. Otherwise it would be hard to litigate cases between private individuals and corporations.

Within this concept, however, is that the operators of the strawman are indeed responsible for it's actions. If they are raping the American-US population for private gain, they are guilty of a crime. They might not be actually guilty of treason, at least not all of them, but they are definitely guilty of felonies.

But then when the CIA briefs the Commander in Chief with false and misleading information, the is high treason, and he should be hanged. Everybody else did it too, but I think it stinks at the highest level, I think that Bush wanted it that way to further the plan. The plan is to make alot of money.

Let me digress into sociology for a moment. They are not that smart.. they are repleat with US dollars, and while they might have copious amounts of foreign currency, alot of their money is still in dollars, if it weren't somebody would catch wind of it. Now the USD drops like a rock, don't even think of looking it up on the internet, listen to me, when the value of your house has tripled since 89, that means your dollar is worth 33 cents. With the proviso that there have been no major improvements. That is NOT property value going up, it is the dollars going down.

Now if you have alot of dollars, there is only one way to kep your current level of "wealth", and that is to make an exponentially larger amount of money every year, or whatever time period you chose to use. It is inevitable that eventually they want it all. It is the same flaw in personality causing this as any addiction, and therefore is irrational. Let's put it this way, if you have say a billion dolars, why would you need more ? That, in and of itself is irrational. But they want to buy power. It's like a game of Monopoly to them, sometimes they play against each other, but mostly against us.

OK, enough for now, but here is the coup de etat.

Who among the present candidates would do this ?

Just who chose those candidates ?

If we don't get some fingers into that process we are doomed to an armed conflict, years down the road. Either that or the total collapse of the dollar. Neither is a bright future.

If we can actually accomplish something, there needs to be another arm of the movement. We go to the polls actually and try to get everyone who voted to send back a private ballot. We explain to them on the way out, because I think it is unlawful to impede anyone on their way to vote. But by polling on the paper level, we might uncover vote fraud., there is no paper trail in alot of places. I am sure they are crooked, I just don't know how crooked. What if we found that everybody voted for this one but it didn't count right, and the other won. How much you want to bet the incumbent won ?

Point is, you can't trust anyone anymore. As Lou Reed put it " It takes a busload of faith to get by " . If I thought the human spirit wouldn't prevail eventually, I wouldn't be here. It will, but will it start in my lifetime ?

Will a glimpse of hope be in front of me before I return to the dust ? Will I ever see the light at the end of this tunnel ?

Perhaps with the nasty shit I've done in the past I do not deserve to see a better world, perhaps I am already destined to die. Does that mean nobody should care about their children just to provide a temporary hell for me ? That is the deal, if you let things go on the way they do, your kids will suffer, if we can just get something going on soon, there may be hope. I have no kids (I know of, look for me on Maury), and because other alternatives are very nasty, we should try to do something.

Without influencing government like we should, the future is bleak in either case, we basically become a third world country.

It is not that it might happen, it WILL happen if we don't act soon, and effectively. We need another Ron Paul, and actually we need alot of them. Then we go after the senate. There is no replacement for popular support.

If we had gotten one of our guys in the senate, Bush might not be President now. Of course the alternative was no better, but it seems the second term is the worst, they grow some really big balls. They know they can't be reelected, so they do whatever they want.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/16/2006 6:59:02 PM   
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In the spirit of this thread, which is to seek solutions, I reply to myself here and all you, with a bit of an idea.

I crunch numbers without numerals, I realize that numerals are mere representations of concepts, so here are the numbers. There are 100 senators and some 430 odd congressmen. There is one President.

The way I see it our short list is either get Ron Paul into the senate where his decision has 1/100th weight, rather than in congress where it is like 1/400th, or to concentrate on the worst politicians. That is the most greedy and nasty. One or the other to start.

One thing I would like to look into soon is the records of the rest of the body of reps that Texas sends to Capitol hill. Strategy is the reason. Paul has so much popular support he might never lose. Now to send him to the senate effectively gives him four votes compared to what he has now. This would be a step in the right direction.

He might have valid reasons for not wanting the job as well, this must be considered, as does his age.

Conversely we could try to find those politicians who are the worst, bought off and paid for and don't care a bit about the People. I'll have to look into these things soon. It would be impossible to do anything in this election, so we got two years.

