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SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:32:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

SirKenin,

But isn't it fun to stir the pot on occasion? LOL

What you write is true (Leviticus for those unfamiliar with where in the Bible that homosexuality is lambasted).  Editted - True as in that what you said is in the Bible

It has become standard operating procedure to attack and vilify all those to whom you disagree.  It's not PC to attack someone based on their ethnicity (unless they're white) and you can't attack someone based on their religion (unless they're Christian) and you can't attack someone on their sexuality (unless they're straight), etc.  (I'm generalizing here for effect people ;-)

I don't believe in Racism, Sexism, etc. etc. - there are too many reasons to dislike people on an individual basis LOL


No, Leviticus has nothing to do with it.  Modern Christians are no longer held to Deuteronomic Law.   It is mentioned two places in the New Testament where homosexuality is condemned.  That is the part applicable to modern day Christians.  If you mention Leviticus, the naysayers come out with all their braindead arguments that not only do not make any sense whatsoever, they are not even remotely applicable to modern life.  Do not give them the chance to even start with their crap.




darkinshadows -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:35:06 AM)

My dearest TreSwank...
 
Didn't you know that Paul is much more important than Christ in the bible[sm=ofcourse.gif]?<please note my sarcasm>
I don't deny I have a total crush on you - and you must stop posting stuff like this, because you are just making it crushier  [sm=flowers.gif]... (just prewarning I am incredibly fertile)
There is only one article that made any sense in the previous argument of my 'brother' Kenin -
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The arguments border on the absurd.
Pretty much sums up his continuously contradicting argument.




ToGiveDivine -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:35:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

SirKenin,

But isn't it fun to stir the pot on occasion? LOL

What you write is true (Leviticus for those unfamiliar with where in the Bible that homosexuality is lambasted).  Editted - True as in that what you said is in the Bible

It has become standard operating procedure to attack and vilify all those to whom you disagree.  It's not PC to attack someone based on their ethnicity (unless they're white) and you can't attack someone based on their religion (unless they're Christian) and you can't attack someone on their sexuality (unless they're straight), etc.  (I'm generalizing here for effect people ;-)

I don't believe in Racism, Sexism, etc. etc. - there are too many reasons to dislike people on an individual basis LOL


No, Leviticus has nothing to do with it.  Modern Christians are no longer held to Deuteronomic Law.   It is mentioned two places in the New Testament where homosexuality is condemned.  That is the part applicable to modern day Christians.  If you mention Leviticus, the naysayers come out with all their braindead arguments that not only do not make any sense whatsoever, they are not even remotely applicable to modern life.  Do not give them the chance to even start with their crap.


Okay, then in the New Testament, you can find it in Paul's letter to Rome (Book of Romans)





TreSwank -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:36:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

SirK - dont worry about the homosexuals taking over America. Surely the Jewish Conspiracy would never allow that? And then there's the Freemasons to take on too.

Not to mention the Whoeverelseisconspiringtorulebecausewedontunderstandthems.

E


Ohhhh, their plan is not to take over America.  I am not too worried about that.. Their plan is to shove it in everyone else's face until people are so sick of listening to them they will just cave in and give the homosexuals whatever they want.


    It's so weird, that after thousands of years of being reviled and hated by everyone.....when gay men finally get a few years under the sun of media exposue, so many people get heated about "them there queer-folk takin' over the media"
One of my acquaintances once said to me "Why is it so hip to be fucking queer these days?  They're everywhere, now."  Like I said earlier , after a few millenia of being the most despised group on earth, I don't think that a civil rights struggle over marriage, and a temporary chicness, necessarily constitutes a hostile takeover.




SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:37:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

two human beings that love one another and wish to commit  to spending the rest of their life together


That is exactly how i feel!
 
Jewel's daughter and her life partner have to go to Cananda to get married and i think that is just wrong.


Marriage is a religious sacrament and homosexuality is not approved by the major religions.  So, if religion doesn't approve of your lifestyle then why would you want to be joined by a sacrament of the disapproving religion?

Why not get a civil union that provides the same benefits as marriage and be done with it?  Either A) you want alot of attention or B) you want to tear down religions because you don't agree with them.

If your goal is to tear down religion, then you deserve all the crap you get because most of the world's population believe in a supreme being and you are just wanting to fight the world.

Homosexuals don't like their beliefs to be questioned or attacked by religion, so why would you want to attack religion in return?  Someone has to be the bigger person, if it's not going to be the uber-religious, then maybe the homosexuals should take the higher ground.

You're not gay, and I can't expect you to understand this...but the folks that I know who have pushed to get married and have that RIGHT did it because they are PEOPLE and they have every right to be MARRIED just like two straight people can.  Why should they have to accept an alternative because someone is uncomfortable seeing homosexuals in the same arrangement, living a loving, happy life together?


Your argument is completely flawed because nobody has the RIGHT to get married.  Show Me where it says that in your Constitution.  It is not a right that you can demand.  If you do not like the Church's position on it, tough shit.  That IS their right.  Go get married somewhere else.  That IS your right.

