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Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:08:34 AM   
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Last night while in the supermarket, i was behind a young couple in the snack isle.  i watched her put something in the cart.  The guy with her, walked up, looked in the cart, pointed to the item she just put in, and said "put it back".  She immediately reached in and placed the item back on the shelf.  In the next second she picked up another item and asked " can i get this one?" to which he immediately replied, "no".  She placed the item back on the shelf without another word.  As i left that isle and moved to the next, i let my imagination run a bit, and found myself wondering about their relationship to one another, and if they are possibly enjoying a D/s or M/s dynamic, etc. Or, if they simply are nilla with a twist.
 
i looked for an outward symbol of the obvious but found nothing about that couple that would give me a hint, except the girl's behavior.  Some folks don't use outward symbols that many are familiar with.  Some folks are very private and don't like to advertise their dynamic if they have it.  Some folks just naturally interact like that in a relationship and don't even know that a lifestyle exists.  All these different thoughts went through my mind in that one instant.
 
When i arrived at the cash register, they happened to be in the next line over.  i watched her put all the groceries on the counter while he stood by and told her which to put first, i heard him say to put the refrigerated items first, and then proceeded to point to what he wanted up there next.  He didn't help her, and she didn't seem to mind. Now i know that many folks shop like this and usually the woman handles the groceries, etc., but this felt so different, or it could be that i was projecting. *grin  But not one time while i was watching them, did she not comply with his directives or even question them.  As they walked out of the store, he took the lead, and she followed behind him while pushing the cart.  As i left the store, i found myself wondering as usual.  In fact this morning while sitting here, i began wondering about them again! *grin
 
i imagine i will see this couple again while shopping at some point.  
 
i guess what left an impression upon me, was her quiet compliance, and her pleasant expression.
 
What attributes or behaviors have you observed in others, that left an impression and caused you to wonder?



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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:16:32 AM   
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Last night while in the supermarket, i was behind a young couple in the snack isle.  i watched her put something in the cart.  The guy with her, walked up, looked in the cart, pointed to the item she just put in, and said "put it back".  She immediately reached in and placed the item back on the shelf.  In the next second she picked up another item and asked " can i get this one?" to which he immediately replied, "no".  She placed the item back on the shelf without another word.  As i left that isle and moved to the next, i let my imagination run a bit, and found myself wondering about their relationship to one another, and if they are possibly enjoying a D/s or M/s dynamic, etc. Or, if they simply are nilla with a twist.
 
i looked for an outward symbol of the obvious but found nothing about that couple that would give me a hint, except the girl's behavior.  Some folks don't use outward symbols that many are familiar with.  Some folks are very private and don't like to advertise their dynamic if they have it.  Some folks just naturally interact like that in a relationship and don't even know that a lifestyle exists.  All these different thoughts went through my mind in that one instant.
 
When i arrived at the cash register, they happened to be in the next line over.  i watched her put all the groceries on the counter while he stood by and told her which to put first, i heard him say to put the refrigerated items first, and then proceeded to point to what he wanted up there next.  He didn't help her, and she didn't seem to mind. Now i know that many folks shop like this and usually the woman handles the groceries, etc., but this felt so different, or it could be that i was projecting. *grin  But not one time while i was watching them, did she not comply with his directives or even question them.  As they walked out of the store, he took the lead, and she followed behind him while pushing the cart.  As i left the store, i found myself wondering as usual.  In fact this morning while sitting here, i began wondering about them again! *grin
 
i imagine i will see this couple again while shopping at some point.  
 
i guess what left an impression upon me, was her quiet compliance, and her pleasant expression.
 
What attributes or behaviors have you observed in others, that left an impression and caused you to wonder?







I hope it was a D/s relationship, otherwise he's a bully and she's too nice, or just scared. I'd be looking for mareks on her arms or neck. I didn't like the sound of him.

Btw, if you -do- see them again, try and find out-Im really curious now lol.


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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:20:41 AM   
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It's rarely the behaviors, more just a vibe.

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:21:52 AM   
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i am curous too, for she seemed content, her facial expressions and the way she moved, did not indicate she was unhappy.  i guess i find myself observing for it would be nice to have more folks in my area that i could associate with from time to time in the lifestyle.  Most of whom i know in the lifestyle live out of town.
 
Your perspective of him being a bully is something i didn't consider, interesting though.
 
Have you observed such behaviors from others around you and wondered the same?