Perhaps I'll look into the worst legislation and find out who introduced it. See, we can't fight a war on 500 fronts. We must focus on one or two goals, and achieve them. Not only is this encouraging, getting the right people in might make peoples' lives better, which will probably do the utmost to garner more public support. This will further the cause.

Folks, I do not want an armed conflict with the government, and not just because I am afraid. Don't get me wrong, I AM afraid. They got a hell of alot of firepower. But the thing is, not enough of the People support it. People who organize a revolution without enough popular support are wrong, and do a disservice to those who really want to improve ther human condition.

There is also a way to send a message to those politicians on the fence, those who are not 100% crooked. Send them a message, we don't care how many TV ads you run or who backs you from the business sector, if you represent us, we will guarantee you a vote from each and every one of us. If you take bribes (lobbying, which should be illegal), and vote for big money, we will guarantee you our votes for your opponent, each and every one of us.

Let's say all the reps from Texas are on the same page, not only to get out of the UN, but actually threaten to seceed from the union. This will never happen, even if they start making noises about it again they know the feds will keep the territory no matter what, to the death of the last Man, Woman and child if necessary. But such noises would be a declaration to the world, and extreme vote of no confidence.

Ohio and Pennsylvania also have the right to seceed, but will never even think about it. Ohio actually is not a state. Technically because Ohio's statehood is unconstitutional. "No retroactive Law shall be passed", but in 1953 they got statehood, retroactively to 1803. I would admit fully that Ohio became a state in 1953, but the retroactive part is null and void in Law. Actually it matters not, it is who has the most guns and the keys to the jail doors. The idea now is that might makes right.

We The People have the right to alter or abolish the government, but the time is not right.

Now comes the moral test. Even by concentrating on getting good people elected, it might not be the best thing to do. The ogliarchs will collapse under their own weight, so it might be in Our best interest to get rid of all the good ones and get the greediest bastards possible (if we haven't already), and they will take and take and take, that would accelerate the process.

I think the main point here is whether we a have a reasonable chance of success. Perhaps we can get some good people in there and make a change for the better, which should forestall their collapse. Is it inevitable ? If so we would be doing wrong. We need to think into the future, postulate and reason, after all, they do. That's how they got there.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/16/2006 8:00:57 PM   
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Getting out of the U.N., now there's the answer to all out problems. Does anyone know who said, "Never underestimate the power of morons in large numbers?"


Sure Pete, just what we need to be paying for, tens of thousands of international beurocrats sitting at desks writing "memos" to one another for $80k per year and a pension system paid for largely by the U.S. Taxpayers!
And do you think they'll be going home to their own third world countries when they retire?
Have they found that $22b that they "misplaced" during the oil for food program yet?
CUM-BAY-AH!

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/16/2006 8:14:33 PM   
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Isn't Ron Paul the Congressman who submits a Bill to Congress every year to get us out of the "U.N."?
I like him and every year that Bill gets more votes!


Popeye....

Ron Paul is pure ''Americana''  - He's the closest thing to a modern day Andrew Jackson that Congress has had in the last decade. And to the poster who mentioned that we need more like him......Oh man are you correct.



 - R

Edited to add :  Here is a link to a bill which is co-sponsred by Ron Paul, putting Bush on the spot with regard to the forceful removal of Iran's current govenment.

http://www.kucinich.us/archive/home/display.php?src=k_20061004_vena_cynaf_erdhrfg.cuc#more

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.res.01066:


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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/16/2006 9:28:05 PM   
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Refer to the humor thread, where the accountant is deaf and the lawyer knows sign language. What would you do ?

They found the money, in fact they did it the microsecond it was "lost". Of course they found the money, they watch it all the time. What they ought to watch is the trend of people waking up to the fact that all they do is steal. Not just the UN, but the US, state, county and local governments. If I were Statert I would've said "It's my job to cover up scandals and try to get everything to blow over quietly, instead of what is happening now". That is his job. You must stand with your co-thieves and protect them from harm, and that means finacial harm too. Fact of life.

Yes, they found the money, they found it exactly where they put it. Case closed.

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RE: Politics, an unlimit - 10/16/2006 9:32:10 PM   
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Oops, Hastert

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