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slavedesires -> introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 6:17:30 AM)

I read this on many a profile journal:

“I continue to be frustrated by the number of people that seem to think they need to know my limits, my interests, my needs, my desires, etc. in order to even *begin* a conversation with me.

Get over it. Those things are my business and best learned *during* the "getting-to-know-you" stage. That's the whole point in "getting-to-know-you!" “

Now I have the spunk to respond:

Getting to know someone means you share your interests, needs, desires, limits when you get to know someone in this lifestyle. Imagine falling madly insanely in love with a vanilla man only to find out that on your wedding day he made you wear a dog collar, branded you and forced you to drink his pee. Damn! He never told me about all this shit you'd say and head right to the attorney's office.

My latest journal entry read:
The proof of desire is pursuit. You will never possess what you are unwilling to pursue. Desires is not what you want but what you cannot live without.

l...... if you desire, then you pursue
I cannot live without certain things.... so I pursue them with a passion...
Whether it is to kneel, serve, spanked, loved, owned or eat custard, chocolate, see Brad Pitt in person, go to a Styx concert, make Italian food…etc

One forums reads, do you want to meet the man or the Dom? Well hell...who is who? Can you separate it out? Sub/slave and or woman? I am who I am and I just hide certain parts of me when I am at work (well that’s not true, cause the lady I work for knows I am a slave and a submissive personality) and from my family (they would die if they knew I was a cumslut and fuck toy, incompatible with evangelical Christianity) ..........

well i am rambling this am i think....my point being...you are pursuing a different type of relationship, if you have an ad here, one that is specific to desires, wants, needs ..... grab the gusto, risk it, met a man who has your desires and see if you are compatible in vanilla as well...if not so what, you had a hell of a ride.

You are NOT promised this afternoon, nor may tomorrow and your desires never be realized if you hide behind excuses of.... but I don't want to meet you if you don't like alternative music or the color blue or you don't like Italian food.

The night i met Master we discussed desires.... needs... limits.....
The next time we discussed other fringe things.....
The next time He brought out my fears, anxieties and insecurities...,
then He took my limits and made them unimportant to me ....
He took my mind, my spirit, my body and then i gave all of me
why in that order? If He loved, desired, needed all of what i had given Him before i gave Him my heart, then i knew my heart would be His.
Besides, i sort of liked Him already.
He challenged me and i risked..... because desire is not want i wanted but what i could not live without.

ok, just my opinion. Got it out of me [sm=tongue.gif]

shy




Dave8544 -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 7:42:26 AM)

So many think that because you don't tell them your life history in a first chat, that your a poser, or wanker, they never think you might feel the same about them, A screen name is just that, it does not make you a Domme. and you their personal submissive. Maybe some people need to get to know who you really are before they open up.




ProtagonistLily -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 8:04:24 AM)

quote:

So many think that because you don't tell them your life history in a first chat, that your a poser, or wanker, they never think you might feel the same about them, A screen name is just that, it does not make you a Domme. and you their personal submissive. Maybe some people need to get to know who you really are before they open up


Right on man, right on!

Lily




Darthbetta -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 10:40:47 AM)

I do not try to "TOP" right from the start at the first communication. the ' ON YOUR KNEES BITCH !" email is lame and completely laughable.

I have been referred to as "undomly" because... oh fuckk I donno... I want to KNOW THE PERSON before I want to have them pleading for mercy and begging to be released from the binders.

Just a 4-11 to all you sobs who have a predisposed idea of how a dom should act/ chat.




RealityFix -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 10:53:44 AM)

Patience is a virtue. Some folks just have it in short supply.

I'd rather waste a little time on an opportunity that never works out than miss ones that would never occur otherwise.




EStrict -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 11:41:43 AM)

I guess it depends on what you are looking for. If all you are looking to do is play, then the sooner you learn what they are *into* compared to you, the quicker you can dismiss or make a connection.

If you are looking for more, then I believe you should start with more. Anyone in type of long term, real life relationship will tell you *life happens*. It's not all fun and games, dominance and submission, and *I* speak, *you* do. Sickness, bad weather, work, family, and life in general ALL change *hardfast* rules on occassion. We don't get to *play* or even just have sex as much as we would always like (well, actually, that would be impossible ::winks::), so if we didn't *like* each other as people, and we had nothing in common, our relationship would be very doomed.





TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 12:33:59 PM)

My style has always been to offer as much information about myself as humanly possible in a way that allows the interested to learn quite a bit about me, while those who want to get to know me a bit at a time can also do that.

