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beltainefaerie -> Making marks last (10/13/2006 5:04:46 PM)

I adore the marks I get, and I treasure them especially since I do not mark all that easily.  I do have fairly pale skin, but for whatever reason, it is just hard to mark me. What can I do to make my marks last a little longer?  I know that they are meant to heal, but a few days to admire them would be nice.  Also, does anyone have suggestions for anything I could take or do to mark more easily?  I am usually hit with floggers, canes, and a variety of crops/flicker whip instruments.  The crops used to mark me beautifully, but do not as much any more.  Am I getting used to it and healing faster?
I've seen a few threads about healing bruises more quickly, but hopefully someone has advice on getting them to stay.  Thanks!



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Making marks last (10/13/2006 5:17:57 PM)

Likely it simply is your body reacting and beefing up your healing.  Give it a break and it will lose its tolerance.

Stick with the canes, and you might want to get into cutting.



littlespike -> RE: Making marks last (10/13/2006 6:15:42 PM)

Hi beltainefaerie

i remember my first marks.  It was about a year and a half ago.  I served well (chef and server) at a photoshoot/party my (now) Mistress had thrown.  I made my favorite Chicken Caccatori and everyone loved it.  I am a gourmet chef and love to serve.

Well after the photoshoot my Mistress friend offered to do something that I wanted.  She was the one who introduced me to me (now) Mistress.  I had been in the scene for some months but had very limited playing experience.  Well i chose to try some flogging.  So my Mistress friends took turns.  My (now) Mistress went second.  Hers was a thundering thud effect which shook me to my bones.  We had been argueing about my lack of attention earlier, and it was great for her to let off some steam.  There was almost no stinging but i really enjoyed the sensation.  Needless to say i was marked up for about a week and the stinging sensation lasted two or three days. 

i was so proud of my first marks.  i showed them to my then roommate.  Who was an ex-proDomme in Hollywood.  She was really cool about it.

But in about a week the marks were like memories.  Faded away. 

The ratan is like a light cane.  It is thiner than a cane so the force of the impact is stronger.  It makes strong marks, but the stinging effect is much stronger.  But i would suggest that you do something for your Domme/Dom and then ask for some marks as a reward.  I am sure that if your top is motivated some marks would be an easy thing. 

Here are some picture of my Mistress and me: http://www.homepage.bannerzzz.com/ 

littlespike



beltainefaerie -> RE: Making marks last (10/13/2006 10:07:41 PM)

my Master loves to mark me, it is just that, as I said, I am difficult to mark.  The cane usually does it, but even that doesn't always.  I don't so much need advice on how to get someone to willingly mark me, as I have that covered.  More, I was looking for suggestions on making the marks I get last and on any suggestions for getting my body to mark more easily.  Would asprin, as a bloodthinner help, possibly?  (Of course just taking a normal dosage) 



Mavis -> RE: Making marks last (10/13/2006 10:45:24 PM)

The aspirin sold for heart healthy use , 81 mg, put out by bayer, is pretty low dosage as long as your stomach tolerates it,  and definately you will bruise easier.  Used for two days before a session, you'll probably notice a difference in bruising, although they might be deeper brusies, and show up later / last longer.  If you don't tolerate aspirin well, pickle juice is supposed to have the same "blood thinning " properties, but i'd run a google on that before buying the theory.

Please remember though, if you do things that will open the skin,  or if you have a shaving accident or anything, you'll bleed more than usual.  Also, remember, i could be a sick fuck sadist that wants to see someone seriously hurt!   Don't take my advice, do some research on safe use of aspirin for your age and health status.  Ask Pharmacy if you can mix aspirin with your current prescriptions, etc.   Due diligence as always.  And probably also a good idea to let your play partner know if you've taken meds, over the counter or not.

enjoy!

(edited to add, the "sick fuck sadist" was not to disparage the sadists that add so much to play everywhere, it was a joke intended to point out CM posters are not solid medical advisors. )



littlespike -> RE: Making marks last (10/13/2006 10:50:54 PM)

Hi beltainefaerie

i did some searching on Google and CollarMe.

Marks for someone who does not mark easily  - http://www.collarchat.com/m_241382/mpage_1/key_mark%252Cmore%252Ceasily/tm.htm#241382

This looks interestinng. The last post says something about using blood thinners a couple of days ahead of time to make marking a little easier.....  They also said something about using a warm towel before hand.  But read on, i hope that this helps a little....

happy marks
little spike



SWSYD -> RE: Making marks last (10/14/2006 2:36:06 AM)

Another thing to consider is to pick a body part that marks easily - inner thighs are great as they seem to bruise easily. 



