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Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/24/2005 8:57:51 PM   
kajira18


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this girl was wondering

does her past matter?
should she confess her past to her present time?

what are her chances of the future if she does this?






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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/24/2005 9:24:24 PM   
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It might depend on who your considering confessing to. If its a person that you know loves you (and I include a Master) then perhaps yes. Thats your decision. If its a burden that you feel, out of wishing to be completely honest and transparent...out of submission or love then you should be lauded for even asking.

If your motivation springs from some fuzzy guilt that you have, perhaps you need to look at your motivations for "confessing".

To me the truest love is unconditional. In the final analysis its a gamble no? You have to follow your heart, and your conscience.

We all make mistakes.

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/25/2005 7:01:50 AM   
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It's all about trust. I like knowing everything, even if that means you gave blowjobs for beer when you where 14. It gives me a chance to know who you where and who you are now.

I also like knowing about relationships and if you've been raped, beaten, abused in the past. It allows me to take in extra consideration and precaution when we are going to scene as I'll have to be prepared for if and when you have flash backs.

I don't have to know everything at once, but I do want to know all about your past bit by bit before getting ultra serious. It's not like your master isn't going to understand. He/she will most likely be more pleased and be able to come up with better rewards and sadistic punishments for you. Knowing your fears and likes is very important.

So have a cup of tea and be honest.




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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/25/2005 7:25:47 AM   
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I agree with FangsNFeet, the past is important to let the Master know about at least as the subject to some of the past comes up, my new Master and I were talking about the types of punishments he uses, and he had mentioned using a closet as a timeout/punishment technique, I started to have a panic attack, you see as a child stepmom would put us younger ones in a closet with no lights and clothes hanging down into your face,etc. to punish or control us and I developed closterphobia from it, know when in small unlit rooms I at times have it very difficult, and I told Master about this and warned him I could go very wild in this given situation. (even now writing about it can feel heart racing) He assured me if he decided to use this technique I could use a safe word, plus he never would leave me alone in any punishment situation, for safety reasons, but if I began to have problems he would allow me to come out, I hope he never uses it and doubt he would unless to push my limits and know he would assure me that he was there, and watching out for me. There are some other things have shared with him from my past but this is main thing, I know he was glad I told him for then he could watch out for me.

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/25/2005 10:41:05 AM   
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Using the word confessing sounds like the specific information or past is weighing on you.
I dont think everyone tells everything at the one time, some information comes up over time.
Probable need to weigh up whether it is appropriate to inform now, or perhaps if you continue or if s/he wants to collar you.
Perhaps if it is something that will impact quickly on the relationship regardless of whether you inform the dominant, probable a good idea to tell them. I dislike getting bad surprises

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/25/2005 8:53:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kajira18

this girl was wondering

does her past matter?
should she confess her past to her present time?

what are her chances of the future if she does this?






sign,
kajira18


I think your past does matter as it has formed you into who you are. I think it's important to share those parts of your past that you feel your partner needs to know in order to understand who and what you are. There are things that make you unique as an individual and knowing what those things are may give insight into why you are you and that can be terribly important in helping you be everything you need to be. One who has a genuine appreciation for who you are should be able to accept the things that have brought you into being. OTOH, one who cannot accept the things that formed you cannot appreciate the whole you. Honesty is always its own reward. It is a crucible in which those with baser intentions are shown for their true selves.
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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/27/2005 9:44:54 AM   
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this makes it more understandable
the reason why i ask this is that, my past is part of my present and may come up in the future and i don't wish for it to bother me and i feel like he should know about everything in my past because it can affect things that are happening in the present or may happen in the future. i have had a VERY bad past and sometimes i think about the past when certain things trigger it.

is there any way to over come this or would i have to wait and just tell him when the time comes so i can lift it from my shoulders to his?




