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If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd be ... - 10/18/2006 10:48:21 AM   
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I teach communication these days at the college level. So, I was running a scenario that was asking how people perceive others, and then how do they react to others based on those perceptions. I generally leave myself out of these examples, but one of the young women in the class brought "me" into the conversation that was designed around figuring out if someone you just met/or have known for some time is of a dominant or less dominant (they don't use submissive in this context) personality, and how one should react to such a person. She indicated that it was quite obvious I was of a strong, dominant personality. And the rest of the class agreed with her.

Well, obviously, being a lifestyle submissive, this intrigued me, so I explored this further. Due to my "control" of the classroom and my strong public speaking presence, I was obviously of a dominant nature, and that the correct reaction from students (this is from the students' conversation, not mine) was that in creating the most comfortable environment would require the student to be of the less dominant persuasion so as not to counter my "dominant" tendencies. (for the record: the purpose of the lecture was that one does not need to be less dominant, submissive, in order to communicate interpersonally with another dominant, that knowing one's disposition is what's necessary, not that one has to change oneself in order to compensate for someone else's disposition, but we hadn't gone that far in the conversation yet)

I asked if it might be possible that one's position in a conversational dynamic (like an instructor of a course) might be environmentally constructed rather than personality constructed. The original student responded that one's outside the classroom disposition could be determined by how that person interacted within the classroom, so obviously I was dominant in both spheres of environments.

Therefore, I must be a dominant, and all women must now submit to me. Unless they don't want to. Or they tell me otherwise...or....

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 10:56:01 AM   
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*chuckle*

Having a dominant personality is not the same thing as being a Dominant. Having a dominant personality, or even being a Dominant, doesn't mean you don't serve. Serving doesn't mean you submit. It can even extend into SM...being masochist doesn't guarantee you are a submissive or slave..and vice versa. As LA says, what determines the Ds or Ms dynamic is the transfer of authority...you have willfully chosen to follow another's lead. The doesn't mean that the subordinate all of a sudden has a changed personality or IQ or skin color. It simply means the Dominant has assumed control.

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 11:15:33 AM   
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No wonder you have been haveing so much trouble finding a life style partner you have been barking up the wrong tree LOL j/k

If you think about it a teacher has to be Domanent in the classroom thats just how the job is!!

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 11:24:42 AM   
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Just more proof that one's personality isn't any indication of one's personal relationship orientation.  And that how one interacts with the world at large is not an indication of one's status within another personal relationship.

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 11:56:50 AM   
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I thank you for sharing this... sometimes it is interesting to see how vanillas can inadvertently affect our discussions LOL

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 12:02:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

If you think about it a teacher has to be Domanent in the classroom thats just how the job is!!

Magik's slave


In my experience, at least at the college/university level, I have found this to be true. Simply standing up in front of the class causes a lot of people to give you the authority to be there. So, again, it doesn't matter what your personality type or whatever...it's the exchange of authority.

(I have SO stolen the authority thing from LA. LOL Something about imitation and flattery.)

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 12:02:23 PM   
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This is a good topic.
 
i like what Master Fire has shared.  i do not define who i am as a person soley by my desire to submit in a relationship.  i believe that personal intimate desires are not always a strong indicator of ones disposition outside of the nature of a relationship.  Sometimes desires can be misleading to those folks who don't yet understand themselves and/or the difference between a person as a whole, and the person's role (or label they choose for themselves) within a relationship. 

i am dominant in personality, but within my relationships i choose to submit, for that fulfills my personal desires and preferences, but ONLY within the context of that particular relationship.  Outside of my relationship, one would not be able to tell what side of the M/s i reside.  Unless of course you knew me in that regard.  i top quite often, but i would not feel fulfilled to interact as a full time dominant.  But those who didn't know me, have assumed that because i was topping that evening, that i was a dominant in my personal relationships. 
 
It also reminds me of my one dom friend who loves to serve and care for his sub.  At times if you didn't know them, you would think he was her sub. But in actuality, it is just his nature to serve those he cares for, for this fulfills him. 
 
The servant leader archetype comes to mind.  i often tease him and call him a latent sub, but all joking aside, he is clearly the dom in his relationship.  Nothing wrong with a dominant who enjoys serving and caring for what is theirs.
 
Just goes to show how appearances on the surface can be very misleading.  As LA stated, this is an area that does offer more proof that one cannot base who they are on the whole, soley upon their position of power within a personal relationship.
 
 
 

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 12:06:16 PM   
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quote:

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The servant leader archetype comes to mind.  i often tease him and call him a latent sub, but all joking aside, he is clearly the dom in his relationship.  Nothing wrong with a dominant who enjoys serving and caring for what is theirs.



Hence, I have "servant master" branded on my arm. ;-)

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 12:07:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam
(I have SO stolen the authority thing from LA. LOL Something about imitation and flattery.)

Master Fire


And believe me, I am quite flattered!!!

It's ok, I stole it from someone else too :)

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 4:52:47 PM   
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Dear D.-
 
The first thing that occured to me while I was reading this was that you'd be a more effective leader/teacher than most of those I know that present as dominants (based entirly on your contributions and interactions here on the boards).
 
Further reflection made me consider the very basis of your lecture applies well to the model of my relationships- I don't want a 'submissive' person as a partner- I want a person that submits to me within our interaction.
 
Excellent seeder- I may be back to this after I have thought about it...
 
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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 5:31:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I teach communication these days at the college level. So, I was running a scenario that was asking how people perceive others, and then how do they react to others based on those perceptions. I generally leave myself out of these examples, but one of the young women in the class brought "me" into the conversation that was designed around figuring out if someone you just met/or have known for some time is of a dominant or less dominant (they don't use submissive in this context) personality, and how one should react to such a person. She indicated that it was quite obvious I was of a strong, dominant personality. And the rest of the class agreed with her.