And for what it is worth, I could care less for the institution of marriage.  Nowhere in the Bible is a ceremony mandated.  As far as I am concerned it is a complete waste of time and money unless your State mandates by Law that you must be wed in order to cohabitate (and most US States forbid common-law relationships, but they are perfectly legal here in Canada... YESSSSSSS.  lol).




LadyEllen -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:39:15 AM)

St Paul?

Strange, I thought it was Christianity. Not Paulianity / Churchianity / Mosianity or any other anity.

Maybe Insanity?

E




darkinshadows -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:39:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

SirK - dont worry about the homosexuals taking over America. Surely the Jewish Conspiracy would never allow that? And then there's the Freemasons to take on too.

Not to mention the Whoeverelseisconspiringtorulebecausewedontunderstandthems.

E


Ohhhh, their plan is not to take over America.  I am not too worried about that.. Their plan is to shove it in everyone else's face until people are so sick of listening to them they will just cave in and give the homosexuals whatever they want.

Oh gosh I know - just like when they forced everyone to accept the rights of women and blacks... they are such a bore...[sm=flying.gif]
 
Peace and Rapture




SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:39:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

SirKenin,

But isn't it fun to stir the pot on occasion? LOL

What you write is true (Leviticus for those unfamiliar with where in the Bible that homosexuality is lambasted).  Editted - True as in that what you said is in the Bible

It has become standard operating procedure to attack and vilify all those to whom you disagree.  It's not PC to attack someone based on their ethnicity (unless they're white) and you can't attack someone based on their religion (unless they're Christian) and you can't attack someone on their sexuality (unless they're straight), etc.  (I'm generalizing here for effect people ;-)

I don't believe in Racism, Sexism, etc. etc. - there are too many reasons to dislike people on an individual basis LOL


No, Leviticus has nothing to do with it.  Modern Christians are no longer held to Deuteronomic Law.   It is mentioned two places in the New Testament where homosexuality is condemned.  That is the part applicable to modern day Christians.  If you mention Leviticus, the naysayers come out with all their braindead arguments that not only do not make any sense whatsoever, they are not even remotely applicable to modern life.  Do not give them the chance to even start with their crap.


Okay, then in the New Testament, you can find it in Paul's letter to Rome (Book of Romans)




Ummm, Paul's letter to his church in Corinth actually (1 Corinthians) and one to his friend Titus.




SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:41:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

St Paul?

Strange, I thought it was Christianity. Not Paulianity / Churchianity / Mosianity or any other anity.

Maybe Insanity?

E


Blah blah blah.  Paul was God's appointed messenger.  You do not get Christianity without Paul.  You do not get to pick and choose.  Nice try.




LaTigresse -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:41:50 AM)

I dunnoooooooooooo. I actually am considering a world take over with lots of really sexy hot lesbians. And THEN I can rub all the straight guys face in the fact that they can't have them, and THEN........nananana boobooo.....tongue out, thumbs in ears, fingers wiggling, just like when I was 8ish.

(OMG, business really does need to pick up in this shop, I have wayyyyyyyyyy too much free time on my hands. I am beginning to annoy myself!!)




SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:43:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TreSwank
   It's so weird, that after thousands of years of being reviled and hated by everyone.....when gay men finally get a few years under the sun of media exposue, so many people get heated about "them there queer-folk takin' over the media"
One of my acquaintances once said to me "Why is it so hip to be fucking queer these days?  They're everywhere, now."  Like I said earlier , after a few millenia of being the most despised group on earth, I don't think that a civil rights struggle over marriage, and a temporary chicness, necessarily constitutes a hostile takeover.


Read the book..  You will see.  It is not a "hostile takeover" per se, but this has not started recently.  This has been going on for decades, very subtly at first and gradually increasing in strength.  All part of the strategy. 

http://www.amazon.com/After-Ball-America-Conquer-Hatred/dp/0452264987




darkinshadows -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:44:23 AM)


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Blah blah blah.  Paul was God's appointed messenger.  You do not get Christianity without Paul.  You do not get to pick and choose.  Nice try.
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Actually... you don't get christianity without Christ.
Peace and Rapture




SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:45:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I dunnoooooooooooo. I actually am considering a world take over with lots of really sexy hot lesbians. And THEN I can rub all the straight guys face in the fact that they can't have them, and THEN........nananana boobooo.....tongue out, thumbs in ears, fingers wiggling, just like when I was 8ish.

(OMG, business really does need to pick up in this shop, I have wayyyyyyyyyy too much free time on my hands. I am beginning to annoy myself!!)



Who needs to have them?  Most of them are ugly.  However, I have to love it when they let Me paw their boobies....  Mmmmm...




darkinshadows -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:45:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I dunnoooooooooooo. I actually am considering a world take over with lots of really sexy hot lesbians. And THEN I can rub all the straight guys face in the fact that they can't have them, and THEN........nananana boobooo.....tongue out, thumbs in ears, fingers wiggling, just like when I was 8ish.

(OMG, business really does need to pick up in this shop, I have wayyyyyyyyyy too much free time on my hands. I am beginning to annoy myself!!)


