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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/23/2005 6:40:35 PM   
MizSuz


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I always capitalise my investment income, rather than spend it.



HAHAHAHAHAHA

Now THAT was funny!


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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/23/2005 6:49:40 PM   
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I've seen very few people who do written English well enough the proper way to justify learning a form that is only marginally useful to an extremely small subset of a subset.

We could all stand to be better at it the way it's SUPPOSED to be done. Adding those rules only muddies the water more, to my mind.

If I were a responsible dominant concerned with the way my submissive writes I'd require they learn the proper way to write first. Frankly, I'd be more likely to ask them to learn another accepted language before I asked them to learn conventions that will only serve to deteriorate or confuse their current skill sets. If someone asks why it's done I'll explain to them the conventions, but I personally prefer to leave them alone.

My ego is not so fragile that I need someone to validate me with every written word. The submissive would get more use out of "a daily word" or "a daily grammar rule" or "weekly spelling tests" than the online conventions heaped upon online novices. They'd certainly do more to enrich the submissive's skill sets to address across a wider spectrum.

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/23/2005 6:55:33 PM   
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joy, I'm sure you are not hurting anyone. Do what you think is best. I personally did not do chat much so never learned that way of address. Regarding third person writing, it is hard for me to follow. I know slaves do it because they don't have an identity; it belongs to their Master. They write like that to show respect and protocol. I say keep doing it and if someone doesn't want to read it, they won't.

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/23/2005 7:14:46 PM   
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It appears that you are not in the minority songbird.

The "case" conventions that many people use are pretty much a non-issue for me. I hardly notice them.

I have to agree, writing in the third person strikes me as very affected, as you say. Its so easy for people (and they do) to hide behind the perceived roles that are a part of the D/s culture. My impression (and I could be wrong) is that most of the "slaves" and/or "subs" that write in the third person are acting out some fantasy. When I have the sense that a woman is role-playing its the kiss of death in regards to any interest I might have in her.

I know this is a common convention in the Gorean tradition and I'm sure that there are some that actually are completely sincere and at home in portraying themselves in such a detached way. It simply strikes me as dehumanizing and I generally find it to be a turn-off. But then, I'm not into Gorean.

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/23/2005 8:17:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Atavist
It simply strikes me as dehumanizing and I generally find it to be a turn-off. But then, I'm not into Gorean.



Hmm..dehumanising and objectifying...I could get to like kind of affection..I mean affectation


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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/23/2005 10:08:14 PM   
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Dont do the M/me thing but will admit I often get carried away and forget to go I ... so it ends up as i


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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 2:51:26 AM   
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From my perspective, I would have to disagree about the sub/slave 'acting out a fantasy' statement. If I speak in third, its not so much 'my' wish... but more of a reaction to the Dominants will I am serving at the time. Some Dominants like it...some do not. I show my respect to a person by listening and moving into the space they feel comfortable with once I am in the space of service to them. It isnt a 'fantasy', its something that comes naturally... For myself its no different than using certain words and spellings of words depending on who I was speaking to. If speaking in a letter or typing to someone from the states... I would be more inclined to 'honor'... than to 'honour'(in the case of a UK person)... verbally, I would use a word that was appropriate for the person in question. The word 'ass' is used infrequently in the UK... in fact it has a comical edge. The words 'arse' or 'backside' would be used instead.

It can be sign of seperation. In become the 'third person'... it can take away responsibility. It offers up a submissive or slave from the 'self' to the 'selfless', allowing the submissive/slave to be free to express themself which is nothing less than what the Dominant desires. For example: 'The Chair will move, but not by itself, only if I move it' - if that makes sense?

Yes, some people use it as a form of humiliation and objectification. Again thats just another fetish is this wonderful world. If it appeals to someone and not yourself... doesnt make it any less viable or something to be mocked.


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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 6:00:29 AM   
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dark~angel, I certainly wasn't mocking you or anyone else, just giving my impressions.

If you go back and read the post you'll see that I said that some people are sincere in their use of the third person. Obviously you are one of them.

