Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Why The Judgement?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Why The Judgement? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Why The Judgement? - 10/21/2006 10:29:27 AM   
Siona


Posts: 242
Joined: 10/5/2006
Status: offline
Fantastic response!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Squeakers

I found this post most interesting.   I used to be a big defender of how I conducted my D/s lifestyle.   Early on, I was right in my convictions and defended everything I believed in my heart was the 'right' way to do things.   As time has passed for me, somethings that I once believed to be the 'right' way have changed for me and other things I hold onto.   For me the journey has been forever changing and what was my downfall was not opening my mind and allowing  myself to ponder different ideas. But I no longer defend my personal beliefs because I see D/s sort of like religion or politics.   My beliefs regarding religion and politics are my own and no matter who I talk to someone is going to judge me and say that the way I think is totally off base with their beliefs.  
In the 'vanilla' world, there are very few of my 'vanilla' friends that I discuss my D/s lifestyle with.   The way I see it is this, I more than likely would not discuss with my 'vanilla' friends nor my D/s friends if I preferred sex doggy style or missionary or enjoyed oral sex more than anal or whatever.   For me, somethings are meant to be a bit private and are meant to be shared with only select people   That's not to say that I can not get into a good debate with someone about D/s in general.   But if it gets to a point where it is 'heated', and emotions are beginning to enter that debate, I immediately back off.   The debates, I am speaking about are ones where both people can be adult about it, looking at the other persons ideas and ponder them intelligently and give their own observations.   Debates such as that are a good way to open myself to other ideas.  
   Whether it be in a D/s lifestyle or 'vanilla' lifestyle there is going to be judgement.   Someone may not think it is right that their neighbors have decided to have 8 children.   Another couple maybe judged because they are an interracial couple or that they are gay.   A co-worker may think someone else in the office is a 'bad' parent because he or she doesn't sit down and supervise their teenagers homework nightly.   I doubt that tv reality shows such as "Trading Spouses" or "Wife swap" would be successful without judgement.  
   If you are content in your life and are comfortable in the way you live it, I would just take those comments and pity the person that exposed their narrow minds and verbalized them.   I know a woman who makes some nasty remarks about my interracial relationship in a "joking manner."   Deep down I know she is being one hundred percent serious in her comments, however I also know that her personal life sucks and she has some pretty serious issues going on.   She's miserable and since misery loves company, she wants to toss a bit of negativity into my life.   Maybe it makes her feel better and I don't get all bent about it, she has so little in her life, if those nasty digs and comments to me make her feel better, I can allow her that pleasure.       
I guess what I am trying to say, negativity breeds negativity.   Those comments about D/s can hurt but only if we let them.   If others don't understand it, don't want to understand it, and want to hurl stones then they are just turning a blind eye to a lifestyle that I consider remarkably rewarding let them.   I wouldn't want to encounter them at a play party anyways.   

(in reply to Squeakers)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Why The Judgement? - 10/21/2006 11:03:34 AM   
EvilGeoff


Posts: 523
Joined: 8/24/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: allspicey
In an area of life that is supposed to encompass a great many people's odd quirks and desires for something different, there seems to be an ongoing and constant need for some people to look down their nose and be derogatory about the way some people choose to express themselves or their life.

Over the course of my life, I've found that I need to pick and choose my battles wisely.  Expending energy and effort trying to educate someone or change the mind/opinion/judgement of another person is usually pretty darn far down the list of things important enough for me to spend the effort.

I am not always like the weather (thank you Iskander for that bit of wisdom), I can't always ignore critics.  But for the most part I don't give them enough power or control over me to get worked up.  If they need education I try to do so directly, without criticism or blame, state my case and go on about my business.  What they do with the information is on them.

In otherwords allspicey, if you allow the writings of naye-sayers get you all worked up, you are giving them power over you.  Do you really want to do that?  Phhhht! I didn't think so...   They aren't worth a second glance unless they are impinging in your personal space.  Then educate them.  If that doesn't work, toss 'em in the ignore bin and go about your business.

YIK,
- Geoff

(in reply to allspicey)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Why The Judgement? - 10/21/2006 11:22:59 AM   
allspicey


Posts: 44
Joined: 4/30/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

Over the course of my life, I've found that I need to pick and choose my battles wisely.  Expending energy and effort trying to educate someone or change the mind/opinion/judgement of another person is usually pretty darn far down the list of things important enough for me to spend the effort.