Well, obviously, being a lifestyle submissive, this intrigued me, so I explored this further. Due to my "control" of the classroom and my strong public speaking presence, I was obviously of a dominant nature, and that the correct reaction from students (this is from the students' conversation, not mine) was that in creating the most comfortable environment would require the student to be of the less dominant persuasion so as not to counter my "dominant" tendencies. (for the record: the purpose of the lecture was that one does not need to be less dominant, submissive, in order to communicate interpersonally with another dominant, that knowing one's disposition is what's necessary, not that one has to change oneself in order to compensate for someone else's disposition, but we hadn't gone that far in the conversation yet)

I asked if it might be possible that one's position in a conversational dynamic (like an instructor of a course) might be environmentally constructed rather than personality constructed. The original student responded that one's outside the classroom disposition could be determined by how that person interacted within the classroom, so obviously I was dominant in both spheres of environments.

Therefore, I must be a dominant, and all women must now submit to me. Unless they don't want to. Or they tell me otherwise...or....


I agree with others who've noted that the way you interact with people in the "outside" world and even within an intimate circle of acquaintances may not necessarily be the way you are inside yourself and/or when you are involved in a D/s relationship with someone.

It is interesting that another on here noted the way vanillas often see us. 
I like to think of myself as a gentleman.  I was raised that way...hold a chair for a lady, open the door for a lady, stand until the lady is seated, walk on the outside of the sidewalk, take a lady's arm while crossing the street, etc..  The reason I bring this up in relation to my first statement about another's mention of vanillas is that it is interesting to me hos some within our own "realm" see us.  To some in D/s, my mentioned behavior...like raiken's dom friend... might make me appear to be somewhat submissive; yet those who know me intimately within this lifestyle know that I am not.  However, there are those few who...for whatever reason...see courteous behavior on the part of a male dominant...or service of some sort for a lady...as being submissive in nature. 

I think we all vary our actions and behaviors somewhat on the environment, as you noted sarbonn.  With some patients, I exert more control than I do with others.  With certain family members, the dominance is definitely held in check so as not to provoke a situation of "alpha" vs. "alpha".

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 6:44:59 PM   
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My Dom is a gentleman.  He opens doors for me.  I am forbidden to exit the vehicle without waiting for Him to get out and come around to open the door for me.  We were at a store recently getting out of the car and an employee saw Him do this and commented that he rarely sees that happen but thinks it was very sweet.  Little did He know that not only was it sweet but it was also a way to remind me that I am submissive to my Dom.  Just as when He took my hand to walk into the store was sweet and romantic but also a sign of His ownership during that time period.  To someone outside this world He appears to be the total gentleman that He is, and inside this world some might mistake Him for being a soft Dom.   They would be very wrong and lol i can show a few bruises from the weekend that can attest to that fact.   BTW He states He is sadist and i believe Him lol


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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 6:57:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I teach communication these days at the college level. So, I was running a scenario that was asking how people perceive others, and then how do they react to others based on those perceptions. I generally leave myself out of these examples, but one of the young women in the class brought "me" into the conversation that was designed around figuring out if someone you just met/or have known for some time is of a dominant or less dominant (they don't use submissive in this context) personality, and how one should react to such a person. She indicated that it was quite obvious I was of a strong, dominant personality. And the rest of the class agreed with her.

Well, obviously, being a lifestyle submissive, this intrigued me, so I explored this further. Due to my "control" of the classroom and my strong public speaking presence, I was obviously of a dominant nature, and that the correct reaction from students (this is from the students' conversation, not mine) was that in creating the most comfortable environment would require the student to be of the less dominant persuasion so as not to counter my "dominant" tendencies. (for the record: the purpose of the lecture was that one does not need to be less dominant, submissive, in order to communicate interpersonally with another dominant, that knowing one's disposition is what's necessary, not that one has to change oneself in order to compensate for someone else's disposition, but we hadn't gone that far in the conversation yet)

I asked if it might be possible that one's position in a conversational dynamic (like an instructor of a course) might be environmentally constructed rather than personality constructed. The original student responded that one's outside the classroom disposition could be determined by how that person interacted within the classroom, so obviously I was dominant in both spheres of environments.

Therefore, I must be a dominant, and all women must now submit to me. Unless they don't want to. Or they tell me otherwise...or....


Lovely thread, littlesarbonn.

Allow me to respond from the other side.

In my relationship, I am Dominant.  I am a rather laid back person, but I tend to be clear about my expectations and desires and enjoy the hell out of turning my partner into a puddle of submissive goo.

One of my jobs, the self-defense one, requires me to be deferential to the lead female instructor in the class.  Additionally, it requires me to not voice my own person opinions about things, to frame any input I have in terms of "I," and to accept the fact that I am neither in charge nor is my input really desired.  That is not the nature of my job.

I have been told I am one of the easiest mock assailants to work with because I refuse to argue or whatever with the lead female instructor, at least not in class.
My job is to make her look good, and I do this extremely well.  It is a mask I wear to do something in life.  It is something I do, and do well, but it does not define who I am.

I hope this is of some value to you.

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RE: If one's top/bottom persuasion was a democracy, I'd... - 10/18/2006 7:00:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: topcat

Further reflection made me consider the very basis of your lecture applies well to the model of my relationships- I don't want a 'submissive' person as a partner- I want a person that submits to me within our interaction.
 


Hello Lawrence and A/all,

I have to agree with this.

An intellectual powerhouse with a strong personality who submits to me tends to turn me into a happily moaning puddle of Dominant goo.

But that is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy 

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