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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 10:01:47 AM   
agirl


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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 10:04:09 AM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		Well I think thats a bit unfair.

I dont suscribe to the knight in shining armor kink. "Rescueing" people is well...stupid. People have to want save themselves so to speak and people who try and rescue other people are just setting themselves up for failure. And not to mention, most guys who view themselves as knights in shining armor often make themselves vulnerable and get played in return. Women are incredibly manipulative as well.

You took my post and blew it way out of proportion. I have compassion, I have sympathy, and I have a sense of morality. But simply sending people message saying "Hey, the Internet isnt exactly the best place to learn about BDSM. You might want to try the local BDSM community" isnt exactly swooping on a horse with my sword drawn. I made the mistake of trying to use the Internet to learn about BDSM and got misguided by quite a few people and I had people send me those same messages and direct me to a local BDSM community. Just returning the favor to other people. If return, they want to talk about BDSM, we talk about BDSM. If they forward me an email and ask my opinion on if I think the person is for real or not, I give them my opinion. But in no way am I a misguided do gooder knight trying to influence peoples decisions or experiences, because I would want to make my own decision and respect other people's desire to make their own.

But if you want to pin me up on a cross, because I feal a responsibility to make a simple suggestion to other newbies, then blow me. Seriously. I am the wrong one here because I have compassion and sympathy for the people who have fallen prey to predators and want to provide a general suggestion to newbies so the same doesnt happen to them?

Maybe if you all will take yourselves off your "I'm high and mighty and superior to other people" throne for a second, then perhaps you'll remember there was a time when you had no idea what SCC or safewords were. Ignorance, enthusiam, over eagerness, and too much trust are common traits in all newbies, especially young ones and having them doesnt make them idiots. .


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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 10:23:42 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Now, why don't we just calm down here, pal.   Here's the fuckin' thing,  for starters;  when women are new to the site as subs they are on that little new users shitbox to the left of your sign in screen.  They have some fantastical expectations of this new and surreal world of  people who understand implicitly all their various and sundry and usually unrealistic and  untenable dreams and are willing to go the extra mile to see that it is so.

Well, it's a cold cruel fuckin' world out there pal, and insofar as reality goes it is still me, out here looking to get my dick sucked.  (Oh, you want me to beat you and  then suck my dick?  OK, that sounds  logical)

Everybody needs to wise the fuck up here right quick.  I am a dom, don't need pussy that won't do it like I want.  Feelings, Love, Connection, that is all well and fine, if  it happens, but  it is so fucking unneccesary to the task at hand.  SSC?  Yeah, cool........
Nice fucking mantra but feast your eyes on zoolander, do you know how many men would suck a dogs dick? Very few......read a little Nancy  Friday.....don't walk in here like the fuckin' Maddona..........nail you  up on a fuckin' cross? You ain't that slick  and there are many out here  that would say, so what  is the big deal?  You are  so  NOT unique..............

If a woman decides she is going to debase herself to her utmost to give you the best pussy you have ever had.........you ain't got nothing at all to say about it.

When they wanna go, they go.....do you think they are that fuckin' stupid?

Oh, jesus, I feel so used, I am going to commit suicide, this man  flamboozled me.....oh, my world  is so upside down now.........OH, at the tender age of 83 I just found out that men only want one thing..............

That is an offer of pussy.  Wake up.

Don't be a don't bee-------do be a doo bee.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 11:40:01 AM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		MadRabbit, I'd be a bit more accepting of your rationale if you told us you advised ALL newbies of your views on the Internet and B/D/S/M.  Only sending that "compassionate, moral and sympathetic" email message to female submissives strikes Me as a bit opportunistic.

But what do I know?  I'm not the One Twue Dom.  (and no, MadR -- I don't think you are claiming to be either.)

E

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"What's for breakfast? What do you say, Piglet?"
"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?"
Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
"It's the same thing," he said.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 11:45:12 AM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		Internet tough guys. Love it.

I'm calm. Dont need to calm down. And telling me to calm down and then going on an Alpha male rant flaming me is pretty hypocritical.