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 7:21:15 AM   
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Given the fact that i don't cap my i but do cap You and adding the fact that my spelling and grammer sucks. Post posts no doubt causes You much irritation. If that is the case i am deeply sorry.

i enjoy exchanging ideas with You very much and would be sad if You decided to scroll past my posts because of how i type as apposed to what i type. i know of course that it is Your choice to make and You will do what You think is right.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MizSuz

I've seen very few people who do written English well enough the proper way to justify learning a form that is only marginally useful to an extremely small subset of a subset.

We could all stand to be better at it the way it's SUPPOSED to be done. Adding those rules only muddies the water more, to my mind.

If I were a responsible dominant concerned with the way my submissive writes I'd require they learn the proper way to write first. Frankly, I'd be more likely to ask them to learn another accepted language before I asked them to learn conventions that will only serve to deteriorate or confuse their current skill sets. If someone asks why it's done I'll explain to them the conventions, but I personally prefer to leave them alone.

My ego is not so fragile that I need someone to validate me with every written word. The submissive would get more use out of "a daily word" or "a daily grammar rule" or "weekly spelling tests" than the online conventions heaped upon online novices. They'd certainly do more to enrich the submissive's skill sets to address across a wider spectrum.



sweet,
thanks for your words
third party speach is hard for me to follow also. i kinda get why they do it though and i'm getting better at reading it.
lil_joy

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetpleaser

joy, I'm sure you are not hurting anyone. Do what you think is best. I personally did not do chat much so never learned that way of address. Regarding third person writing, it is hard for me to follow. I know slaves do it because they don't have an identity; it belongs to their Master. They write like that to show respect and protocol. I say keep doing it and if someone doesn't want to read it, they won't.

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 9:18:45 AM   
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Just to clarify my point, here, I don't have so much of a problem with submissives doing this. In most cases, I figure that they're doing as they're told or have been trained previously, and are doing it out of either respect or trained habit. Which is fine! Respect and training are good things! Sometimes it can get over the top--with obsessive lowercasing or badly-done third person--but really, my beef here is with the dominants. The ones who capitalize 'me' and 'mine' and 'my' when corresponding privately or on boards, or the ones who go so far as to refer to themselves as "This One" or "This Lord." Yeah. That's really where I run into the eyestrain problem (all that rolling and glazing over, you know, it can be tough!).

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 9:21:53 AM   
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I think that reading an entire paragraph that has anything to do with dominants in caps is far better then trying to read one that is meant for all orientations and is filled with H/he, S/she, W/we, T/they and so on. I see that and I don't even try, hell, I can barely type it.

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 9:25:47 AM   
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Atavist

Goodness, forgive me. That was Angels mistake... bad English.

When I mentioned mocking, that was not aimed at You. But I can certainly see how my words gave you that impression. It was meant to be a statement as a whole. That people should not mock someone, just because they do not agree. Angels posts' always tend to end with a final statement to try to round up what she means as a whole.

Please accept my apology and thank You for responding and showing me my writing error. I will make sure that I do not make such an error again.

Peace and Love


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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 9:33:57 AM   
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dark~angel,

No harm, no foul, nothing to forgive (but I forgive you anyway) (:

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 10:05:00 AM   
MizSuz


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quote:

Given the fact that i don't cap my i but do cap You and adding the fact that my spelling and grammer sucks. Post posts no doubt causes You much irritation. If that is the case i am deeply sorry.

i enjoy exchanging ideas with You very much and would be sad if You decided to scroll past my posts because of how i type as apposed to what i type. i know of course that it is Your choice to make and You will do what You think is right.


joy,

Your writing style doesn't bother me. I enjoy your posts as well. While there are some who are extremely difficult to read, I don't find yours to be so. It's kind of you to concern yourself with it, but please be at ease.

If your dominant wishes you to use the "BDSM conventions" then your first responsibility is to him/her. I'm as guilty as the next of poor grammar. I was simply stating my personal preference and my attitude about 'requirements' for submissives, my submissives.

