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LadyEllen -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 5:09:27 PM)

I believe a lot of it has to do with limited experiences, bad experiences and no experiences of a certain group.

For instance, no contact with ethnic minorities seems to force a negative stereotyped view of them on those not in contact with them.

Limited experiences of an ethnic group will produce an incorrect view of the whole which is wrong.

Bad experiences of an ethnic group will tend to brand all those belonging to that group negatively.

And I think that could be extended to any and every group we might choose to divide off from "us" - like pro-dommes, crossdressers etc

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MasterFireMaam -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 5:44:06 PM)

We judge others because we judge ourselves. This can have two scenarios...we judge others after they have judged us as a means of relatiation OR we judge others before they judge us as a result of an assumption on our part.

If you don't like something in someone...or are angry about a certain thing/attitude, look deeper...it's in you, too...and you don't like it being there. I STILL struggle with the supremacist stuff.

Master Fire



Lordandmaster -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 6:23:40 PM)

I'm intolerant of people who are tolerant of intolerance.

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

Are you intolerant of anything about a person and if so why? 



WyrdRich -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 6:48:14 PM)

   I'm intolerant of people who blame all their problems on intolerance.



LotusSong -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 7:11:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm not sure this is the right place for this or how this discussion will turn out but please i am not looking for people flaming each other. [:D]
After reading a thread in general and  noting the opinion of someone towards obese people it made me think.
Why are we so judgemental of others and what are the causes or what are the reasons we judge them? 
Are you intolerant of anything about a person and if so why? 


I think it's about sorting out what you want in life. What you want to be, or look at, or drive.. we all make the judgment of what we need to be happy.  When someone tells us that we HAVE to be involved with something just because it exists, even if we find it not to our liking.  It's really not a judgment, it's simply a stating of preference.
 
But then I think we all realize it's only a judgment if someone doesn't like what is said. If it is a accepted by several..the same statement is a consensus.



truesub4u -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 8:22:39 PM)

As it was stated to me when I first joined CM... it's not so much the opinion most oppose.. it's how it's given.

As in the post about my chemo with Micheal... his opinion didn't bother me... it was how it was stated. Granted it was his personal opinion...and he even stated so.. but still struck me like a slap across the face. He may not of ment to.. but it did.

I think it all depends on the subject... the person giving the opinion...and the one receiving.... but pure stupidity.. and it's really easy to spot for most... is something I just can't... and won't put up with..



Mavis -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 8:55:48 PM)

people who are bright but deride people born with less innate intelligence bug me. 
people who are attractive but deride those who are less so irritate me.
people who are thin and deride those who are fat piss me off.
people who are fat but dislike thin people piss me off as well.

The common element is that stance that "My state is preferable, and I got it by some special merit"   My diet, my genes, my strength of will, something, makes me better.

Why?  because i was raised by a very vain woman who took such pride in her looks, something she had NO control over, but she didn't respect people for persuing education,  saying "well, sure, they have to get smart, they have nothing else to offer"  She said the same about "homely people", "sure, they're nice, they have nothing else to offer".  As if only what she had to offer, something she got by random chance, was more valuable than things others struggled to do, have, be or achieve.

Funny, she thought she was being passed over by the world because she was disadvantaged by good looks.  Actually, she was disadvantaged by having a mean spirited approach.    So mean spirited peole piss me off, maybe because i am always afraid i could turn out like that,  so many times my mothers voice comes out of my mouth.



subfever -> RE: Opinions of others (10/17/2006 9:41:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

i'm intolerant of polititians


What are polititians, females that have more than two tits? ... [;)]



nefertari -> RE: Opinions of others (10/18/2006 10:30:15 PM)

I'm a very tolerant person and try very hard to not be judgemental.  Of course, I'm also human.  When I find myself judging someone harshly, I take a step back and try to look at things from a different perspective.  Sometimes I realize I was mistaken, or maybe just a bit harsh.  Sometimes I realize that maybe I wasn't so off the mark. 

