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Lady Alaria -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/23/2006 7:58:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yannis7 Actually, MANY professionals in MANY lines of work - entertainment, business, etc - offer their services from their given TALENT fields for FREE - even actors like the Brad Pitts of the world and others on The Actors Studio for instance. Professionals offer their expert services free to schools, seminars, community organizations, charities, and the like. A Domme CANNOT because SEX is all she has to OFFER. Thus, it MUST be ALL about the MONEY since you do not and cannot offer your services FREE like other professionals do. So quit conning people with bs. Y'know, while I'm not sure I _got_ what the original was saying, and I agree that professionals do donate their professional service in other fields, I have to say that they do it only when and if they want to(and only after they've paid the bills). And as to your statement about Dommes, it make no sense on so many levels. First, Dommes offer much more than sex. Most ProDommes do not, in fact, offer sex professionally. Second, even if sex _were_ what they offered(we call those prostitutes, hon, different job, also entitled to respect), why is it you think they cannot offer their services free like other professionals? Now, granted, i don't foresee too many ProDommes(or prostitutes for that matter) offering their services to schools or community organizations(can ya picture it?), I do know that most offer domination, and usually sex, quite free to some lucky guy/s they are in relationships with. So quit whining with your bs.

pixelslave -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/23/2006 9:21:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Morrigel quote: ORIGINAL: TheMind Jayslave77…….I know where you are at. The answer to your question is really very simple - dominant women, as you want them to be, simply do not exist. This is the true source of your frustration. Yeah, this is likely just an alias from one of the frightened little men who claim female dominance doesn't exist--because the thought terrifies them to such a degree that they absolutely can't cope with it. I've run into this type in real life before. Generally speaking they are the sons of insanely abusive, monstrous fathers...and mothers who were silently enduring, submissive doormats. These guys will kill a dominant woman sooner than admit she can exist--because if they acknowledge that even ONE WOMAN in the entire universe has any strength of will and character, then they'll also be forced to admit that Mommy had no excuses for letting her boy be treated that way by his Big Bad Daddy. They'll have to face the fact that she could have and should have done something to save or protect her child. And they will be forced to admit that what they went through as children was not the "natural order"--because all men are strong and all women are weak--it was just abuse, which happened because Daddy was a psychotic animal and Mommy was a pathetic weakling. Such men defend the notion that dominant women don't exist because it's the last pillar that supports their view of the universe. If it goes? Then the whole worldview comes crashing down. --M Morrigel, Without trying to steal this thread (which is already on various tracks anyway), may I ask how you got from what "The Mind" said, all the way to men who were abused by fathers and the mothers who did not protect them from the abuse? Somehow that seems like quite a leap to me that I'm having a great deal of trouble following! [8\|] I recognize that each and every person who survived abuse as children, will learn to handle it in many different ways. While some are often quite similar, many are unique to the particular individual, their situation, and their own creative problem solving imaginitive abilities. I should also acknowledge that I speak of this from the point of view of one of those who had this kind of experience. That is why I'm especially curious as to how you made this leap I've never seen before. [8\|] - pixel

pixelslave -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/23/2006 9:49:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jayslave77 why is it so hard to find a mistress to serve online that doesnt want money, all i want to do is learn from a mistress online how to serve so that when i am ready to serve one in real life i will be ready to. any kind of help would be appreciative. I have a friend who is a female sub that is married and her husband is vanilla. Together, they have worked out an arrangement where she can have an on-line Dom. Nothing is real-time, between her and her Dom or their marriage would be over. In the past, one of her Doms was severely physically handicapped and would not have been able to play. Another was married and his wife was vanilla; thus she was not interested in being sub to him and he didn't want to end his marriage. In another case, the Dom's wife was terminally ill. With his wife's encouragement, he looked for an outlet while he took care of her during her final time on this planet. There are other scenarios where a person for one reason or another may not want a real-time relationship, and only want things to be cyber. The ones I've mentioned above are just a few examples that I happen to know of. I suspect that if you are to find an on-line Domme to train you without charging you a fee, you will need to find one that is in some kind of similar situation as I have described above which my friend has found over the years for herself. In her case, the arrangement has been mutually beneficial to both. For nearly all of the women you will find on this site, I doubt that will be the case. As always, there may be an exception, but you will need to be specific in your profile as to what it is that you seek. You will also want to be flexible and understand what your real needs for the type of training you want really are. That will help you find an appropriate woman who will see that you might be someone she could work with and not another "wanker" who is just wasting her time. You may also want to post an ad on Alt, where I think you're more likely to find that type of arrangement. [:D] Best of luck to you in your endeavor. [:)] - pixel