You are taking what I am saying as that I am trying to stand in the way of having experiences and more importantly me trying to stand in the way of you getting your dick sucked. No, wrong. And no, I dont think women are that stupid. I dont go soliciting every new user. I dont go looking for new submissives to save. I find a profile of someone I might like to have a conversation with and in meeting them, I suggest that a local BDSM community is a much safer and better way to learn and get the experiences they want when your a newbie. I've suggested that to maybe four people, all of them local to me, all of them I had an interest of talking with, and all of them near BDSM communites where I knew real people who were interested in educating and not simply interested in getting there dicked sucked. I do however make a point to suggest that to people I meet, because its true. A BDSM community is a far better place to gain experiences than Collarme.com because of people like you. People are however going to do whatever they want.

And this will be my last post because well its pretty pointless. No matter how I try to explain it, people are just going to take it as that I am trying to be some knight in shining armor and flame me for it. And regardless of what anyone has to say, if I meet someone who is new to this, I am always going to refer them to BDSM communities, because I beleive its the right thing to do and nothing you can say is going to change that. Even I am interested in getting my dick sucked by them, I am still going to refer them because they can suck my dick while they learn about BDSM in their free time at the community. And hey if they go to the community and meet a dom there that they want to play with rather than me, then so be it. Having integrity means suffering sometimes.

I love it when people lecture me like I am neive child, telling me the world is such a cruel cyncical and cold place, and then take attitudes and behaviors that continue to make it a cruel cynical and cold place.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 11:47:08 AM   
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quote:



quote:

CrappyDom:   Saving idiots from other idiots is a task for idiots.

KatyLied:  Amen.
I can't stand the knight-in-shining-armor kink



Awww shucks.  Not even tarnished armor?
 
I'm working on the "devil can quote scripture for his own ends" kink.
 
E.


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"When you wake up, Pooh," said Piglet, "what's the first thing you say?"
"What's for breakfast? What do you say, Piglet?"
"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?"
Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
"It's the same thing," he said.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 11:49:51 AM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		Touche'. Very good point. But as I have stated, I am not crusing around collarme.com looking for people to save. I share my views with people I come in contact to which because I am a straight male Dom, that happens to be female submissives. Its my fault though for making it seem like I am taking the knight in shining armor role. If by chance I talked to a male sub, I would say the same thing. And I have with one guy who messaged me.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 1:28:15 PM   
Morrigel


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Status: offline 		Lol...I love how people holler "knight in shining armor" or "white knight" as if those things are insults.  I'm watching people on this thread use those terms the way they use the word "liberal" on Fox News--as if you should have to defend yourself when charged with the CRIME of giving a damn what happens to another human being.  Especially one who is by definition weaker than yourself, or vulnerable to abuse.  Lol!

This world could use a lot more white knights, quite frankly--or at least some self-respecting black ones.  Caring what happens to others is not a crime, or something only "idiots" do.  Being hurt in a way you did not want, did not agree to and did not enjoy by someone EVIL is not something that only happens to "idiots", or that only "idiots" care about.

--M

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 1:33:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am fine with that, and I ain't even pissed or trying to start an argument with you.  with the additional and inclusive thoughts now posted, I am pretty much in agreement with you.

I have no reason to suspect your intentions are not honorable, but I expect that you will not harangue me because I don't subscribe to ssc more than I would any other cause du celebre du jour .............

You know, a like situation from where I sit many years above most of you......
How in the fuck could a columbine happen?  What were the  parents doing that a kid brought a gun to school to shoot people?  I don't even give a fuck about single parent households.....

If you are walking around here on a suck my dick site  at 21 or whatever and are clueless that it is going to be thanksgiving, well somebodies parents didn't do their job.

Ron
and if your sixteen and walking around here.....1. your parents need to be killed and 2. get the fuck outta here, it ain't healthy.

 

< Message edited by mnottertail -- 10/15/2006 1:34:46 PM >

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 1:43:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Expectation #1 - What is promised is not always what is received.

I think it is each of our own's responsibility to present ourselves as we want to be seen.  Does this representation have to be the total honest truth of who we are - no.  Is that what some expect of us - yes, foolishly.  The same goes for the other member of a couple, partnership, or encounter.  I am not always the same man.  I have different intentions, different phases, different methods; it all depends on my attitude, my needs, and my partner.  I fully expect my partner to have a variety of expressions, needs, roles, and intentions as well.  To expect thing to always be simple and safe in the emotional world of BDSM is very much Pollyanna-ish.

