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twicehappy -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 1:31:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I don't understand that behavior when in relationships with people you FULLY choose to control having in your life or not. Me either though i feel i should elaborate. If Jewel puts something on and asks" does make me look fat (she is not by the way) i would have no difficulty answering her by saying "yes, that color with those stripes makes you look fat", she would do the same for me. No hurt feelings anywhere. If it is a touchy subject much like LA said i usually will say something to one of my friends like "You already know my opinion but if you want to hear it any way remember you asked". In the dirt club i road with there was a guy i always called "Asshole", he was your typical superior male, he never failed to stick his foot in his mouth whenever he opened it, he caused one of my best bike wrecks by going the wrong way on a track, he heard "fuck you R***" from me on a daily basis. He affectionately referred to me as "that bitch" or "the rattlesnake". Was he my friend? Hell yes! I would do anything for him i could and he would do the same for me. When he ripped himself open on some thorn vines i sewed him up on my back porch, when i got lost on the trail one day he was the first to start looking for me. He ate lunch at my house every Sunday for near twenty years; we never missed giving each other Christmas gifts. Why? Because each of us knew, accepted and respected the other exactly the way we were. No holds barred, none needed. I could have called him you wonderful guy but he'd have known i was lying. He could have called me sweet thing but i'd have probably fed him his teeth. If my mother bought a hideous couch and ask me what i thought i would say something like "Mom, i think it is awful which means i know you love it and it does suit the rest of your decor perfectly. Did you get a good buy on it?" I'd still be being totally honest and her feelings would not be hurt because she knows me. These are all people i choose to keep in my life, i do not, nor do i ever feel the need to, lie to them.**

agirl -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 2:22:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: agirl I KNEW that if she kept going at the rate she was, it wouldn't be long before she'd spot the changes. My aim was to keep her going long enough to do that. I was happy to fib and will happily fib again to obtain that result. agirl Relationships with relatives/coworkers/civil servants/anyone you do not consciously and willfully choose to spend social time with are a completely different context from what I am discussing. Trust me, the rules of tact, manipulation, lying, withholding information at will, social grease and avoidance are in FULL play when it comes to those relationships for me. I don't understand that behavior when in relationships with people you FULLY choose to control having in your life or not. I can see that. I , however, do have a fairly full range of emotions when involved with people in my life......and being blood-related doesn't mean they have any less of them than a friend may do. I choose the level of closeness, compassion, empathy that I have with/for my Mum, daughter etc. It's not a necessity borne out of blood. I do consciously spend social time with them. I don't really want to restrict myself to interaction that HAS to involve brutal honesty at all times. As I said, friendships for me don't all exist on the same plane. Some will welcome it, some would be crushed by it......intimacy and knowledge temper it. agirl

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 2:33:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl I don't really want to restrict myself to interaction that HAS to involve brutal honesty at all times. As I said, friendships for me don't all exist on the same plane. Some will welcome it, some would be crushed by it......intimacy and knowledge temper it. agirl For me it's not a restriction- it's a necessity. For me it's the only way I know how to love someone and be their friend. Again, might be why I really don't have many friends.

agirl -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 2:44:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross [ For me it's not a restriction- it's a necessity. For me it's the only way I know how to love someone and be their friend. Again, might be why I really don't have many friends. Yes. I don't understand this myself, as I don't love everyone I am friends with, nor do I need to...... but can still be friends. agirl

agirl -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 2:56:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I don't understand that behavior when in relationships with people you FULLY choose to control having in your life or not. Me either though i feel i should elaborate. If my mother bought a hideous couch and ask me what i thought i would say something like "Mom, i think it is awful which means i know you love it and it does suit the rest of your decor perfectly. Did you get a good buy on it?" I'd still be being totally honest and her feelings would not be hurt because she knows me. These are all people i choose to keep in my life, i do not, nor do i ever feel the need to, lie to them. Yes.........your Mum knows you and you know her. That is your situation and reality, so you behave the way you choose to, with that intimacy and knowledge. I don't NEED to lie.....I CHOOSE to.. because with my intimacy and knowledge, I know it serves some of my relationships and situations better.......in my reality. You know......... most of the time it really isn't necessary. agirl

raiken -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 3:14:17 PM)
Reading this thread reminds me of a book i had to read in college called "The City of Truth" by Morrow, i believe is the author. In this book, no one could lie about anything, or it was punishable by law. So, if you weren't really sincere for example, at the end of the letter you just wrote, you would have to sign it as "almost sincerly", or "half heartedly sincere" or things of that nature to indicate the honest level, else it would be subject to the laws for that category of lying....just imagine... i know i am pretty much transparent to those whom i have opened up to in my friendships as well as my intimate relationships. We each believe in the same principles, honesty cements our bond and lies will eventually end our bond. There are times i know that i may be brutally honest, but for those that know my heart and my intentions, they have taken the time to understand me and the way my heart/mind works and thinks. i don't believe that i would be happy knowing folks are lying to me about things that i may need to do some work on. i wouldn't want my friends to sugar coat my issues, for there would be no mutual benefit in that type of interaction. On the other hand, i will only surround myself with those who can take my honesty, as it is a big part of me. There were also times when i wish i was a bit better at phibing though! LOL! It would have saved my ass on more than one occasion. *grin

twicehappy -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 4:20:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl Yes.........your Mum knows you and you know her. That is your situation and reality, so you behave the way you choose to, with that intimacy and knowledge. I don't NEED to lie.....I CHOOSE to.. because with my intimacy and knowledge, I know it serves some of my relationships and situations better.......in my reality. You know......... most of the time it really isn't necessary. I do understand those little niceties that make the world go round hon. I was just trying to clear up that the truth does not need be presented hurtfully. And that depending on the relationship even blunt truth can be acceptable. Good luck to your daughter, losing those baby pounds is a tough thing to do.