There are a few posters here that I skip over completely, but very few. I'm more likely to skip a thread because the topic doesn't catch my interest. As for the specific people I skip over, it's usually those who have emphatically stated that they refuse to even try to become more legible. I figure if they don't want to be understood then I'm certainly not going to wade through their posts trying to understand them.




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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 7:10:39 PM   
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Just to throw my two cents in here (cause I can)...

The whole cap/third person thing is an online invention, and, like the hanky code, it serves a purpose. It quickly identifies the style of slave/sub you are without a lengthy conversation. Truth is, it works quite well, a lot better than the hanky code ever did.

Personally, I used to think it was fun to chat with experienced online subs/slaves and ask them not to cap my initials and lower case theirs. It drove them nuts...

Taggard

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 8:18:44 PM   
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M. Taggard-

It is so great to see you back- hope you will be around for a while now...

Stay warm,

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 9:58:53 PM   
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~sends You BIG ol bear hugs and LOTS of them~
Thank You
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ORIGINAL: MizSuz


joy,

Your writing style doesn't bother me. I enjoy your posts as well. While there are some who are extremely difficult to read, I don't find yours to be so. It's kind of you to concern yourself with it, but please be at ease.

If your dominant wishes you to use the "BDSM conventions" then your first responsibility is to him/her. I'm as guilty as the next of poor grammar. I was simply stating my personal preference and my attitude about 'requirements' for submissives, my submissives.

There are a few posters here that I skip over completely, but very few. I'm more likely to skip a thread because the topic doesn't catch my interest. As for the specific people I skip over, it's usually those who have emphatically stated that they refuse to even try to become more legible. I figure if they don't want to be understood then I'm certainly not going to wade through their posts trying to understand them.





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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/24/2005 10:58:59 PM   
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I chat on yahoo and I only cap my name and Dominats when in a Dominat mood and lower cas mine when feeling submissive i do this be cause that is the way they talk and they usually ask me to do so if I forget. Otherwise I don't do any of that Caps and lowercase crap unless reading a person's posts if they use their name and it is not Caps then I tend to do the same to their name in their posts as that is the way they perfer it I guess. To those that are offended You can't change me and you never will!

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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/25/2005 12:38:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: songbird26

All right, I know I'm probably in the minority, here. And I know that as a relative newbie, I'd do better to adjust than to complain, but honestly, this is just *irking* me:

the habit of Capitalizing Any Reference To The Dominant and lowercasing any reference to the submissive. I know that it's a generally-accepted convention, and I don't mind at all when it's being used properly as a title (Master, Mistress, etc. when being used as direct address by another). But I can't help but cringe when I get emails full of "you will submit to Me and My Dominant Ways because I have experience with yada yada," or, even WORSE, when the dominant refers to himself in the third person (capitalized, of course!). It's so affected, and strikes me as so impossibly silly, and just makes me want to giggle, thus completely negating the point. And it's improper English, to boot, and my poor little English major soul is crying out for mercy.

Anyone else have this issue? Am I alone out in the wilderness here, with my hardcore proper usage issues? *grin* I'll understand entirely if I am. But I still won't respond to those emails.



Songbird-
I HATE "crazee caps"!! They drive me insane!! You are not alone in your issue with this.
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RE: The Capitalization Conundrum - 1/25/2005 1:07:17 AM   
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I capitalize proper nouns - including subbie names unless they inform me that they feel more comfortable being jan, clair, mark and drew.

I refer to any Dom/me with capitalized letters unless I do not respect them in which case they become a dom/me. I use it to designate my lack of respect for them.

I do capitalize Dominant... as in I am a Dominant (not a dominate!). But I do not think I need to capitalize every word that refers to me. When someone dies and makes me God/dess I'll rethink that. Until then I'm human and I'm prone to errors, screw ups and other whoopses. If other people want to do that fine! Let them. I don't get twitchy. I don't think it's my place to chastise them or tell them how to refer to themselves. I'll keep to myself and mind my own business since it isn't hurting me or anyone I care about.

If someone wants me to pay attention to them I do require them to take a stab at using proper English. Being a bit of an English nut I ache mentally when forced to try to read "ar ur kan recogniz me now? YES?A? Why u do n't anrepl?"

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