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whiteheart -> ... what a wonderful thread... (2/7/2005 2:16:33 AM)

I'm a 43 year old submissive and to be honest, I'd never considered age to be a problem... or ever would be a problem, until i read this thread.
It's opened my eyes a bit more... and for that I thank you.

I don't know to be honest, whether to say that I consider alot of it to do with attitude... - there will always be physical things you may not be able to do, but cripes alot can do things that a younger can't do.... or whether to admit now that after reading this thread, I feel a little self concious and wonder if I'd be good enough for one that I like.

Hmmm.

Best wishes in all you do... best wishes in all everyone does.





MasterStrap -> RE: aging slaves (3/22/2005 6:26:44 PM)

I would like to comment on this subject from the context of an aging Master. I am 50+ and have been active in the lifestyle for over 15 years. In my opinion there is little difference in a true slave at 25 or 50. A slaves life is to be a companion, partner, friend or significant other and to service her Masters wishes. At what age is this not possible, I would think even at 6o or 70 if her Master is happy then she is doing what is required of any slave.
For my part I wouldn't consider a sub to become my slave until the age of 40, not that there are not wonderful younger slaves out there. I very much appreciate the maturity and experience of a more mature slave. To all the more mature slaves out there be assured that there are many more Mature Masters that desire what you have to offer.



onceburned -> RE: ... what a wonderful thread... (3/22/2005 6:54:15 PM)

quote:

there will always be physical things you may not be able to do, but cripes alot can do things that a younger can't do.


Oh absolutely! At 45 I know my head is in a better space to serve than when I was 35. Of course, every individual is different, but I think maturity mellows most people - it makes them less flightly and more reliable. On the other hand. I am sure that there are 25 year olds who are excellent subs or slaves - it does depend on the individual.

That said, my parents mentioned to me last year not to put off doing the things you enjoy in life. They are feeling the aches and pain of aging and mentioned that they have crossed things off their wish list because it just isn't possible for them any more.

But hey.... that still gives us 20 years of fun to enjoy! [:D]



Alexander -> RE: ... what a wonderful thread... (3/23/2005 4:07:48 PM)

Maybe it's because I'm only in my late 30's and come from a community of rich folks in oh so So Cal but I have another take on this issue to add.

As I near 40 I am changing my life to emphasize dramatically on 'aging gracefully' I have lots of role models for this and believe that there is a path to take which not only preserves ones looks but ones spirit as well. In this journey I require a slave with the ability to accept this path and to become intimate with health issues, age issues, the very science of aging. In other words while I shape my own future, I plan on sculpting the physical being of my girl at the same time. I am not sure where this fits in the whole realm of fetish but I guess it's just another "health and fitness" kink. I'd slide it under the body modification category if I had my druthers.

The strumpet who joins me in this gets her own personal trainer, a library of medical journals, a home gym, and a willow switch.
I'll be sure to produce a video when the programs all worked out, so to speak.

Alex.



danae -> RE: aging slaves (3/23/2005 5:12:29 PM)

I've got to say the first time I read this thread, I got very depressed, especially reading this from domtimothy, "I would hope that when my girl is too decrepit to serve physically, she would take pride in helping a new girl learn the mysteries of how to serve me properly and remain in my service providing intellectual companionship." The thought of being put out to pasture to provide "intellectual companionship" almost made me ill.

When I told my Master, he laughed (he finds me endlessly amusing lol) and reassured me that he would always have some service for me to do. But it was only today, when reading the new responses to this thread, that I remembered a posting on another list a number of years ago. The 50something Dom was talking about his wife/sub, who was some 15 years older, and how one of her duties was to suck his cock any time she was on the toilet.

So I cheered up! My Master is at least that creative!

danae
[:)]



Overlord218 -> RE: aging slaves (3/23/2005 6:22:47 PM)

Age is a state of mind, as they say. My first sub was 9 years older than Me, which didn't (and never will) bother Me in the least. I'm MUCH more interested in whats between a submissive's ears than between her legs anyway. If the mindset is there, everything else follows naturally.



subcheryl -> RE: aging slaves (3/23/2005 6:23:00 PM)