Does this mean that there are "knights in shining armor" and "cruel sadistic aggressors" and "caring feeling sensual partners"?  Yes, yes to all of them.  The same is true of the submissive side of the coin - there are the "abuse and humiliation meatholes" and "leather-bound eccentrics" and the "fairytale dreamers".  Of course there is such a broad range, my few examples do not begin to categorize everyone.  My point is that I believe there is a broad array of Doms, including every positive and nearly every negative imaginable.  There is similarly the opposing array of submissives, likewise including every positive and nearly every negative imaginable.

BDSM is an adult expression of sexuality.  It is not a romance novel, nor a science fiction stage show.  The people are real, even if they fake their intentions, abilities, or marital status.  Expect that.  Expect flaws.  Expect misleading.  That is not to say you should categorize everyone as a liar and a cheat, but rather that there are, most certainly, some ideas, methods, needs, and intentions left unsaid at first.  Hell, that is part of the thrill - exploring from what you agree upon into what you are not sure you are willing to consent upon.  If it were all prearranged, contracted, and validated in writing, then what would be the arousal.  We would just be vanilla's with a kink laundry list.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 1:44:14 PM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		Ron, I think you need to up the dose of your meds.  BUT, what's scary, is I agree with you!

quote:

  How in the fuck could a columbine happen?  What were the  parents doing that a kid brought a gun to school to shoot people?  I don't even give a fuck about single parent households.....


From the moment the story broke, I was wondering this too.  HOW COULD THESE BOYS GET THESE WEAPONS OUT OF THEIR HOUSES AND TO SCHOOL?  Where were the parents.  And remember, one of them had mail order parts delivered to his home and his mother knew (vaguely) and didn't bother to inquire?

I know its tough being a single parent.  I know that you don't have control over teenage kids like when they are 4.  But still...high powered sniper rifles and ordinance doesn't just float out the door. 

E.

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"When you wake up, Pooh," said Piglet, "what's the first thing you say?"
"What's for breakfast? What do you say, Piglet?"
"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?"
Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
"It's the same thing," he said.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 2:02:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ghoster78

Expectation #1 - What is promised is not always what is received.


Yeah, right.  Fact #1:  actions not consented to and enjoyed by both parties are defined as rape.

I don't really care how many fancy words you paint it with.  Yes, there are men and women in this community who enjoy and seek all kinds of things.  No one is talking about things that were wanted, requested or enjoyed in a scene.  We are specifically talking about things which were NOT wanted, and NOT asked for, and NOT enjoyed.

This is a community where consent is a crucial life-line.  The difference between a good dom and a bad one is not what they do--it's who they do it to, and whether the sub is digging it.

Submissives have some responsibilities, absolutely.  But I don't buy any of this blaming-and-shaming the victim rhetoric for a second.  No one is whining because they had to suck a dick, for Christ's sake.  Some of these cases involve stabbings or brutal beatings, much less victims who were bound and tortured, raped and abandoned.

Point is, if you persuade a man or a woman to meet you with the promise of something they will enjoy and then rape them, you're not within the allowable variation of this community.  You're just a fucking rapist who calls himself/herself a "dom" so you can victimize a community that has weak legal protection.

Morally, people who victimize submissive men and women are no better than serial killers who rape and murder prostitutes or homeless people because no one cares about them.  And so far as figuring out who to blame for Columbine--why are you not blaming the kids who got shot?  They went to school hoping to learn something that day, after all--that's every bit as much of a crime as going to a hotel room hoping to have some fun kinky sex, in my opinion.

You want to know who was responsible for Columbine?  Two guys:  Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.  They tried to kill a lot of people, because they were a pair of friggin' little psychos.  Trying to make someone else responsible for their actions is always going to be a mistake--whether it's their parents or their victims or society or whatever.  Individual choice is the playing field of human evil.  No one made them hunt those weapons for months, plan their killing spree for months, and pull the trigger hundreds of times.  They did all that on their own.

--M

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 2:23:58 PM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		Well, thank you Ron. And I hope everyone questions whether my intentions are honorable or not, because they should. Its the Internet and this is simply words on a screen. I apologize for insulting you, but your words did put me on the defensive and to be honest, I have been on the defense since I made this first post. It is a hard pill to swallow when you have to defend altruism.

People can construe this however they want. They can flame me and say whatever they want. But it wont change my views or my stance on this. The simple point of all this is that BDSM communites are far safer than Collarme.com for newbies. And anyone that I take an interest in is going to hear that suggestion from me. If they dont want to follow it, so be it. Its their choice who they play with and where to get experiences from and I am not trying to stand in the way of that.

