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Shadowraven -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/20/2006 12:23:25 AM)

I have no slaves, but a sub. I don't expect, nor would I like (I imagine), to be revered by my sub. I only ask compliance and respect.



sailorthor -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/20/2006 10:05:34 PM)

From a sub, or slave, or even vanilla woman:  I desire a safe harbor in which to share my deepest inner workings, darknesses, thoughts, feelings and imaginings with another.  That can only be in a woman's heart.



DiurnalVampire -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/20/2006 10:11:39 PM)

Hmmm. What do I want. I own a slave pet, not a sub.  Angel still isnt completely sure what I expect of him, either.  We are working on that.
Mainly, I expect obedience, trust, loyalty and a certain degree of dependance.
I dont need him to ask me permission to breathe, but for major things he had better ask. He knows I wil take care of him, and his job is to make me happy. He will be doing the domestic stuff, I will handle the major decisions and the money. I expect him to be respectful even when he isnt in his subspace, and not to question my decisions unless he has a serious objection.  I expect him to know his place even when we are out in vanila groups, and not put on some show of being the alpha male to impress his friends. I expect to hold the power in teh relationship, and for him to willingly relinquish that power to me.

I hope that gives you what you were looking for.

DV 



CrappyDom -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/20/2006 10:11:50 PM)

A partner who challenges me intellectually, who compliments me emotionally, and to whom and from whom I can build a more beautiful life.



DommeChains -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/21/2006 12:03:02 PM)

Surrender.....giving over to me on  physical, emotional and spiritual levels.  Following my lead.



KnightofMists -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/21/2006 8:19:47 PM)

I want their obedience!



Padriag -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/22/2006 12:46:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I want their obedience!

Obedience really is at the top of the list when it comes to behavior expected.  Such a simple word that covers so much.  For example, some say they want trust and loyatly as well as obedience.  But if you have their obedience, you have loyalty and trust... its inherently impossible to be both obedient and disloyal at the same time (you can't do something disloyal or untrustworthy without also being disobedient).  Surrender to comes with obedience... if someone is obeying, they have surrendered and submitted.  Pleasing... if they are obeying what you have asked of them, then any fault for not being pleasing is the dominants.

I don't want power from a submissive... its a bit backwards to think that way.  If I don't already possess my own power then we have a problem.  Likewise I don't want authority from a submissive... the source of my authority has to come from within me.  I do want her to respond to my authority, to accept it... to... obey it... and there are back to obedience again.

Such a simple word and yet it covers so much.

Give me her obedience and the rest will follow.



KnightofMists -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/22/2006 7:20:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

[Give me her obedience and the rest will follow.


As usually Padriag... Well Said.

Glad someone took the time to put my thoughts down... I was being lazy when I made my post.

not to be entirely lazy I will add this


Obedience is a response to my Authority.

As a Master... I want my slave's Obedience

My slave... wants my Authority.

pretty tough to gain obedience if.. I look at slave and say... "so what is it you would like to do?"

Authority and Obedience... simple words but oooooooh the meaning behind the words is not so simple.



FrankAr -> RE: what is it you really want from a sub? (10/22/2006 10:55:19 AM)

Greetings gypseylee,

The bottom line for me...just the truth...simple.

I want the truth from the time I start to talk with a sub or slave, to 20 years from now.  I don't want her to say something....only said it to make you happy....kind of crap.  If she doesn't like something, then at least she has told me the truth and we will go from there.

Be well and take care.

Master Frank Ar.



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