To that end, my website contains lots of info (like my real name, address, and phone number) as well as my philosophy of BDSM and what particular activities I am interested in.

I find that this drastically limits the responses I get, but those who do respond are often more compatible, and I do not spend a lot of time with someone just to find out the they freak out if their Master even looks at another woman.

As always, YMMV...

Taggard




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 1:55:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slavedesires
“I continue to be frustrated by the number of people that seem to think they need to know my limits, my interests, my needs, my desires,

Get over it. Those things are my business and best learned *during* the "getting-to-know-you" stage.

Now I have the spunk to respond:

Getting to know someone means you share your interests, needs, desires, limits when you get to know someone in this lifestyle.
My latest journal entry read:
The proof of desire is pursuit. You will never possess what you are unwilling to pursue. Desires is not what you want but what you cannot live without.

l...... if you desire, then you pursue ...shy


Dear Shy,
I love your post, because it basically tells me (as the reader/poster) to cut through the Bullshit/games, and talk about grown up issues, since we are in any order we choose...
I personally would have no problem in revealing/opening self up that way, but experience in commencing chat/talk that way HAS, 100% of the time for me, lead to him following up in a disrespectful manner.

What I mean: once a guy knows that I enjoy sex, and can be playful, he forgets that I am a woman who loves and respects myself, and proceeds to treat me like a cheap whore. He Never says "I would love to meet and talk, get to know you better", or "when may I take you out for coffee/a drink/breakfast/lunch/dinner;" it usually is "when can I come over, or would you like to meet up" ; the loser usually doesn't even trust or respect me enough to invite me over to his place; in case I'm a psycho (it's okay if I am to come to my place, as he is usually okay with fucking a psycho, I'm guessing, lol)? This approach from men, Always turns me off, and ends our conversations. He may be a decent person with a horny side, but I'll never now, once he treats me this way, because he's cut off.

That for me is the reason I say, If he is uninterested in getting to know the woman, he'll NEVER get to know what I like/dislike sexually, hence the need to have other things in common before the desires talk; the other reason is that I am pretty open to most things, so that it's unlikely we'll not connect on that level.




Laura -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 7:48:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EStrict

I guess it depends on what you are looking for. If all you are looking to do is play, then the sooner you learn what they are *into* compared to you, the quicker you can dismiss or make a connection.



I think that's it exactly. I am looking for more than a scene partner or an experience in bed hopping. When someone asks me asl or for a list of my fetishes I stop taking them seriously. They don't care who I am, obviously that isn't high on their priorities. It is for me. I want to know who someone is before I consider them as a fetish toy/ partner/ etc. BDSM is part of my life, it does not consume it.





DreamWeaverAz -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 7:56:52 PM)

having spent many years in the online world I have developed a very strong sentiment on something like this very topic. I have seen many a failed "quick" relationship fall in to ruin because of a rush to make a connection when if they had taken even just an extra day of talking, chatting, what ever they would have realized that more than F/friends was not a good idea.

O/one can not possibly come to know everything about A/another in a single chat or talk. that is why time must be spent observing,listening,talking to grow into something that even remotely has any chance of working. S/some will probably say that there is destiny and T/they know the very instant they find the right O/one for them...and I say...take the extra time and caution to let everything truely fall into place. if its right then the extra time hasnt hurt anything but will have given that much more growth to the C/couple otherwise you saved yourself alot of heartache.

DW




VyperX -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/26/2005 9:17:46 PM)

quote:

Get over it. Those things are my business and best learned *during* the "getting-to-know-you" stage. That's the whole point in "getting-to-know-you!" “

Now I have the spunk to respond:

Getting to know someone means you share your interests, needs, desires, limits when you get to know someone in this lifestyle. Imagine falling madly insanely in love with a vanilla man only to find out that on your wedding day he made you wear a dog collar, branded you and forced you to drink his pee. Damn! He never told me about all this shit you'd say and head right to the attorney's office.

My latest journal entry read:
The proof of desire is pursuit. You will never possess what you are unwilling to pursue. Desires is not what you want but what you cannot live without.


Three points. But first off, excellent post.

1) My take on the getting to know is that if someone has listed interests (or at least an orientation) then that's in the background. You know you're not going to need the attorney you speak of above -- moreover and rather, IF you get to the point that you want a relationship, those shared interests are given at the outset. Ostensibly, however, knowing that they are shared, they will be discussed sooner rather than later.