[:D]... I wish I had a camera...
Peace and Rapture
 




ToGiveDivine -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:46:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I dunnoooooooooooo. I actually am considering a world take over with lots of really sexy hot lesbians. And THEN I can rub all the straight guys face in the fact that they can't have them, and THEN........nananana boobooo.....tongue out, thumbs in ears, fingers wiggling, just like when I was 8ish.

(OMG, business really does need to pick up in this shop, I have wayyyyyyyyyy too much free time on my hands. I am beginning to annoy myself!!)



Who needs to have them?  Most of them are ugly.  However, I have to love it when they let Me paw their boobies....  Mmmmm...



Snicker - he said boobies - hee hee hee




SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:48:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows
Actually... you don't get christianity without Christ.
Peace and Rapture



Yes, that is true, but you also do not get Christianity without the Bible, nor do you get it without Paul.  They all go hand in hand.  You take them all, or you take none.  That is the way it works.  You do not get to justify your behaviour by picking and choosing what you want.  It might justify it in your head, but it does not in Christ's, and that is ultimately what matters.




LadyEllen -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:51:12 AM)

So, are we saying we need to choose between Christianity and rights for homosexuals?

E




SirKenin -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:53:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I dunnoooooooooooo. I actually am considering a world take over with lots of really sexy hot lesbians. And THEN I can rub all the straight guys face in the fact that they can't have them, and THEN........nananana boobooo.....tongue out, thumbs in ears, fingers wiggling, just like when I was 8ish.

(OMG, business really does need to pick up in this shop, I have wayyyyyyyyyy too much free time on my hands. I am beginning to annoy myself!!)



Who needs to have them?  Most of them are ugly.  However, I have to love it when they let Me paw their boobies....  Mmmmm...



Snicker - he said boobies - hee hee hee


lol [:D]  There was one lesbian girl at the gay bar I liked to go to (before they got shut down.. grrrr) that had the most amazing body.  I asked her if I could paw them and she came up and shoved them in My face so I could.  Mmmmmmmmm.  [8D]




darkinshadows -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:54:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows
Actually... you don't get christianity without Christ.
Peace and Rapture



Yes, that is true, but you also do not get Christianity without the Bible, nor do you get it without Paul.  They all go hand in hand.  You take them all, or you take none.  That is the way it works.  You do not get to justify your behaviour by picking and choosing what you want.  It might justify it in your head, but it does not in Christ's, and that is ultimately what matters.

Well, without the bible, you would still have Christianity.  And you would have it without paul.  Christianity was in exisitance before the bible was 'written' and before the council.  That is the way it works.  You might want to justify it in your head and pick what you choose to believe, but not the fact as history records and Christ instructed.
 
Peace and Rapture




Mercnbeth -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/18/2006 11:56:06 AM)

If anyone is interested in the pragmatic aspects of this issue read on.

Same sex marriage is not a civil rights issue. Civil right laws for minorities or any group are created when a person from one group has access to a commodity that a person from another group does not. That test holds true for all civil rights laws in place concerning hiring practices, promotions, housing, and lending. Some laws make some minority groups "more equal" such as the quotas set in place for hiring in civil service positions or college placement; in an effort to make up for a past injustice. However, the goal and the common denominator for all injustice correcting laws on the books is to give equal access to all. For this reason, it will be difficult to argue through the US Supreme Court the "right" to marry a same sex partner. Currently everyone in the US has the right to marry an opposite sex partner. Asking to marry a same sex partner is not asking for equality, it's asking for a new "right".

So what? Why is this a problem? Why can't there be same sex marriages? Why shouldn't homosexuals have the ability to be as miserable or happy as the rest of married folk? As most issues in the US the answer is $$$$$.

Although health care benefits provided by an employer may becoming rare, the largest US employer has them in place. Civil service positions from the national to local level commonly provide free, or low cost heath coverage for the employee and spouse. The ability for same sex partners to marry would exponentially increase the cost of coverage for the employer. In the case of government workers, it would increase the taxes necessary to support the program. But based upon any agreed upon percentage of gay individuals in the US the number of affected people should not be large enough to make an impact. But what requirement will be necessary to "prove" your gay-ness for a married same sex union? Most likely the same proof required when two "straight" people are married - none. Two friends can get married just so one, who is ill, can have access to health care. Hell, I'd do it for a friend in that circumstance, and I'm a cold heartless bastard!

Add into the equation the tax benefit. Two people living in the same residence as room mates making approximately the same a amount of money can save a minimum of 35% by filing as a "married" couple. Hell again! BECAUSE I'm a cold hearted and calculating bastard I'd do that! Compound the issue of lost estate tax revenue and all the other benefits that marriage provides and the money aspect of this issue is HUGE!

If you want a law allowing for same sex marriage you can go down a path that eliminates the obstacles. A flat tax rate, a national universal health program, and elimination of the estate tax would go a long way. Obviously these issues are for another thread.

As an individual I fully support and feel empathy for those in love who can't marry because they are of the same sex. However they are not being discriminated against. They have the same rights as every other US citizen. I recognize the frustration of the situation, but pragmatically, that's the way it is.




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