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:24:00 AM   
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LA, yes, it was the vibe but also the behavior observed.  Ae there speicifc behaviors that you have come to notice that stick out enough to make you curious?

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:43:31 AM   
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I think that guy likes to micromanage grocery shopping.

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:52:24 AM   
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Could be, but aren't there any behaviors that you yourself have observed in others that caused you to take a second glance and wonder? 

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:53:50 AM   
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If the guy were a bully you would have noticed it on her face. By the sound of it I would say that they have a great relationship going.

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 10:56:40 AM   
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i am curous too, for she seemed content, her facial expressions and the way she moved, did not indicate she was unhappy.  i guess i find myself observing for it would be nice to have more folks in my area that i could associate with from time to time in the lifestyle.  Most of whom i know in the lifestyle live out of town.
 
Your perspective of him being a bully is something i didn't consider, interesting though.
 
Have you observed such behaviors from others around you and wondered the same?


As regards your two last points-I too am guilty of projecting as you discribed it in your first post. There's really no reason for there to be anything sinister going on as I imagined, I'm just very interested in how men and women relate to each other because I think that there is a massive amout of sexism in our world which goes on un noticed or just tolerated.

I've seen how women get treated by -some- men and it plays on My mind because I think women are worth as much as men;if any man tried to intimidate, let alone hurt My sister there would be a blood bath. So you see, I was just thinking about that couple's behaviour from My slightly over active/suspicious point of view.

I find Myself looking at couples or women on their own (!) and trying, as discretely as I can to see if they have an "O" ring on their left or right hand lol. Ive yet to see a single one. Of course there are other ways to show if you are Domme/Dom or sub so you can never be too sure I guess.

Having said that, I once got a very interested glance from a woman who passed Me in M and S, but that could just be My imagination, I wear My "O" ring a lot-it was hard to find a place that sold them and I love the thing lol. (Small things please small minds!) so she My well have not seen My ring, just suddenly turned so as not to trip over Me. But I know which version of that I prefer.


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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:07:54 AM   
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i wouldn't think of him being a bully in any case..  direct, to the point, no intimidation, what's to not like about the guy?

Well, except that he didn't push the cart.  tsk,tsk.

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:10:27 AM   
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As regards your two last points-I too am guilty of projecting as you discribed it in your first post. There's really no reason for there to be anything sinister going on as I imagined, I'm just very interested in how men and women relate to each other because I think that there is a massive amout of sexism in our world which goes on un noticed or just tolerated.

This is a good point.  i do believe that many things get overlooked concerning sexist behavior, or maybe not overlooked but just accepted as part of being the norm, for whatever reasons depending upon how one was raised and what experiences they were subjected to.

Having said that, I once got a very interested glance from a woman who passed Me in M and S, but that could just be My imagination, I wear My "O" ring a lot-it was hard to find a place that sold them and I love the thing lol. (Small things please small minds!) so she My well have not seen My ring, just suddenly turned so as not to trip over Me. But I know which version of that I prefer. 

Yeah, lol, i would prefer that she would have noticed the ring too! *grin For it is just another one of those "feelin good" thoughts.


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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:12:51 AM   
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i wouldn't think of him being a bully in any case..  direct, to the point, no intimidation, what's to not like about the guy?

Well, except that he didn't push the cart.  tsk,tsk.


Yeah my ex never wanted to push the cart for he felt that it was my place to do that sort of thing...then again, he had a big ego problem going on anyway *grin

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:15:35 AM   
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Looks like it would be one but my question would be how did she get him to go grocery shopping with her then? :)

Could be D/s. Could be a questionable regular relationship. Could be two people happy in a D/s type relationship but they have no idea that there is a category for how they interact.

I often find myself seeing a behavior and start to wonder and observe more. The one that seems to get me the most curious is when I see somone going out of there way for their significant other without any reaction from either of them. Something like a person leaving something in their car and the other goes out and gets it and there is no complaining or debating who is going to get it.

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:17:18 AM   
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but aren't there any behaviors that you yourself have observed in others that caused you to take a second glance and wonder?


When I am with a couple whom I know is D/s, I will be on the lookout for rituals or signals.  But in the general public I don't give it much thought.