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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/27/2005 12:22:38 PM   
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My girl shared her past with me in bits and pieces. There are some parts I wish I had known sooner but, on the whole, I think it was for the best that she shared as she felt comfortable. I think perhaps the key may lay in how much it can affect your present. The greater the effect, the earlier you should share the truth. When in doubt, I would follow my heart.
You might also test the waters and see how small truths are accepted in order to gauge how the larger truths might be taken. Without knowing the particulars it's hard to say with any certainty what is wisest for you as you undoubtedly know your true situation better than any other would. Let your conscience be your guide, perhaps? If it feels like deception to not share, perhaps that's your key.
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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/27/2005 3:32:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kajira18

this girl was wondering

does her past matter?
should she confess her past to her present time?

what are her chances of the future if she does this?

sign,
kajira18


That depends on what you mean by "past"... And I agree with LdyAuburn. Confess isn't necessarily the best word to use for some of the situations below but I'll use it to stay in line with the question.

Do you want to confess that in first grade you stole a pencil from another student? Nah. No one really cares. Except that kid. And he's still looking for his poor, lost pencil.

Do you want to "confess" that you were witness to a murder? That might be important as it may have left behind traumatic emotion and feeling. Knowing that about you might help him to understand and care for you better?

Do you want to "confess" that you've been sexually or physically assaulted? I think that's a must. You want him to know the things that may affect your behavior now. He'll want to know why you tense when he moves too fast or when he gets too loud. Without knowing he'll just think you're jumpy and never understand that you may be experiencing negative emotions and are reacting physically.


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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/27/2005 5:02:58 PM   
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Not to sound harsh, but at 18, there isn't a likelyhood of an extremly difficult past to manage. Anything that happens to a person between, say, 1 and 17, for the most part, is forgiven as part of childhood - not to make you feel like your experiences aren't important, but rather in five or ten years, you will likely have comed to terms with them and moved on with your life.

Having said that, the real question you might ask (at any age) is could you possibly trust a man enough to submit your life (or whatever degree of submission you wish to give him) if you cannot trust him with the person you are now (made that way by the experiences you have already lived.)

Trust me, any man who can't handle you for who you are, doesn't deserve you.

Good luck in your search

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/27/2005 6:25:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare

Not to sound harsh, but at 18, there isn't a likelyhood of an extremly difficult past to manage. Anything that happens to a person between, say, 1 and 17, for the most part, is forgiven as part of childhood...

Trust me, any man who can't handle you for who you are, doesn't deserve you.


There isn't a likelihood in a "normal, healthy" (numerous ideas from various people on what that particular phrase means) upbringing. However not all are fortunate enough to have that.

Things that are forgiven as part of a childhood include trivial fights with siblings, not eating all of your vegetables and perhaps petty theft and minor bullying. Anything above and beyond those types of actions probably shouldn't be considered an ordinary part of a childhood.

Bullying around someone to the point where they take their own life and blame you for having screwed up their head is something that will make a lasting impression.

Having your parents divorce and overhearing that one blames the accident child for the break up has an impact on a child's life and view of him/herself. It isn't the child's fault of course but as children we don't process things rationally. If we overhear that daddy is leaving because of the 'filthy little brat' mummy birthed we tend to carry that around with us.

However I think you're absolutely correct in saying that anyone who cannot handle (and I'd add love and care for) who a person is they aren't deserving of the person in question.


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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/27/2005 7:04:00 PM   
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quote:

Having said that, the real question you might ask (at any age) is could you possibly trust a man enough to submit your life (or whatever degree of submission you wish to give him) if you cannot trust him with the person you are now (made that way by the experiences you have already lived.)


Very well said Voltare and welcome back to the forums, missed your posts.

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/27/2005 8:35:15 PM   
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the past of any of U/us is as important as the future. why? because it is what has shapped U/us into W/who and what W/we are. as a Dom, I do not expect My girl to disclose everything about her past all at once. there is trust to be earned and given in the growth of a C/couple and part of that should come from discussions of what got T/them to where T/they are now. it takes time to learn A/another though and W/we have to understand and expect it to take the proper amount of time (that being different in every case of course) It might take years to relinquish every thing about the past to A/another and to some it might only take weeks...reguardless...to know the O/one you are with to the best of Y/your abilities is to know T/thier past and T/thie desires for the future...with out them is it not just existing in a standstill??