That being said, I have little tolerance for the deliberately obtuse (includes racists, etc, as well as those that just won't see things outside their little box) and those with the victim mentality.  Those two things really frustrate the hell out of me.



Sabastianaa -> RE: Opinions of others (10/18/2006 10:57:23 PM)

as honest as I can make it is simple *Many that judge others for whatever the reason most times do so too make themselves look and or feel better *



juliaoceania -> RE: Opinions of others (10/18/2006 11:00:46 PM)

I am one of those people that believes we all are intolerant at times. We may not voice it, but there arise feelings in most people about others.

As far as what I am intolerant about..it can vary from day to day. I am intolerant feeling of slow people in the express line at the store, of assholes that cut me off on the road, of people that have almost hit me when I am exercising because they are talking on their cell phones, of children skateboarding around my window at 2 am because I live in an apartment and their parents have no sense... I could go on and on....

I am not intolerant of sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, educational level, or age. I am not intolerant of the disabled or of fat people. I am not intolerant of immaturity in the young.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Opinions of others (10/18/2006 11:18:14 PM)


~ Fast Reply ~

I'm intolerant of anyone who harms little ones, older ones, or animal ones.

Other than that, others may annoy or anger me, but I'll tolerate a little annoyance or anger in my life.

As for why people get bugged so much by the things others say and do, for me it's because something about what they say or how they say it hits something inside me. 

For a hypothetical, if I'm not too happy with myself in general, and then someone says something, maybe having nothing to do with me but it's about something I have struggled with.  And they're carrying on about how great and easy this was, I might feel even worse about myself.  I might resent them for being so joyful about this, because it shines my own light on myself about my ineptitude.

Or, for example, if someone poses a comment or question to me in a manner that triggers something in me - maybe my abusive ex used to talk to me like that - I might feel riled inside, or defensive.  I might lash out without realizing the connection.

Those are examples I have experienced in the past, and fortunately I have worked through many of those issues within myself.  But they do occur.  Often when someone gets riled at you, it really has nothing to do with you and everything to do with them.

Except of course when little ones, older ones and animal ones who are unable to defend themselves are hurt. 

When I was caring for my grandmother - she was 94 - I took her shopping a lot.  People would get soooo impatient with her as she sloooowwwwly pulled out her money at the register.  It was unbelieveable how many huffs and puffs I heard.  I would turn to the huffer and say, rather directly yet politely, "Her bones don't move any faster.  Yours won't either when you are her age."  The more I hung out with her the more I saw just how rude society is to our eldery.  In my opinion, anyone that old has earned the right to take her time.



pqwinny -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 5:27:49 AM)

i'm intolerant of my own intolerance.  i may not even be aware of a 'peice' of it until i recognize my own  harsh or judgemental response to someone or something.  That response acts as a flashlight lighting a dark spot within me that could benefit from some conscious understanding and acceptance or change.

i've discovered that you really don't need to ask people what they are intolerant of, if you listen (or read here) it clearly reveals itself.  None of us are perfect.  i believe living should be a process of evolving.  But that takes effort and some aren't willing to exert themselves.



michaelGA2 -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 5:30:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

i'm intolerant of polititians


What are polititians, females that have more than two tits? ... [;)]


now THAT i'd vote for...[sm=banana.gif]



Arpig -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 6:10:25 AM)

quote:

Why are we so judgemental of others and what are the causes or what are the reasons we judge them? 