AcademyForSlaves -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/24/2006 9:03:17 PM)
I agree. I prefer a slave who wants to serve me real time. But even then I might want to be taken out for dinner. Will you still complain that women cost money? Try a fulltime girlfriend and let's see how much that costs you. Or better yet get married and see what that tab will be. Still cheap? Get divorced!! That'll surely bankrupt you. If your only focus is on money and "getting it for free" then you don't have what it takes to be a slave. A slave might be asked to buy dinner, gifts, hand over his wages, and other financial needs. It is certainly not the Mistress's responsibility to pay for everything!! There is no such thing as FREE slavery. Slavery is not for cheap selfish males.

yannis7 -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 12:08:36 AM)
Lady A, Let me correct you on a few points I made. First, many professionals offer services WHILE paying the bills, and NOT after. Second, Dommes should NOT offer their services free since it is their JOB and they CAN'T whereas other jobs CAN! It's all they got for SERVICES. Thus, it is ALL about the money. Third - They are part of the SEX industry, thus SEX is the term. Think BIG PICTURE, if you can, ok? Dommes DO offer friendships, but not SERVICES, that is IF they can find the TIME for friendships within their clientele. Fourth - When did I ever whine here? Never, just offering a point of view - so quit falsely accusing with YOUR bs because it makes you come off as a psuedo-intellectual. Or worse yet, an IDIOT.

yannis7 -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 12:27:18 AM)
Lady A, Another point you don't get - Offering sex to the lucky guy (bf) outside their job is NOT a donation because it is OUTSIDE their job. They are in a RELATIONSHIP. You would THINK they wouldn't charge their bf! So it can't compare to my statement on how professionals are offering FREE SERVICES to many others in the world. You are REALLY reaching here my dear one. LOL! I've been with Dommes and Prostitutes and LOVED every one of them. I dated and had sex with both "types" outside their JOB. That is THEIR choice and our mutual consent. But SEX was how we met - let's don't mix this up. It is what it is - so quit bs'ing the topic with distorted logic you Dommes usually serve up. Keep it for what it is - there is nothing WRONG with that. It is known as HONESTY. Just relax, I was making a point - NOT condemning anyone. I love ALL you Dommes, baby! And taught girls who I had sex with about my fetishes - it sure ain't rocket science that is for damn sure! Yet it sure is fun to partake with a woman in satisying mutual desires! Wish you well on your chosen profession.

AAkasha -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 1:06:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AcademyForSlaves I agree. I prefer a slave who wants to serve me real time. But even then I might want to be taken out for dinner. Will you still complain that women cost money? Try a fulltime girlfriend and let's see how much that costs you. Or better yet get married and see what that tab will be. Still cheap? Get divorced!! That'll surely bankrupt you. If your only focus is on money and "getting it for free" then you don't have what it takes to be a slave. A slave might be asked to buy dinner, gifts, hand over his wages, and other financial needs. It is certainly not the Mistress's responsibility to pay for everything!! There is no such thing as FREE slavery. Slavery is not for cheap selfish males. There are femdoms that do pay for everything. I pay for everything; Money is control. My husband does not work or earn an income, he spends his time making my life easier so I can enjoy my career and not be distracted by anything else, and he can spend his energy focussing on my pleasure. I have had pay-for-play type BDSM relationships (online, phone) with male subs from time to time, because I enjoy variety and can be assured that the subs that are paying for it are going to invest their own time and energy vs. just disappearing when things get challenging. This is very rare, because I don't have a lot of free time. But when I find a guy, online or in real life, that I take a very personal interest in, I do not let him pay for anything - toys, travel, ANYTHING. I make the travel arrangements, I get the hotel, I call the shots. I pay the phone bills, and I buy the nasty gear. I find this whole process to be erotic and empowering. Hell, I've even paid the guy as part of an erotic fantasy. Not all femdoms are in it for the money. I have a career that has nothing to do with kink. Akasha

yannis7 -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 10:15:28 AM)
AAkasha, If you need a phone sex sub, I LOVE phone sex. Women CUM to my LOUD moans, groans, and grunts. If it is free, that would make me NUT! My fantasites where the WOMAN RULES turns them on as well. If interested, please let me know how to contact you.

