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RE: Bleuprint for Britain; 2 Education & Skills - 10/17/2006 12:24:59 PM

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More money alone is not the answer if it was we'd have the best educated kids in the nation in Fulton County. Its what gets done with the money that makes all the difference.

I've got to agree that more money isn't the answer. Many African kids end up better educated than some of ours with their only resources being a teacher with a hundred kids in a class, a blackboard and a piece of chalk. Children have got to want to learn and teachers have got to want to teach.

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RE: Bleuprint for Britain; 2 Education & Skills - 10/17/2006 8:11:18 PM

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Alot of the difference lies in the family dedication to education and the dicsipline that crosses from home to school.

Having spoken to some African national immigrants they will often tell you that they learn because there education is a priviledge not a right, disrespect for a teacher can and does result in expulssion and punishmments less than that result in a beating from Dad the likes of which we in the West can barely imagine and would easily consider abuse.

A parent knowing that the education system is a privledge that can disappear in a flash will make sure their child behaves in school, and will also make sure that thier parental responsibilities to the education are met quickly and joyfully.

But that leaves them with the problem of the cast offs, those who get left behind, expelled with no way to return to an education. While the motivation it provides to most is high, the consequences for those who do fail are devistating and in their culture perminant.

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RE: Bleuprint for Britain; 2 Education & Skills - 10/18/2006 3:29:09 AM

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Hi Archer

Definitely - we do have this cultural problem I think, where it is "cool" to fail, regardless of what opportunities are given.

But in the end, we cannot make these children, or their parents, take education seriously. All we can do is provide a wide range of courses that allow each child the chance to shine.

Deliberately failing will be made an unattractive prospect though, in a further post on this subject!

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RE: Bleuprint for Britain; 2 Education & Skills - 10/18/2006 5:25:34 AM

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LadyEllen is the one who stated "a need for an increase in funding needs to be found".

I would say this is the first thing that should be examined, could change for the better be done with the current amount spent per student. While things in Africa may be different she has to work within her culture, their norms and expectations. You find big cultural differences in the US just going from state to state. In CT where I went to high school no one dropped out. It was not socially acceptable. However where I live now (Florida) there is a huge dropout rate. The philosophy here is that McDonalds is always hiring so if you don't want to try in school we will talk you into withdrawing,. We would rather spend our energies on the students who want to be here. Plus our local community college has an awesome GED and adult high school program.

Many dropouts spend a year working minimum wage then find themselves attending adult high school with a whole different attitude.

Working for change is great but there needs to be a logical progression of steps taken. You need to put finances and where the money is being spent right now at the top of the list. Analyse what is working and what isn't before moving on to revamping the whole system.

I agree with Archer it is how the money is spent not how much.

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RE: Bleuprint for Britain; 2 Education & Skills - 10/18/2006 9:07:50 AM

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"But that leaves them with the problem of the cast offs, those who get left behind, expelled with no way to return to an education. While the motivation it provides to most is high, the consequences for those who do fail are devistating and in their culture perminant."

.....agreed Archer, and i would go on to add that there are also negative outcomes for the rest of society if we begin to allow an acceptable loss of children in this way. The ancient Greeks, in the very early days of city-states, wrestled with this same problem. It was often formally identified as a conflict between polis, the laws of the city (or state) and oikos, the laws of the family unit. It has been said that it takes a village to raise a child.......if we abrogate societies obligation to children and simply leave it up to families then this conflict will never be resolved.

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