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/28/2005 2:01:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kajira18

this makes it more understandable
the reason why i ask this is that, my past is part of my present and may come up in the future and i don't wish for it to bother me and i feel like he should know about everything in my past because it can affect things that are happening in the present or may happen in the future. i have had a VERY bad past and sometimes i think about the past when certain things trigger it.

is there any way to over come this or would i have to wait and just tell him when the time comes so i can lift it from my shoulders to his?
kajira18



Since you mention your past is bad, it sounds like you need to have a talk with your Dominant about it. It is very unfair to enter a situation that may cause unexpected emotional or physical reactions in you without warning. Abuse triggers can be pretty scary things. While your Dominant should ask about things like past abuse, trauma, illnesses (including mental), allergies and general health before playing with you, not all do.

In the past I've wanted the following information from a sub very early in our discussions. (If you have any of the following things, you want to make the Dom/me aware of them before you play.)

1) Do you have any allergies?

2) Do you have any medical conditions that might be a problem while playing? ie pacemaker, high blood pressure, epilepsy, diabetes, hemorrhoids:

3) What medications do you take regularly, including over the counter as well as prescription.

4) Do you have any psychological conditions that might affect play? ie claustrophobia, past abuse trauma:

5) What is your safe word?

6) What are your hard limits?


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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 1/28/2005 8:32:07 PM   
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Are you going to confess to being a serial axe killer?

Maybe it's better to be honest to HAVE a future, if not?

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 2/2/2005 10:01:51 AM   
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Ms Dahlia,

I wasn't trying to suggest that people don't have traumatic issues to cope with in their childhood. Rather, I was trying to point out that no matter how bad our lives are in our formative years, no matter the (vast majority of) mistakes we make, the truth is that as adults we are always harder on ourselves for our mistakes growing up then we really need to be. I think at some point, as adults though, we eventually come to terms with our past and find a point of reconciliation. That, too, I believe to be part of the maturation process.

In the exceptions, i.e. the examples you have provided, I would think that such individuals with an amazing amount of trauma and guilt over their childhood sins will probably have a very difficult road ahead of them to come to terms with their past - something that would be best done in therepy with a trained professional. Obviously not everyone who needs such help will get it, but such emotional trauma would be absolutely vital to any potential Dominant. I (personally) would not enter any sort of serious relationship (Ds or otherwise) with someone who I believed to be so unbalanced from their past that they could not function in the present. If a sub or slave were to lie to me about these faults, it would be as bad as not telling me about a heart problem or other medical illness - and deprives me of my own right to make an informed, consensual decision (as well as endangering my life and the life of the submissive in question.)

I hope that clarifies things a bit.

Proud - thanks a bunch! I will probably only post sporadically, but if anything interesting pops up a little email would be most welcome.

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 2/2/2005 3:35:01 PM   
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well my past deals with why i am scared to do things publicly, or to even meet a Master face to face. my past was a very hard one when i was growing up with my family.
with my family still in my life they still try to control my life even my grandparents
thats the thing i don't know if a Master can handle the problems i have been through
their also parts of my past well all of my past of abuse.....





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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 2/2/2005 4:32:04 PM   
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kajira18,

You don't really give much information for us to go on. That's ok, of course, but the more we know, the more likely we are to give you good advice. If you're nervous about posting information, you can always contact people off the message board, as many of us are happy to help. I know I don't just speak for myself, and I would personally recommend Topcat, MzSuz, proudsub, Mod3, or any of a dozen folks who post here regularly.

Having said that, I am almost cringing at the words I'm about to write to you. You've heard them a thousand times, and I remember when I heard them it made me angry as well. Sadly, it's the truth.

At 18, you're still at an age where you're halfway between an adult and a child. This isn't to say you are a child, because you are responsible for your actions, legally and morally. However, those who you love and love you still see a 12 or 14 year old, and sadly they may continue to see the same young teenager for another 10 years. Last time I visited my father's house (at 25 years of age) I wasn't 'allowed' to leave the house after 10pm - just like when I was 14. Naturally, I had the right to walk out the door if I wanted, but the following arguements and possible breach of relationship that would follow just wasn't worth it to me.