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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:20:52 AM   
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oh, i am incredibly lazy/ spoiled, culturally conditioned, not sure which, but  both Master and HusDom take the cart if i grab it first.. and we W/we get home, i scram and car and go right inside,  i just know SomeOne is hefting the groceries.    i guess to some that would seem to be unserving, but to me, waiting by the dining table as groceries are brought in is kind of like waiting for my materials to be delivered so i can do the next project, putting the damn things away.

i like this thread, it's very close to one i am pondering right now,   power exchanges as a continuem..  maybe there isn't enough to say there really IS a line between what W/we do in D/s or M/s  and what we so blithely refer to as "nilla"...   (excepting S&M portions)

If you really watch people, there isn't any human to human interaction i have seen without some element of power exchange or consentual authority/ aquiescence. W/we just have distinctive wording and labels for it. 

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:22:17 AM   
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Could be two people happy in a D/s type relationship but they have no idea that there is a category for how they interact.

Exactly how i believe about many folks who display certain atitudes and behavioral tendencies toward one antoher in their relationships.
 
i was one of those type folks before i got indoctrinated into this realm. LOL!

I often find myself seeing a behavior and start to wonder and observe more. The one that seems to get me the most curious is when I see somone going out of there way for their significant other without any reaction from either of them. Something like a person leaving something in their car and the other goes out and gets it and there is no complaining or debating who is going to get it.

Now that is just plain lovely to see. 


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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:28:15 AM   
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The one that seems to get me the most curious is when I see somone going out of there way for their significant other without any reaction from either of them. Something like a person leaving something in their car and the other goes out and gets it and there is no complaining or debating who is going to get it.


Ok, i'm lost on that.   Would that be considered an unusual behavior for any couple, nilla or not?  It seems fairly standard to me, most couples know whose role it is to do what between them.  

W/we didn't need to "discover" D/s to know, i finish a beer, He pours.  i drive car, He pumps gas.  i'll go in to pay.  i'll bring back a cookie.  He'll get coffee on in the morning.  i'll pour His cup.  He makes His sandwiches for lunch.  i will remind Him to take the damn things this time.  He locked up before bed.  i bring dessert.  etc.  That's all pretty neutral relationship stuff. 

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:41:50 AM   
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Ok, i'm lost on that.   Would that be considered an unusual behavior for any couple, nilla or not?  It seems fairly standard to me, most couples know whose role it is to do what between them.  

W/we didn't need to "discover" D/s to know, i finish a beer, He pours.  i drive car, He pumps gas.  i'll go in to pay.  i'll bring back a cookie.  He'll get coffee on in the morning.  i'll pour His cup.  He makes His sandwiches for lunch.  i will remind Him to take the damn things this time.  He locked up before bed.  i bring dessert.  etc.  That's all pretty neutral relationship stuff. 


I am not referring to things that you describe. Those are habitual, anticipated, and/or mutually beneficial and natural things people who care about each other can do. I am referring to a spontaneous things where it is an unknown inconveinance and that the people I see do not have the very nomal spontaneous responses to the situation.

Lets say you are with a couple at dinner and get all situated and the one spouse realizes he cannot read the menu because he forgot his glasses. Now it is normal for both him and her to roll their eyes, make a good natured dig or the inevitable "do you want me to go get them for you comment". But when I see the other spouse just get up without any of those reactions and go get them, it would make me wonder.


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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:46:59 AM   
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If you really watch people, there isn't any human to human interaction i have seen without some element of power exchange or consentual authority/ aquiescence. W/we just have distinctive wording and labels for it. 


Good thought Mavis as usual. *smile

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RE: Wondering about folks; nilla or not? - 10/20/2006 11:54:49 AM   
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Lets say you are with a couple at dinner and get all situated and the one spouse realizes he cannot read the menu because he forgot his glasses. Now it is normal for both him and her to roll their eyes, make a good natured dig or the inevitable "do you want me to go get them for you comment". But when I see the other spouse just get up without any of those reactions and go get them, it would make me wonder.




i believe know what you mean with this thought.  It makes me wonder if it is just the nature of that person to automatically "move" and "do" without making a fuss, or without making an ego annoucement for eveyone else to acknowledge their "good deed", etc. Or, if they are a good trained sub or slave doing either what comes naturally, or obeying unspoken cues, etc.  Actions and behaviors outside of what would be thought of as generalities between caring couples is where my eye seems to roam.  Even before i was introduced into this realm, my eye always roamed in that general direction, just part of my curious nature i guess. *smile
 
i used to watch my mom and dad, and my aunts and uncles, and i would pick out certain behaviors and interactoins that matched my own.  i also used to pick out certain behaviors that turned me on, and they were always those actions that had a strong element or appearance of D/s if not more.

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