KatyLied -> RE: Making marks last (10/14/2006 4:32:50 AM)

The best results for me have been:  1) cane; 2) rope bondage tied tightly and left on for a long period of time (during the day and all night).  The ropes leave rope burn marks on my skin that can last for weeks (really).  It may help that my skin is very sensitive.



spankmepink11 -> RE: Making marks last (10/14/2006 5:10:57 AM)

The Evil stick makes excellent marks that  last a good while....Evil Stick Family TM



MagiksSlave -> RE: Making marks last (10/14/2006 7:56:05 PM)

take a photo they last longer

Magik's slave



LadyHugs -> RE: Making marks last (10/14/2006 8:23:27 PM)

Dear beltainefaerie, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Making marks last, is really about the skin and how 'leathered' or used it is.  At times, moving to a different spot can give you marks to carry for a while but, like MagiksSlave said--taking photographs, they last forever.
 
Here are some of my techniques for those wishing marks as a reward.
Asprin or Ibprofin (with doctor's consultation/approval) 36 hours ahead of time and maintained to the time of the scene.  I also like a steamed hot towel to lay over an individual's targeted zones.  I also do not use any warm up strokes.  I put the slave into the "German" position or English position.  If I want to be frisky, I have a slave steady themselves into a partial squat, having the thigh muscle strained as to make it bow, as if you're making a muscle on the arm and then strike with an heavy quick stroke, like a sharp rap.  I use a modified Middle Eastern stroke.  If I have them in the English position, which is hands on the seat part of a chair, their back level, I strike the buttocks with the English style stroke or perhaps German style stroke.  I also use two canes, one in each hand as a slave stands and then send them both forward, as if to clap my hands. If the slave is on their toes, marks will show but if flat footed, most times no marks appear as the canes strike the thigh and back of the leg.  At times I have two canes in each hand, with a total of four and send them forward.  Rolling my wrist, the canes alter their position and thus change the pattern for the stroke.  [Note: Explaination of styles and positions are at; www.iron-rose.com 's library under Lady Hugs The Art and Style of Caning; its in two parts.  ]
 
After the strokes, I do not touch the site.  Touching, petting or rubbing allows the blood to circulate and mutes the marks some.  It is always good to take a long rest period, such as weeks between impact play that mark. 
 
That said--you know your body best.  Be mindful of your body's health and safety first! 
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 



beltainefaerie -> RE: Making marks last (10/15/2006 10:01:32 AM)

Thank you so much for the suggestions!  I promise to be careful and aware that you are not medical professionals : )  We will definitely be trying out the suggestions that sound workable for us.  Thank you especially, LadyHugs for the detailed descriptions.

spankmepink11, the evil sticks look interesting and scary all at once.  Are they In some pictures they look almost like a wire and in others they look like a kind of plastic.  What is the "space-age" material like? In any event, we may need to try one of those.

MagiksSlave, I do like the suggestion of taking pictures, as they certainly do last longer.  I treasure a few from the cupping we did a while back.  I do however try not to take many pics, as I am an educator.  Alas, we must be more careful than many. 

Also, it does just sound like good common sense to not bruise over bruises, but as mentioned, I heal rapidly when I bruise at all.  Why would weeks between such markings be advisable (assuming that the marks were healed earlier than that)?

Thanks again and I do look forward to any further suggestions people have.



LadyHugs -> RE: Making marks last (10/15/2006 10:30:51 AM)

Dear beltainefaerie, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Reasoning behind weeks in between heavy impact, is that the body has a chance to recover.  It isn't being conditioned that way, as if running a race, running every day--or impact every day.
 
Conditioning is called 'leathering.'  It toughens up the skin and underlying tissues, to include blood vessels and feeder veins.
 
By tensing up the buttocks, that doesn't aid in making marks.  Relaxed buttocks but stretched, as to have the skin taunt is the key; not much different from skin stretched over a drum.  That is why I like German position, as you bend over and touch ankles.  For those who are weighted English Position, you bend over and have hands on the chair's seat.
 
Because of high impact, I don't bind anybody--I don't want individuals to get hurt by not being able to drop and go into a ball if they must, dealing and registering pain.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



beltainefaerie -> RE: Making marks last (10/15/2006 10:41:19 AM)

That makes sense.  Thanks!

