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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 1:25:15 PM   
Aileen68


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The thread has gotten very interesting, because we're talking about a problem that people face all the time: whether they or their partners can, should, or do change.

People can and do change, sometimes quite profoundly, but it's only when the change comes from within.  Sometimes you decide you don't like something about yourself and make a conscious decision to change it.  Sometimes you witness or experience something that shatters your preconceptions and your perception of the world changes as a result.  But you can't change SOMEONE ELSE.  People often walk into bad relationships thinking that they can change the things about the other person that they don't like.  It just doesn't happen, and you're liable to ruin an otherwise joyful relationship if you try.  Accept the other person for who he or she is, or else move on to someone else.


Thank you.  You actually said what I've been attempting to say....just have been unable to get the words out of my brain.

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 1:35:16 PM   
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As a Dominant and this can be Male or Female, if someone were to post something that you felt was totally inappropriate or one that was completely opposite of what he or she stated in a profile (such as I feel there should be tolerance in D/s yet the post completely slams someone else), would you take that post into consideration prior to making contact.  
    Submissives what are your thoughts, do you edit your posts to be a reflection of a current Dom or future Dom or doesn't it matter.
    


I have taken issue or questioned what was put in her profile and if I found her writing something I might need to ask about, I would definately say something to her.
On the other hand,  maybe it is just me, but if there is any question in my mind that a post would in some way reflect negative on Him, I dont do it.
 
It's a matter of respect for me. 
There was one time, and one Mod caught me, when I was just so pissy, I was totally wrong !!  If the post had been left, I would have sincerely apologized and removed it myself.  It was a reflection on my character, and not a good one.

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 2:00:57 PM   
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i've just started on this site, but have posted on others in the past.  While my posts are my own, they do reflect on my Master, and i am careful about what i write because of this.  i am sure my responses directly reflect His training of me, his philosophies and beliefs, even when i'm not intentionally thinking about that.  Our relationship is such that while i do have my own thoughts and opinions, i have also submitted to Him and consequently tend to be in alignment with His beliefies.  But a huge horror for me would be to write a post that refleted poorly on Him...this would include any posts that were rude or judgemental toward others, or that were rude and disrespectful toward Masters in general.  Not a rule He's set up necessarily, but just my own consciousness of the fact that i am a reflection of Him.   

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 2:09:23 PM   
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I do think that a submissive's thoughts and actions - both as written and expressed are a definitive reflection on their owner(s).
 
I do not see how they can be anything else  - they are not (in my estimation and experience - independent entities - they are cleaved to their owner(s) in ways that are immutable and there is not way that it can be other if there is any modicum of actual ownership at all.
 
Just a few thoughts.
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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 2:20:59 PM   
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I do tend to see things in black and white at times.  I think certain aspects of ones personality shouldn't be changed to suit someone.  I tend to be a bit sarcastic and find myself gravitating to others that appreciate and enjoy that.  To be with one that didn't would be a daily struggle for me.  For him to expect me to change something that is such a strong part of me would just never work.  We would never work. 


That is exactly why what KoM stated is so true... we reflect each other. You would only choose someone who honored your sassy sarcastic self, and that is a good thing, because I think you are right, some things we should not change.




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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 3:25:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Squeakers
  
   As a Dominant and this can be Male or Female, if someone were to post something that you felt was totally inappropriate or one that was completely opposite of what he or she stated in a profile (such as I feel there should be tolerance in D/s yet the post completely slams someone else), would you take that post into consideration prior to making contact. 
    


If I found they were contradictory of themeselves I would more likely not waste My time with that persons post, depending on the post.. As for making a 'slam' on someone, thats pretty much flaming, which isnt allowed here but does happen to a degree. However Ive seen some on here openly invite themselves to be slammed in a sense, so again it would depend on the post whether or not I opted to reply....

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 4:07:46 PM   
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I may be on the same page as Aileen, LaM, and KoM, or maybe have a bit different spin on similar themes. But I think that folks will pair up with others who hold similar views so they naturally reflect upon each other without even trying and they'll likely agree with just about anything the other says. So it gets amusing when the crazy couples start spouting off because they think their ravings are perfectly fine and perhaps even the one twue way.

< Message edited by happypervert -- 10/22/2006 4:15:35 PM >


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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 5:15:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Squeakers

    Reading through threads this morning, something I find enjoyment in; like reading a new book, I began to wonder about something.   I've always consider a submissive a reflection of her Dom.   So occasionally when reading through threads, a posting will stand out and normally, I will glance at the profile.
   At times I will read a post and look at a profile and think, what a great reflection she is, her Dom must be proud or she is going to make a good reflection on a future Dom.   Sometimes, I will read what I consider an outlandish post;  and I really don't want to point fingers but one perhaps that contradicts her profile or one that makes me think, "she REALLY didn't post that?".   I realize that everyone has a bad day and no one is going to be in the right frame of mind all the time so at times one of those post will just happen to pop out, but what I am wondering is this:   
   As a Dominant and this can be Male or Female, if someone were to post something that you felt was totally inappropriate or one that was completely opposite of what he or she stated in a profile (such as I feel there should be tolerance in D/s yet the post completely slams someone else), would you take that post into consideration prior to making contact.  
    Submissives what are your thoughts, do you edit your posts to be a reflection of a current Dom or future Dom or doesn't it matter.
    