2) The whole point is to get to know. I don't really know whether my continuously stating that is useful or whether it makes me look like a fool taking the time to emphasize the obvious.

3) The journal entry is dead-on. Profound even.




domtimothy46176 -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/27/2005 5:37:54 AM)

Maybe I'm an odd duck. No, scratch that thought. I am, by definition, an odd duck, else I wouldn't be here typing a response to this at 8am.

I like to start by getting to know what a girl's beliefs are on the basics, like submission, domination, honor, honesty, poly, lifestyle, etc. If I don't know those basics, the rest of the discussion may be skewed by differing definitions. "I'm looking for an eventual position as a 24/7 slave to a firm, yet loving Master." has a lot more ambiguity than it might appear at first glance.

Eventual could mean anywhere from 6 months to five years.
24/7 might mean every waking moment but might also mean a heck of a lot less than that depending on who writes it.
Slave has been used to describe everything under the sun. I will refrain from elaborating.
Firm means something different to almost everyone I've ever seen use the word.
Loving is as flexible as firm.
Master is pretty much as meaningful as slave.

I find that establishing a good dialogue at the beginning on what one's personal views and opinion are is a great way to get to know the underlying person as well as to get a feel for compatibility. How one comports themselves in such a discussion can give a lot of insight into how that person treats others in general. I find i pay a lot of attention to not only what is discussed but also how it is discussed.

One who is open to discussing various viewpoints without belittling opposing ideas is apt to be tolerant in other areas. Respectful disagreement while discussing an idea on its merits is a a sign of a reasonable intellect and a sign of someone who is comfortable in their beliefs. Someone who demands others adopt their philosphies without question or is unreasonably defensive when their beliefs are questioned, attacking the questioner rather than offering support of their position, are probably insecure in either their convictions or their ability to express themselves.

These are merely my opinions and YMMV. I have found them to be indicative of underlying trends and therefore useful to me in determining what types of people I enjoy interacting with in R/T. This may, of course, be colored by my own preference for articulate, intelligent women with well-formed opinions and a predilection for stimulating debate.

As always, I think it best to first be certain in who and what you are and what you seek. From that foundation you can find what methods work best for you in sorting through the multitude of online personalities.

Timothy





bluedogg7000 -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/27/2005 8:05:27 AM)

I feel that the gift of submission is something that should be cherished. How can one do that gift justice if they take it lightly. Accepting such a gift takes care, love, and understanding. Those who take it lightly just don't understand....it's a shame




topcat -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/27/2005 12:26:52 PM)

quote:

I feel that the gift of submission is something that should be cherished. How can one do that gift justice if they take it lightly. Accepting such a gift takes care, love, and understanding. Those who take it lightly just don't understand....it's a shame


BlueDogg-

Well, shame on me. Actually, if it is being 'given', I'd take it lightly- if it is a gift, it bears no obligation , so why should I not?

If someone asks for my dominance, and I comply, I am damn well going to expect to be repayed with her submission, with her trust, her honesty. And frankly, I should be- Dominance is hard work.

Why I should be pleased to have it thrust upon me?

Stay warm,
Lawrence




ProtagonistLily -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/27/2005 1:30:31 PM)

quote:

BlueDogg-

Well, shame on me. Actually, if it is being 'given', I'd take it lightly- if it is a gift, it bears no obligation , so why should I not?

If someone asks for my dominance, and I comply, I am damn well going to expect to be repayed with her submission, with her trust, her honesty. And frankly, I should be- Dominance is hard work.

Why I should be pleased to have it thrust upon me?

Stay warm,
Lawrence


Amen

L




Bigbossman4u -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/27/2005 1:58:00 PM)

quote:

Well, shame on me. Actually, if it is being 'given', I'd take it lightly- if it is a gift, it bears no obligation , so why should I not?

If someone asks for my dominance, and I comply, I am damn well going to expect to be repayed with her submission, with her trust, her honesty. And frankly, I should be- Dominance is hard work.

Why I should be pleased to have it thrust upon me?


Lawrence...

Your insight has (once again) inspired an epiphany within me. Thank you!

SherriA - I think there's hope for me yet! LOL

Best
Joshua




slavedesires -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/28/2005 4:35:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176
I like to start by getting to know what a girl's beliefs are on the basics, like submission, domination, honor, honesty, poly, lifestyle, etc.
I find that establishing a good dialogue at the beginning on what one's personal views and opinion are is a great way to get to know the underlying person as well as to get a feel for compatibility. How one comports themselves in such a discussion can give a lot of insight into how that person treats others in general. I find i pay a lot of attention to not only what is discussed but also how it is discussed.