I should also mention that I most especially enjoy the purply-red welts/blood blisters that I get from the crop or cane.  I also enjoy bruises, but they are not as delightful.  Also, sometimes the purply-red marks turn into bruises (or bruised underneath and when the welts heal, the bruies show. I'm not sure which).  Are there other things that mark well in that pretty purply-red way?



LadyHugs -> RE: Making marks last (10/15/2006 10:45:47 AM)

Dear beltainefaerie, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Glad to of helped.  Now you see why I enjoy mentoring/teaching.
 
Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs



lesbiangirlslave -> RE: Making marks last (10/15/2006 12:52:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beltainefaerie

my Master loves to mark me, it is just that, as I said, I am difficult to mark.  The cane usually does it, but even that doesn't always.  I don't so much need advice on how to get someone to willingly mark me, as I have that covered.  More, I was looking for suggestions on making the marks I get last and on any suggestions for getting my body to mark more easily.  Would asprin, as a bloodthinner help, possibly?  (Of course just taking a normal dosage) 


Or if you like it use tattoos or piercings. Maybe beaten harder? Sometimes it take some time to get marked for a longer time. The more you are used to be beaten the harder the beating can be and then the marks comming, i promess you.



delinquent -> RE: Making marks last (10/16/2006 4:59:45 AM)

I found that by tightly binding my slave's tits, they would bruise far more easily. It didn't matter what type of whip we used, the bruises were pronounced and long lasting. Like you, she loved to look at them. No session was successful that didn't leave marks on her tender body. She claimed she could cum from just looking at them in the mirror.

Plus she loved the sensation as her tightly tied tits became swolen and hard and turned purple. 

They made much more tempting targets for the whip.

Hope that helps,

Delinquent 



LadyHugs -> RE: Making marks last (10/16/2006 5:11:34 PM)

Dear delinquent, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Being an advocate of risk awareness, when it comes to genital torture and masochism; I am concerned of what I read.
 
I encourage you to consult a medical doctor, as to support my concerns.
 
This is why I have concerns when men tie women's breasts and have them turn red, to mauve to purple.  It means the circulation of blood is shut off period.  Tissue, to include the milk gland located on the northern side of the areola (top of the nipple area), starts to die.  The blood vessels that feed into every milk sack is shut off. 
 
When a breast is repeatedly damaged, hurt and such in a violent manner, to include severe bondage, it may cause irreversable damage.
 
Strokes down on the breast, is no different than a massive stroke down on a man's penis and or testicals.  The same Old School rule of thumb, as far as bondage of genitals for men and women, was--never to be bound so tight as to turn color, especially mauve and purple.  No down strokes, only straight on or upwards; as genitals hang on tissue of the muscle, not like muscle which is connected to bone.  No more than 10 minutes at a time in bondage.  Then free that area, give it a 10 minute recovery, rebind but, do it differently.
 
Although you and your partner may be risk aware, I write this concern more for those new to the scene and may be tempted to take risks that are, in my mind's eye--very risky and may cause irreversable damage.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



LadyHugs -> RE: Making marks last (10/16/2006 5:38:24 PM)

Dear beltainefaerie, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
The question about what else may make the purple-red marks.
 
The bruises that turn redish, yellowish, purpleish and such, are the evidence of broken blood vessels.  It isn't so much the instrument but, the vessels weak and vains bruised/damaged, blood will always surface where there is least resistance.  Same with people who sneeze hard, have blood spots on their eyes. 
 
Feeding blood and circulating to the skin keeping it alive, as well as nerve bundles; when there is an impact there is if a crush that happened, blood will back wash per se, and find a different route.  Not much different from dropping a rock into a shallow container of water... it crowns out.  So, this causes your body's blood to crown out the blood as it is impacted.  Too much pressure, in a feeder vein will cause a blow out like act-thus blood leaves the vein and goes to the surface.  It is 'spilled blood' within your skin.  It just hadn't formed a blood blister.
 
Conditioning forces these veins to sit deeper, same with nerve bundles.  That is why those who are 'leathered' have to go harder and harder to get the same feeling/sensation/marks as when they first started.  The addicts go through the same thing, to get the same sensation.
 
Bruises are blood that haven't been absorbed and displaced by your body.  When it does--bruises are gone.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



MasterNdorei -> RE: Making marks last (10/16/2006 10:14:46 PM)

The deepest marks i ever received were from a rubber band. i was blindfolded at the time and had no idea what was striking me. The marks lasted for almost a week which is amazing because i do not mark easily.

Master's dorei



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