While subs are a reflection of their Doms because how they behave kinda shows how good of a Dom the Dom is, what you are saying about makeing contact with people who post here based on what is posted goes both ways. There are Doms here that I will never talk to because I think that things they say are terrable so yeah even Doms have to watch what they say their potential sub may be reading as well.

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 5:42:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: happypervert

But I think that folks will pair up with others who hold similar views so they naturally reflect upon each other without even trying and they'll likely agree with just about anything the other says.


This is rather good point... as much as we do reflect each other... it' not something that we neccessary have to make a big effort in doing.... mostly I think it is a natural result of who we are and who we choose to be with.  The more compatiable we are with our partners the more natural and ease that things flow.

I also think this relates to what aileen was stating and that LaM stated so well.


Over all.. I really enjoyed this thread... some great points coming out with regards to this romantic thought of "Reflection of your One".  I am hoping people are seeing that it is much greater than that simple and even narrow thought.

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 5:44:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The thread has gotten very interesting, because we're talking about a problem that people face all the time: whether they or their partners can, should, or do change.

People can and do change, sometimes quite profoundly, but it's only when the change comes from within.  Sometimes you decide you don't like something about yourself and make a conscious decision to change it.  Sometimes you witness or experience something that shatters your preconceptions and your perception of the world changes as a result.  But you can't change SOMEONE ELSE.  People often walk into bad relationships thinking that they can change the things about the other person that they don't like.  It just doesn't happen, and you're liable to ruin an otherwise joyful relationship if you try.  Accept the other person for who he or she is, or else move on to someone else.


Thank you.  You actually said what I've been attempting to say....just have been unable to get the words out of my brain.


yes indeed.. well stated... I agree with his thoughts and can only say ditto

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 6:58:25 PM   
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Yes, that often happens, though I've known couples that really are very different, and yet they seem to get along just fine.

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ORIGINAL: happypervert

But I think that folks will pair up with others who hold similar views so they naturally reflect upon each other without even trying and they'll likely agree with just about anything the other says.

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/22/2006 7:00:08 PM   
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No i dont like the whole reflection thing.  I reflect upon no one but myself.  No one controls my actions, my thoughts, my words, or me. 

When i am with my Master - i'm sure i do reflect upon him.  I act as he see's fit, to his wishes, i obey his rules and generally speaking i'm a good little girl. 

When he's not there - i act the way i want to act.  Not the way he would want me to.  Heck its MY life.  My world, my rules.  I personally think its retarded to let some one not apart of your life dictate a life they arent in.  We kind of hit a wall with this one.  IE my bedtime is 1030 at night and at 1030 i have school work to do, laundry to do and i've been busy all day.  Its bedtime and i cant get ahold of him.  Do i let him "rule" my life and go to bed?  Hell no, i stay up and do what i have to do. 

I handle myself when he isnt around - therefore i reflect upon myself.  For me, it is possibly the most retarded thing to act according to his wishes when he isnt around.  Yet when he is around, he controls things and i handle myself according to his wishes. 

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/23/2006 5:53:23 AM   
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Over all.. I really enjoyed this thread... some great points coming out with regards to this romantic thought of "Reflection of your One".  I am hoping people are seeing that it is much greater than that simple and even narrow thought. 

     I agree with you to a point.   I enjoyed the thread and the different points coming out however if you simply see it as a narrow romantic thought you might be missing something.

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I handle myself when he isnt around - therefore i reflect upon myself.  For me, it is possibly the most retarded thing to act according to his wishes when he isnt around.  Yet when he is around, he controls things and i handle myself according to his wishes. 
 
       I agree with this as well to a point.   You are always in control of your actions and this is whether he is around or not.   If he tells you to kneel, you either do it or you don't, it's the mind set that dictates if you are going to do it or not.   Your statement, imo, seems to indicate that you are only submissive when he is around--which is fine.   However, if I had that mind set, I would think, "thank goodness he is gone now I can be myself."   I am not thinking along the lines of the physical end of D/s, I am thinking of the mindset.   For example, if he requires you to kneel at a function that you attend together, are you therefore going to kneel if you go stage?   Probably not, why bother.   But if he expects you to act like a lady at the same function are you going to dance naked on the bar and curse like a sailor when you know he would not expect you to act that way.

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/24/2006 7:01:12 PM   
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Perhaps i have no place in giving my opinion here, as i do not have a Master. Something crossed my mind and i was just curious if it did others. Although as a submissive, i do have my own thoughts, ideas and desires; i am obligated to present those in a way that would bring only honor and pride to my Master. i am a reflection of Him in the way of my approach. Things can be presented in many different lights and from many different view points. i would like to think, that even when my opinion differs with another, i will honor my Master by accepting that all people are different and that this lifestyle is just one avenue for us all to be who we are.

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RE: Reflection of your One - 10/24/2006 8:47:40 PM   
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My views and his are not always the same. I'm not a Stepford wife. However if my posts came across as bigoted, that would reflect badly on me and also on him for picking a bigot.

But unless I'm quoting him, I'm answering from my viewpoint.

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