This is very much the situation you are facing. You legally have the right to do what you wish (at least so long as there are no laws against it.) That right carries huge risks, though. If you decide to stay out all night, quit school, or start having sex, there is no law to stop you. The flip side, however, is that if you choose to do these things, you might find you don't have a bed to sleep in, food to eat, health insurance to protect you, or money for college next year. In fact, most of 'your' possessions really aren't yours - it's a huge legal tangle to decide if a stereo or pair of socks you were given at the age of 17 are legally yours, since you can't actually own property of your own until you are 18 (depending on state laws of course.)

Beyond that, as I mentioned before, the question isn't really if a Master can handle your baggage. The question *should* be could you possibly trust a man enough to call him Master, if he can't handle your problems.

A very difficult picture to make for you, is your life in five years. Perhaps you went to school. perhaps you found a job. Perhaps you got pregnant at 19 and are on your second marriage. There are lots of 'maybes' in your life, but you should really concentrate on what it is you *want* to do with your life. Find that answer, and run with it. If that means a career, then work on it. If all you can see is yourself in a cage 24/7.... well, you might want to try it on your own for a weekend, I assure you it isn't as glamourous as it sounds. Getting the most education you can should be the most important thing in your life, be it book or life experience. If college isn't in your future, perhaps the military is. Whatever you decide to do, do it for YOU! Your parents will want to give your their advice. Let them, but you are at an age where the choice is, really, yours, even if you don't like some of the options. For example, they might agree to pay for college, something you might want to do. But they won't pay unless you go to a college in Utah - something you refuse to do. If, in the end, you can't change their minds, you still have a choice -either to take their help and go to a College in Utah, or to try to make it on your own somewhere else. It doesn't sound fair - but this is one of the last lessons you learn as a child: that eventually you, and you alone will be responsible for the direction you take your life. If you go to a university they pay for, and hate it, you only have yourself to blame, because at 18 they really don't have an obligation to take care of you anymore.

Do look on the bright side - I'm living in a country where people often don't leave home until they are 25, or even 30 years old. I know 35 year old men still living at their parents homes. Culturally, that's just what is expected of people here, to live with parents until they get married.

As for your problems.... there are lots of good reasons NOT to meet people online. Doing it entails a risk, though no different a risk then meeting people at a bar I believe. It's your choice to decide how much you wish to risk, in any relationship, or any meeting. Whoever you choose to meet should be able to respect your wishes, and your fears, and if he is truely worth the title Master that you would wish to give him, then have faith that he will be able to accept you for who you are, 100%. Until he has earned your trust though, the smartest thing to do would be careful, and take your time. Anything worth having, is worth waiting for. That might mean you don't meet your Master for one, two, or even ten years. Instead of worrying about how long it takes to meet him, it would do you more good to worry about enjoying the life you have now, and making yourself the best woman you can be for that Master when he comes along -and come along he will!

I hope this helps you, and I apologize for the length.

Best wishes,

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 2/2/2005 4:48:13 PM   
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Beyond that, as I mentioned before, the question isn't really if a Master can handle your baggage. The question *should* be could you possibly trust a man enough to call him Master, if he can't handle your problems.


Very wise words. We all have our own ghosts to deal with, all of us. Who we choose to share those with is up to each one of us. Master is not a title you should lightly consider calling anyone. If you get to the point where you feel that you can trust a man enough to call him such then you will find that it will be easier with his help to start peeling off the layers of that onion. Voltare is right....any man that can not deal with the fact that you are a human being like the rest of us with a past and some baggage....is not worth the title.

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RE: Past, Present, maybe Future - 2/3/2005 9:00:05 AM   
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ill give you my experience in confessing your past

i met someone who i thought i could finally fess up to the way i grew up, my struggles w/ practically raising myself and my sister. i told him how i had to sell my soul to live and i confessed to being raped repeatedly . after 12 yrs of living together and 2 children , he told me something , he told me "i cant believe i stayed w/ such a piece of used up trash for so long " he threw every thing i told him( because i trusted him) in my face then tried to use it to take both of my kids away from me . i will never make that mistake again . your past is just that , YOUR PAST.

my grandmother told me something along time ago and it stuck . "the only person you'll ever have to confess your sins to is a priest"


good luck sweetie :o)


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