One who is open to discussing various viewpoints without belittling opposing ideas is apt to be tolerant in other areas. Respectful disagreement while discussing an idea on its merits is a a sign of a reasonable intellect and a sign of someone who is comfortable in their beliefs. Someone who demands others adopt their philosphies without question or is unreasonably defensive when their beliefs are questioned, attacking the questioner rather than offering support of their position, are probably insecure in either their convictions or their ability to express themselves.

I have found them to be indicative of underlying trends and therefore useful to me in determining what types of people I enjoy interacting with in R/T. This may, of course, be colored by my own preference for articulate, intelligent women with well-formed opinions and a predilection for stimulating debate.

As always, I think it best to first be certain in who and what you are and what you seek. From that foundation you can find what methods work best for you in sorting through the multitude of online personalities.

Timothy



I so enjoy reading your posts Sir.
Exactly!
And does this type of dialogue have to take 2 days, 5 weeks, 3 months to be accomplished?
If one knows themselves well enough, have counted the cost and know what they are willing to give up or not give up (i suppose many consider this limits), what they will pursue and not pursue, speak to the point while communicating (articulate) then the journey of a 1000 miles begins with one small step (i call it risk) but if that small step is debated and redebated, then do they really know themselves or their desires, or their wants and needs and well... one must question, the desire to pursue.

I spoke with one Dom from Chicago for months, every evening for several hours. After about 2 1/2 months it got so boring for me, i told him so and asked what was the purpose of the continued banter. Another Dom i chatted with for 7 months and made it clear i was done talking and i felt it was time to met or it would be evident i had only grown from the knowledge and time well spent, but i had to move on.

i didn't want to know about there favorite cologne, the way they tied their shoes, which sort of movie they preferred ...the core of the human being is what must be known, and like Timothy has just said, some simple technigues (well simple if you have understandings of people) can bring that out. Just like subs/slaves "waste time" with unrelated vanilla things, so do Doms and it is deferred to as caution and SSC, etc. I AM NOT NEGATING THE VALUE OF THIS for it is!

It just seems to me that with personal ads on the Net, yes knowing some are not who they really say they are, one would not "play these games" if they met someone at a munch and or at any lifestyle function.
i have an example, for 18 months a particular yahoo board heard of the "relationship" from a subbies perspective in regards to the progress of thier emailing and online and phone chatter. Finally, with much fanfare (believe me it was drama, like a soap opera), these 2 met and spent a week or so together. Nope. No go. Now the subbie rarely posts anymore and the Dom is gone completely (or maybe changed his nic).

no, i think i like my original.... LOLOL "go fo the jugular!" [sm=tongue.gif]

Master Damian's shy

yes, just my opinions at 6 am... and i am a weird duck too (oops i before e except after c...!) remember when you could say "queer duck" and no one looked at you twice?

have a focus filled day everyone!! [:)]




Mouthy -> RE: introductions, desires, limits, personal ads (1/30/2005 12:42:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EStrict

I guess it depends on what you are looking for. If all you are looking to do is play, then the sooner you learn what they are *into* compared to you, the quicker you can dismiss or make a connection.


So true. Thank you! The person who comes right out with the fact that he or she is sick of answering probing questions has found--whatever anybody else's assessment of their tact or the degree to which they get or miss The Whole Point--a very effective way of culling out people they don't want to communicate with.

Or say that sometimes you get people like me, who have kinks that are bound up in a time paradox. By which I mean: I get off on sucking the cocks of men I don't know. To the extent that I have pre-blowjob contact with a man, and I've got to have SOME, that particular itch that I carry around is--by definition--less "scratched." I like it when I can do it first, after the most minimal possible exchange of email, and talk later, if at all. It's not a perfect system: sometimes I wish a man would call me for seconds, or even suggest that we try something different next time, and he doesn't. Sometimes a guy won't STOP saying he wants seconds when the sad truth is that I got all I wanted of him the first time. It happens.

I guess I just subscribe to something I once read on a T-shirt: Eat dessert first, life is uncertain. So, I'll take the probing questions, and the checklists and the inquiries into my fantasies, I just don't much want to take them upfront. I want to suck the guy FIRST because I get ONE CHANCE to satisfy a main kink of mine and, having done it, if it was enjoyable and we want more, THEN we can move on to talking, but we can never be total strangers to one another again.




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