MagiksSlave -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 5:41:56 PM)
LOL this is something Master wouldnt need to do!!! He always reads my mind I tease him and ask if he likes it in there!!! Also I dont keep stuff from him!! And even if I tried he would know something was up Magik's slave

juliaoceania -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 5:46:05 PM)
quote: Reading this thread reminds me of a book i had to read in college called "The City of Truth" by Morrow, i believe is the author. In this book, no one could lie about anything, or it was punishable by law. So, if you weren't really sincere for example, at the end of the letter you just wrote, you would have to sign it as "almost sincerly", or "half heartedly sincere" or things of that nature to indicate the honest level, else it would be subject to the laws for that category of lying....just imagine... I think this quote brings up a fairly good question, if someone could read your thoughts would it be in pictures, words, a combination of the two? Also, would the emotional value of these thoughts be present? Could the emotional content of the thoughts be even translated? Does this affect whether someone would desire such a device. I thought of this when I read the part of your post about judging how sincere someone is, how can one judge such a thing? Just my own rambling thoughts interjected here..[:D]

Rover -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 5:49:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I think this quote brings up a fairly good question, if someone could read your thoughts would it be in pictures, words, a combination of the two? Mine would be read in braille. John

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 5:59:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I think this quote brings up a fairly good question, if someone could read your thoughts would it be in pictures, words, a combination of the two? Mine would be read in braille. John Thread HIJACK! I just couldn't resist...I'm feeling nerdy tonight. Ok, so I feel nerdy ALL the time. It's a gift. LOL "Rover" in braille "John", in braille The dot at the beginning denotes a capital letter follows it. BTW, this is the generator I used for my braille brands. Master Fire

Rover -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 6:02:36 PM)
I tried closing my eyes and running my fingertips over them, and couldn't feel a thing. John P.S. - Are you sure they're not dominos?

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 6:10:03 PM)
Geee...I hope not, seeing how I've got them branded on my arms. LMAO I get asked if it's ASCII a lot. Not only am I a nerd, I work with nerds. ;-) I can't feel them on my arm either...It's going to take a while to get them to scar enough to be able to do that. I don't scar readily, which can be good or bad, depending. Master Fire

Rover -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 6:13:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam Geee...I hope not, seeing how I've got them branded on my arms. LMAO I get asked if it's ASCII a lot. Not only am I a nerd, I work with nerds. ;-) I can't feel them on my arm either...It's going to take a while to get them to scar enough to be able to do that. I don't scar readily, which can be good or bad, depending. Master Fire You had "Rover" and "John" branded on your arms? I'm.... touched. sniff John

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 6:19:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam Geee...I hope not, seeing how I've got them branded on my arms. LMAO I get asked if it's ASCII a lot. Not only am I a nerd, I work with nerds. ;-) I can't feel them on my arm either...It's going to take a while to get them to scar enough to be able to do that. I don't scar readily, which can be good or bad, depending. Master Fire You had "Rover" and "John" branded on your arms? I'm.... touched. sniff John Did I forget to tell you? Damn. I have "servant master" on the left and "warrior priestess" on the right. Note that they are lowercase...four less dots I had to endure! LOL Master Fire

Lashra -> RE: Transparency button? (10/17/2006 6:37:29 PM)
No, I think as human beings we should have access to our own thoughts, people do need privacy even owned ones IMO. However communication is a lesson alot of people could learn and perhaps that is a reason why we don't have transparency buttons, so that we can better learn to communicate with each other. ~Lashra

agirl -> RE: Transparency button? (10/18/2006 1:04:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: agirl Yes.........your Mum knows you and you know her. That is your situation and reality, so you behave the way you choose to, with that intimacy and knowledge. I don't NEED to lie.....I CHOOSE to.. because with my intimacy and knowledge, I know it serves some of my relationships and situations better.......in my reality. You know......... most of the time it really isn't necessary. I do understand those little niceties that make the world go round hon. I was just trying to clear up that the truth does not need be presented hurtfully. And that depending on the relationship even blunt truth can be acceptable. Good luck to your daughter, losing those baby pounds is a tough thing to do. Yep....lol. I wonder if my posts sound like I wander around lying willy nilly with no thought whatsoever.....I actually put a lot of thought into whether a fib is likely best, it's less work to be truthful...lol. As for little sproggette at the gym...... I glance over at her red face as she works away and am really proud of her, especially as I know she has never been a gym-bod like me. It's been hard for her to really stick at it. This weekend she was really excited that she can see the results now. Thanks for your kind words. agirl

Iskander -> RE: Transparency button? (10/18/2006 1:55:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I think this quote brings up a fairly good question, if someone could read your thoughts would it be in pictures, words, a combination of the two? I wouldn't have a prob with one of these buttons, it wouldn'y do gl any good, coz being multi lingual I can switch to one she doesn't know... [sm=biggrin.gif] Iskander...

gypsylee -> RE: Transparency button? (10/18/2006 2:14:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iskander quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I think this quote brings up a fairly good question, if someone could read your thoughts would it be in pictures, words, a combination of the two? I wouldn't have a prob with one of these buttons, it wouldn'y do gl any good, coz being multi lingual I can switch to one she doesn't know... [sm=biggrin.gif] Iskander... my thoughts would definitely be in pictures. like some kind of freaky Dali painting. as far as Iskander goes... i don't even wanna know.

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