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sunnydays -> teaching without domming (10/16/2006 10:23:44 PM)

hi...i am reasonable new to this and my Master is even newer....we are getting a fellow Dom to help us with the finer details of tecniques etc but I was wondering how do i teach my Master without topping from the bottom...




BitaTruble -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 12:20:10 AM)

Explain with respect .. and realize the option to accept or dismiss your information remains with him.

Celeste




ChaOz -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 12:41:58 AM)

I dont see it as a problem, either do it out of character or view it is a privelage etc. As long as your roles are maintained its cool, just like you applying a different skill like making him a website or something. In the end you will be the muse he learns bdsm on so it should be fun for both of you. Even if you take some measure of control to teach its just something he allows to admire your abilities.




conrad2006 -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 12:45:09 AM)

hi





DiurnalVampire -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 12:46:01 AM)

AS long as you dont command, but suggest you should be fine.  Most dominants who are new understand that they have some to learn from the submissives under them.  Make sure he is alright with your offering help, too.  The easiest way to avoid misunderstanding is to make sure he actually wants the help from you. If he objects to th eidea of you helping, then see what he can learn from your Dom friend and then see if you still think that he needs assistance from you.

DV




happypervert -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 8:34:57 AM)

I suspect that most of what you want to teach your master is about how YOU respond to what he's doing. I wouldn't call that topping from the bottom -- I'd call it providing valuable feedback. Same goes for suggesting ideas or telling him about other things you like/dislike but he hasn't tried.

As mentioned already, it is then up to him to chose how to use this info . . . including doing what he knows you don't like.




LotusSong -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 8:38:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunnydays

hi...i am reasonable new to this and my Master is even newer....we are getting a fellow Dom to help us with the finer details of tecniques etc but I was wondering how do i teach my Master without topping from the bottom...


"Suggestions" are always welcome :)

oops.. edited to make that "Should be Welcomed"




LadyHugs -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 1:04:01 PM)

Dear sunnydays, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Communication is always the key.  How you suggest or teach from the submissive/slave point of view is carefully worded as not to sound like a command but, a suggestion.
 
If there is a teaching situation involving a whip, I have novices stay still and let the slave back into the whip, adjust themselves where it hits properly.  This gives the needed focus for the dominant to maintain a technique, the slave says nothing as to interrupt thought, skill focus and attempting to find the target all at once.  By, the slave backing into the whip voluntarily, it is submission in silence; to where the slave sets themselves in the proper whip zone.  That will in time no longer be needed however, a beautiful exchange none-the-less.
 
When serving,  a slave can give an oral story, as to what she/he is doing as they are doing it, as to give meaning for every step in the service to them.  For example; in serving a cup of coffee, the slave raises to their feet, backing three steps back.  As you do this, gently say, in taking three steps back I honor the present, the past and the future, turning away--as I turn my respect for you is turning only at this spot, as not to show my buttock or have it in your face--this is in respect for you.  You make the coffee and reenter the room.  When you stop at approximately 3 feet in front of him and stop.  You can say,  I stop at the boundaries of your personal space, out of respect for you and wait for your invitation to come into your personal space.
In kneeling, you can say;  I kneel as a form of a silent salute, in honor of you and although it is rooted deep in history as to show no threat to you, I do this in honor of those two things--showing I am not a threat to you and put myself at your mercy as well as honoring you in a silent salute.  When you stir the coffee, you can go counter clockwise, to honor time past (clock reference), clockwise to honor the future (time forward) and side to side (to reference sun rise and sun setting) to honor the present.
 
In this way, you are teaching the reasoning, the history and your slant on your service.  It will also give notice to the dominant, that what he witnesses from you is honor based--something that needs to be cherished as well as honor to you given back.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




sunnydays -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 3:03:37 PM)

thank you all for your support and understanding and you wonderful ideas.... Master does want to learn, but I have been worriedabout how to say things without changing the power exchange..i am no longer worried...wish us luck

sunnydays




BitaTruble -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 3:50:08 PM)

Good luck!




DarkSideisXTC -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 8:41:31 PM)

Staying in role as you provide feedback also helps. I am very experienced but I am still training my slave to always provide feedback.What she does is make me an offering. If she desires something she will do it in a way to offer it to me. I am free to accept her offering or reject it. As an example, something she might do is lay on the bed on all fours and say Master would you enjoy spanking me. What she wants is a spanking but is offering it to me, not topping me for one. 

JR




sunnydays -> RE: teaching without domming (10/17/2006 9:20:25 PM)

thar is a wonerful suggestion...tyvm




DivaDuchess -> RE: teaching without domming (10/18/2006 4:10:45 AM)

You've had wonderful suggestions and I have to say I agree ... make SUGGESTIONS, not demands.  I use the same thing as DarkSide ... my slaves are taught to 'offer' things they want or even if they get more pleasure out of the 'style' of spanking.  Much of what you wish your Dom to do ... is personal choice and preference stuff.  If you suggest but do not demand ... you shouldn't have a problem.

Keep in mind, as stated before, it's HIS decision whether to accept your suggestion or n
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