I am not always like the weather (thank you Iskander for that bit of wisdom), I can't always ignore critics.  But for the most part I don't give them enough power or control over me to get worked up.  If they need education I try to do so directly, without criticism or blame, state my case and go on about my business.  What they do with the information is on them.

In otherwords allspicey, if you allow the writings of naye-sayers get you all worked up, you are giving them power over you.  Do you really want to do that?  Phhhht! I didn't think so...   They aren't worth a second glance unless they are impinging in your personal space.  Then educate them.  If that doesn't work, toss 'em in the ignore bin and go about your business.

YIK,
- Geoff


Just a short note to clear up a misunderstanding I'm seeing here.  I am not emotionally upset by the topic I introduced to the forum.  It is, at most, a minor irritation.  I don't spend a lot of time online as real life keeps me quite busy and we have an extensive real time BDSM 'family' for support. 

I would like to say though that helping people to consider their own actions and thoughts and how that affects those around them, educating people where ignorance makes them blind and prejudiced, creating opportunities, on lists or in real time discussion groups and workshops to get cross dialog flowing and ideas and thoughts shared that might otherwise not be, is something I've been doing all my life and quite enjoy.  The post was simply another offering in that area.  Bringing up things helps people to think.  Helping people to think differently about something often happens with a single sentence.  If no one finds value in the post, that's fine.  If it helps even one person stop and think a little, then it's had a purpose and value.

Now I'm going to wander back to bed where I have more value and purpose than I do writing this post, I'm sure! lol

Best to you all,
allspice

(in reply to EvilGeoff)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Why The Judgement? - 10/21/2006 11:57:51 AM   
Noah


Posts: 1660
Joined: 7/5/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: allspicey

I don't want someone into that stupid shit like calling me Sir or Master.


Okay. That sounds judgemental. But I'm grateful rather than offended when someone identifies him or herself as such an oaf right off the bat.

quote:

Who are those people who call themselves lifestylers anyway?  No one who was mentally and emotionally healthy would need this all the time.


Yeah. The my kink is okay your kink is pathological routine. Again I give my thanks to this person, in this case for proudly displaying his or her teeny weeny little mind (I never said that I was against being judgemental.)

quote:

Slaves are fucking doormats and need to get a life.


Well really, shouldn't they be having sex with their masters rather than with unsanitary household accessories? I mean unless that's your kink, you know, okay, but ...

quote:

People who want 24/7 BDSM need to get real. You can't live that way and shouldn't want to.


"Real." There's that super duper word again. I'd begin ignoring this person's opinion even before I got to the pontificating sentence.

quote:

You can't really serve coffee on a silver tray, not in the real world.


I'm pretty sure it would actually spill if you didn't have it in some kind of cup or carafe or something. Certainly it would cool rather rapidly as you inched along trying to keep the damn coffee-filed tray dead level while the cats circled around your manacled ankles. And some of us do like it hot.

quote:

Gorean stuff is really stupid.  No one lives that way in the real world.


Not the world on THIS side of the sun, you mean.

quote:

If it can't ebb and flow and take life itself into account, there's something a little amiss. It seems so bloody unnecessarily dramatic at times.


Now kidding aside, does the expression of an apparently thoughtful and modest opinion like this one really strike you as judgemental? Most people allow a place for discernment and the sharing of ideas, including constructive criticism, even if they eschew what they call "judgement."

In fact, this particular snippet reads to me as a sort of synopsis of your original post as a whole (if you'll pardon the expression.)

You report that you indeed let your use of the term "Master" ebb and flow according to certain of life's exigencies. Is it so terrible of the person you quoted to suggest the value of this to others? And aren't you here criticizing the uneccessary drama of gratuitous public judgementicalitiousnessosity, if not neologism?

By attacking such a modest offering you seem to be coming out not just against being judgemental in the bad sense but against politely sharing opinions--with an exception for yourself, of course.


quote:

If it isn't fun, you shouldn't be doing it.


I have a hunch this one was not delivered at the point of a sword. Yes it sounds simplistic but sometimes what's needed is some simplification. And you haven't given us an ounce of context. On its face this reads to me more as an exhortation in a positive spirit than as a judgement in some awful sense of the word. Have you never ever seen someone so wound up and caught up in something that they might have benefitted from a gentle exhortation like this?

I mean, chill, spicey. Not all that glitters is gold and not all that recommends or comments critically is perniciously judgemental.

In fact for you to give the same degree of negative appraisal to everything in this wide array of critical comments is--in my judgement--a little judgemental.

What do you say?




(in reply to allspicey)
Profile   Post #: 24
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Why The Judgement? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.063