MissyRane -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 10:18:58 AM)
laughing my ass off while try to rescue my hotdog while trying to stand in my feet omg WHAT kind of post was that?? goes on the next plane to Japan to pick up my jaws

Morrigel -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 11:16:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pixelslave Morrigel, Without trying to steal this thread (which is already on various tracks anyway), may I ask how you got from what "The Mind" said, all the way to men who were abused by fathers and the mothers who did not protect them from the abuse? Somehow that seems like quite a leap to me that I'm having a great deal of trouble following! [8\|] Don't read the word "all" into the word "generally", and don't assume that I mean "all survivors of childhood abuse" when I describe a specific sort of man who exhibits a specific sort of behavior toward a specific sort of woman--for little or no reason. Not all examples can be taken from the specific to the sweepingly general quite so easily. I agree that survivors of abuse can exhibit a wide range of pathologies and behaviors. This one, however, is classic, and easy to spot. As to why I say this? It's because I have run into it, repeatedly, since the age of 21 or so. There are some men who are driven to near-psychotic violence simply by the existence of a woman who does not behave submissively in public. In a classroom, in the workplace, etc., they cannot bear this woman and they have a constant, incessant urge to "put her in her place". Every time she states her opinion freely, behaves as if she is equal to any man, or acts as if she deserves respect or consideration--they feel attacked at a very deep level. Even if she is not speaking to them or interacting with them personally at all. Working out their pathology, especially when one or two of them were forced to go through counseling after public incidents, was not too hard. Nowadays I tend to find this sort of behavior more pathetic than infuriating. But I do recognize any man who displays it as a danger, to myself and to other women. He's often just one "mouthy broad" away from murder. --M

pixelslave -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 4:47:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Morrigel quote: ORIGINAL: pixelslave Morrigel, Without trying to steal this thread (which is already on various tracks anyway), may I ask how you got from what "The Mind" said, all the way to men who were abused by fathers and the mothers who did not protect them from the abuse? Somehow that seems like quite a leap to me that I'm having a great deal of trouble following! [8\|] Don't read the word "all" into the word "generally", and don't assume that I mean "all survivors of childhood abuse" when I describe a specific sort of man who exhibits a specific sort of behavior toward a specific sort of woman--for little or no reason. Not all examples can be taken from the specific to the sweepingly general quite so easily. I agree that survivors of abuse can exhibit a wide range of pathologies and behaviors. This one, however, is classic, and easy to spot. As to why I say this? It's because I have run into it, repeatedly, since the age of 21 or so. There are some men who are driven to near-psychotic violence simply by the existence of a woman who does not behave submissively in public. In a classroom, in the workplace, etc., they cannot bear this woman and they have a constant, incessant urge to "put her in her place". Every time she states her opinion freely, behaves as if she is equal to any man, or acts as if she deserves respect or consideration--they feel attacked at a very deep level. Even if she is not speaking to them or interacting with them personally at all. Working out their pathology, especially when one or two of them were forced to go through counseling after public incidents, was not too hard. Nowadays I tend to find this sort of behavior more pathetic than infuriating. But I do recognize any man who displays it as a danger, to myself and to other women. He's often just one "mouthy broad" away from murder. --M Morrigel, I think your interpretation of my use of the word "all" was different than intended. My intent was to convey the meaning of "all" as the *metaphorical distance* from point A to point B, being a *very large distance; and not* to use it in the context of *counting an entire population* or subset of that population; more specifically not to include *everyone in that population* as you seem to have interpreted it. Thank you for the description of the pathology you described. Its something I've heard of, but haven't recently thought of, read about, or run across. I seem to recall that it represents a repression of rage against a mother who didn't make any attempt to protect a boy from the abuse they experienced as their mother stood by and watched. [&o] - pixel

trannysub007 -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 9:00:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheMind Repeating: I have found that when one does not have a vaild arguement to make against a postion, or the brains to compose an argument in the first place, the typical tactic is to attack the messenger and ignore the postion to be argued against. Valid arguement: Dominant women DO exist; i personally know 2. Even if i only knew one, it would prove that they exist. Typical tactic: you are no less of a troll than many others whose posts i have read.