This one is simple...because we are human. People are judgemental, that is just the way we are
 
quote:

Are you intolerant of anything about a person and if so why?
Yes, lots of things. Here's a few of my main annoyances that relate to forums (more or less).
1. Women who pretend to be stupid in order to be "popular"
2. Incompetence, and by this I mean the inability to do simple things such as change a lightbulb or set the time on a VCR, etc. This one is usually just an annoyance, but it becomes a total piss off when it is feigned (usually along the lines of "helpless female"), pisses me off completely!!!![:@]
3. The W/we Y/you crap!!! I try hard not to but I generally feel the people who type this way are idiots. I know its not the case, but that is the impression I get.
4. Netspeak. If u type like this I no u r an idiot. TRY A REAL LANGUAGE!!!!! I despise this sort of shit! Any emails written this way will get ignored, or a snarky smart-ass reply, no matter who they are from or what they are about. I had a supervisor who wrote this way once, and I sent every one of his emails back asking him to translate it into either English or French as I didn't speak Moronese. He never caught on that I was insulting him...which just confirmed my opinion of netspeak-types.
5. Rude thread pullers. I know that it is generally viewed as some sort of service, but I get really annoyed at the "Its been discussed before, don't waste my time bringing it up again" sort of repies.



Mavis -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 9:01:48 AM)

Steps in to mix #2 (helpless female)  and #3   (S/slash S/speak)

i have spoken to Master about it,  it was nearly a hard limit for me as i think it's assuming the reader can't tell multiple roles and positions are being addressed, so it's typing down to people, BUT, He will not relax the rule for me.  i try to explain it when i can, but i feel sorry for the poor green sods who pick it up because they believe it's the correct "way W/we do things online". pfft.



Arpig -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 9:21:39 AM)

Ah well then Mavis, as it is not your fault and you have tried to remedy the situation I will give you an official pass [;)]



gooddogbenji -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 9:24:33 AM)

I'm intolerant of a whole fucking lot.  Stupidity, ignorance, laziness (when they affect me) blind tolerance, blind intolerance, blind obedience, and the generally useless.

Oh, and gratuitous swearing.

Yours,


benji



LotusSong -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 9:31:46 AM)

Edited because I didn't realize I had already responded :)



Mercnbeth -> RE: Opinions of others (10/19/2006 10:11:44 AM)

I'm intolerant of hypocrisy in of its forms.

From an institution such as the ACLU, currently planning a court battle against Escondido against an ordinance passed concerning landlords who rent to illegal aliens.
quote:

The City Council gave its preliminary approval Wednesday to a law that would require landlords to check the immigration status of renters. The landlords would face punitive action, such as fines, if found to be renting to people in the country illegally.
The San Diego and Imperial County Chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union plans to sue the city to stop the ordinance, said David Blair-Loy, the lead attorney for the local ACLU chapter. http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/10/08/news/top_stories/22_04_4710_7_06.txt
Currently illegal aliens are not US citizens. How do they earn the right to have their illegal status defended? The hypocrisy of the ACLU is in the manner they have not address the situation in Minnesota where Muslim taxi drivers are denying and illegally not taking on all passengers because they are transporting liqueur. I guess to the ACLU illegal immigrates deserve more support than passengers being illegally denied a right to a ride. Source: http://www.startribune.com/462/story/709262.html

Hypocritical people, who want to enforce laws, such as illegal immigration, selectively.

Hypocritical solutions such as those whose solution for past prejudicial practices is support for ongoing reverse prejudicial practices such as Affirmative Action. Nothing can be done in the present to change the past and all it's injustice. Putting in place practices and policies which by their nature make some people "more equal" than others insures injustice will be a part of the future.

Hypocritical "leaders" at every level of government and organization. Elected individuals are expected to be hypocritical frauds. They can't get elected or even be put on the ballot without those traits, committed more to their benefactors agenda than their constituency. Politicians are fortunate to have a large herd of sheep willing to vote based upon labels and buzzwords versus issues. What's especially bothersome at the organizational lever are some of those within the alternative lifestyle community; "welcoming" everyone, but with fraudulent acceptance of any other opinion or activity they don't agree. Instead of being committed to common goals for the good of the community, they only seek power and accolades. Finally when enough don't agree, their "commitment" migrates to another group of more compliant sheep.



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