And no I dont think less of you because you dont subscribe to SSC. There is a million different ways to do anything in BDSM and I know quite a few people who dont subscribe to SSC. SSC and all the other codes for safe sane play are simply guidelines and ways of spelling out one thing.... common fucking sense. You dont have to live by SSC to know not to let someone tie you up you dont trust or to not do Knife Play while intoxicated.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 2:29:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, Dad; you say as you sit in the kitchen/dining room at 5'o fukin clock in the evening with the entire family there......I am thinking about whacking a couple assholes at school cause I have these feelings.......and i am really pissed........

WHACK!!!!!!!!!!!

you are now breathing mashed potates..........

Yeah, son, I think that is a good idea, in fact I support your fuckin position and in fact am somewhat distressed that life could treat you so unfairly, what seems to be missing in your life is snowmobiles and gameboys and everything else that you have been deprived of, and.........

Ja, I had heart-to-hearts with my old man like that all the time..........

I know, it sounded like what? are you fuckin stupid? After I have this cigarette, I am going to whip your ass with a horse cinch.

I had full and total control of all my dads shit, I coulda built a pipebomb......shit Morrie (my dad would have told me how to do it) but it wouldn't have been a public offering, and that is what us old timers don't get?  How could it be that you can wake up in the morning and divorce cause from effect? 

What is my training as a dom?  I know how much to beat you and how much you can take before you die......
I know what you whine and beg like and all that other asswipe and I don't care..............

You will survive........

There is a guy out here by the name of topcat......

read the sig---

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 3:34:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		To all involved parties:  Keep the flaming out of this or it's getting locked down.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 6:42:08 PM   
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Morrigel:  You want to know who was responsible for Columbine?  Two guys:  Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.  They tried to kill a lot of people, because they were a pair of friggin' little psychos.  Trying to make someone else responsible for their actions is always going to be a mistake--whether it's their parents or their victims or society or whatever.  Individual choice is the playing field of human evil.  No one made them hunt those weapons for months, plan their killing spree for months, and pull the trigger hundreds of times.  They did all that on their own.



I never said the two murderers were not responsible.  But I don't see why you exonerate the parents.  You said it yourself -- the two killers planned this for months.  For God's sake, they left machined gun parts in plain sight in one of their bedrooms.  Don't you think a minimally responsible parent might have known SOMETHING was odd?  There is enough tragedy in Columbine to go around.  I think the shooters were responsible, but I don't think the parents were entirely innocent.

E.

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"When you wake up, Pooh," said Piglet, "what's the first thing you say?"
"What's for breakfast? What do you say, Piglet?"
"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?"
Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
"It's the same thing," he said.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 7:21:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

I never said the two murderers were not responsible.  But I don't see why you exonerate the parents. 


For the same reason I "exonerate" the bullies at school who persecuted poor poor wittle Ewic and Dywan until they just HAD to go Lee Harvey on all their classmates, innocent and guilty alike.  Because not inspecting your son's filthy room often enough is not murder.  Because picking on an unpopular kid at school is also not murder.  And because plenty of kids are neglected by their parents or picked on at school without killing anyone with an automatic weapon.

The key ingredient in these incidents is always the psychopath--not the circumstances that surround him or her.  Columbine was not caused by bad parenting, video games or goth music...any more than Ted Bundy's murders were caused by porn or Jeffrey Dahmer's were caused by cooking shows.

--M

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 9:06:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

That's ok, I send all the new girls an on your knees bitch message with a cockshot, so it kinda balances it out..........keeps the universe safe from the mis-guided do gooders kinda thing.

Ron
edited to fix the subject line, mixing metaphors is one thing, mashing them an entirely different realm.


Umm, you must have missed me when I was new, could you forward it now, and I will pretend I am still new?  *grins*

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/15/2006 10:00:21 PM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		You have your beliefs, I have mine, and that's where we can leave it. 

E.

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"When you wake up, Pooh," said Piglet, "what's the first thing you say?"
"What's for breakfast? What do you say, Piglet?"
"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?"
Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
"It's the same thing," he said.

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RE: "Danger, Willa Cather! Danger!" - 10/16/2006 6:38:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

I heard a great name for it...

Captain Save'aho


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Pumpkin spice flavoured coffee RIGHT OUT THE NOSE!

Curse you CrappyDom!  Curse You!


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