trannysub007 -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 9:27:07 PM)
Unless you are a ProDomme, how do you know this stuff? They can do whatever the hell they want to do and they don't need your permission or approval. Play for free, give a 2-for-1 sesison, coupons good for the month of September or block/ignore trolls. [:D] Have a happy! [:D]

Najakcharmer -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/25/2006 10:00:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yannis7 Actually, MANY professionals in MANY lines of work - entertainment, business, etc - offer their services from their given TALENT fields for FREE - even actors like the Brad Pitts of the world and others on The Actors Studio for instance. Professionals offer their expert services free to schools, seminars, community organizations, charities, and the like. A Domme CANNOT because SEX is all she has to OFFER. Thus, it MUST be ALL about the MONEY since you do not and cannot offer your services FREE like other professionals do. So quit conning people with bs. Obviously you've never been to any of the BDSM community events featuring pro doms as charity fundraisers. There are a good many of those in the big cities. And no, sex was not on the menu. Just because you are abysmally ignorant on a subject does not mean that everyone is. You remind me of some of the inbred morons who claim that the earth is flat and people never actually landed on the moon, since evidence to the contrary is not something they have personally seen in whatever redneck bumfuckville town they live in. It's all a government conspiracy to decieve us and astronauts don't really exist. Dumbass.

amaidiamond -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/27/2006 11:17:40 AM)
You know, it's almost amusing how when people cannot win a debate via wit they result to slamming the way a person looks, there is no need to pass comment on such peoples behaviour they do such a fine job of it all alone, it irks me the way people use this as a fall back when their brain ceases to function well enough to come up with a thoughtfull argument. It also amuses me after stating such misguided and offensive point of views so as to draw attention to themselves the two new people that have attempted to cause disruption have no vanished when I went to check profiles, It makes me think they may well be the same person as both had no concept of real time D/s emotions, at least from their posts, and also no idea how to speak in society. Personally I would suggest that if you both are the same person or not, when returning with your next profile(s) you read Najakcharmers wonderfully well written one for inspiration on how to really show an interesting mind and smart personality off to it's best advantage...that is, if you do, as you so claim, have one.

Najakcharmer -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/27/2006 9:05:01 PM)
Very kind of you to say, amaidiamond. My profile really isn't likely to appeal to most people - which is exactly why it is the way it is. LOL I used to have "prettier" pictures on it of me all glammed up and wearing makeup, etc, but that got me WAY too much attention of the sort I do not want. So now it's a deliberately plain pic from 40 or 50 lbs ago (pre-fitness kick) and almost no mention of kink in the profile. But ya know, I still get "wanna" emails and lame propositions from both subs and doms. Some guys really can't read I guess.

Tslaveboy -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/28/2006 9:16:02 PM)
Why don't you just go to the chatroom? I've been in there and have been IM'd for a cybersession. There are also other websites that will also introduce you to mistesses who like to chat online.

skiesel93 -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/29/2006 8:17:33 AM)
I have a new question for Y/you all: Ok, once you've gotten a Mistress's attention, how long should you send emails back and forth between eachother before you talk about meeting? And is it more appropriate for the Domme or the sub to introduce the topic of meeting RL? As a gentleman should I offer to take Her out?

pinkkeith -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/29/2006 12:25:55 PM)
I've never really had a problem finding Dommes. Actually, They can usually spot me. I think there is something about myself that screams sub or something.

Morrigel -> RE: looking 4 mistress so difficult (11/29/2006 2:04:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinkkeith I've never really had a problem finding Dommes. Actually, They can usually spot me. I think there is something about myself that screams sub or something. Maybe it's the fact that you're pink? [:)] --M

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