I'm 48 and have the mind set of a younger woman. But in reality there are things I just can't do all the time. I have a knee injury that will not allow me to kneel at times on it, and this is when I have to let Master know I just can't do it, I hate having to say so to him but the knee is bad enough that in a few years am looking at a total replacement, I also admittedly have a weight problem, which both master and I are working on, so this tends to put on hold for now hopes of suspension, but we are working on it, Master sees my willingness to please and loves that aspect of me, we have only been together for 2 months now, and when we started getting to know each other over collarme, I was honest with him on both physical limits and we discused them and made compromises to make it work for both of us, instead of kneeling I am asked to curtsy for him, which I do in somewhat of a modified way to allow for the knee, yes I have worried about the day I too get old, like 70ish, and not be able to do the things we do now, but Master and I also went into this because we both were looking for the companionship, we were tired of being alone and thought no one wanted us because of our age, sorry if I rambled but I guess it boils down to accepting what you can do and working together to accomidate the things that become difficult to do and appreciating what each have to give to the relationship.



OrientalMistress -> RE: aging slaves (3/24/2005 7:22:18 AM)

My dear... I resent that remark that when you get to be "70" and not able ...."

I was born in 1934 and that makes Me ... 70 ... I have been married to the same man for 49 of those years...a man who introduced Me to the real world of D/s...and all of its' intricacies...today we are both practicing active Dom/mes -- sharing all we have learned with those select few who wish to learn... and accepting the honour of our little slaves and subs at our feet worshipping in earnest...
As to the young ones in training with us, the youngest being 19 ... we have a practice of selecting for them a dominant male from among our freinds and contemporaries. In several instances, this relationship blooms into something special as both are trained...one as Dom/me; the other as sub/slave.
As for Myself, I attend a "bridge" club weekly with three other Domme ladies {well four now...since we have admitted Becky Ann}. Each week it is in the home of one of us who is in charge of "entertainment" -- and that has been most creative...from a "lovely little maid" who turned out to be male but not gay ... just a cd ... to the time when we enjoyed initiating Becky with a spread eagle session she will not soon forget.
Anyway... do not think 70 is old ... that things somehow stop ... Anthony Quinn was still having babies at 80... :)

Miss Deborah



durhampainslave -> RE: aging slaves (3/24/2005 1:17:33 PM)

Being 50 I am 25 years older than my Domme. There haven't been any problems to date. We're very much in love with each other and I suspect that is what matters.

She is very forceful in reminding me to eat well and exercise. Something I appreciate.



preemptive -> RE: aging slaves (3/24/2005 5:08:50 PM)

of course, whoever out there said "aging happens" is correct. but has anyone seen the thousands of YOUNG YOUNG subs out there, many of them looking for "daddy"? there is no way to compete with those little girls.



domtimothy46176 -> RE: aging slaves (3/24/2005 7:03:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: danae

I've got to say the first time I read this thread, I got very depressed, especially reading this from domtimothy, "I would hope that when my girl is too decrepit to serve physically, she would take pride in helping a new girl learn the mysteries of how to serve me properly and remain in my service providing intellectual companionship." The thought of being put out to pasture to provide "intellectual companionship" almost made me ill.

When I told my Master, he laughed (he finds me endlessly amusing lol) and reassured me that he would always have some service for me to do. But it was only today, when reading the new responses to this thread, that I remembered a posting on another list a number of years ago. The 50something Dom was talking about his wife/sub, who was some 15 years older, and how one of her duties was to suck his cock any time she was on the toilet.

So I cheered up! My Master is at least that creative!

danae
[:)]


I would presume, based on your obvious distaste for serving as an intellectual companion, that your role is much different than that of my girl. Her greatest service to me has been and will most likely always be the intellectual stimulation she provides me. I can have my pick of playmates and house servants but I have yet to find another with whom to have such diverting conversation. Luckily, she has some appreciation for the joy I take from her companionship and has no qualms about serving me thusly, even when her health prevents her from performing more physical service.
Be well,
Timothy



domtimothy46176 -> RE: aging slaves (3/24/2005 7:11:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: preemptive

of course, whoever out there said "aging happens" is correct. but has anyone seen the thousands of YOUNG YOUNG subs out there, many of them looking for "daddy"? there is no way to compete with those little girls.


I don't agree with this thought, at least not across the board. I do understand the attraction of "eye candy" and firm young flesh but I personally believe that compatablilty trumps all and that takes the correct mesh of attitudes. My girl is 35 and has health issues, yet I wouldn't trade her for a harem of young nubile girls. There are simply more considerations than the physical.
Timothy



Atavist -> RE: aging slaves (3/24/2005 9:12:33 PM)

In answer to your question - No slaves do not lose their value as they age. But I'm old school, I wouldn't have a slave unless I loved her.

From what I hear from female friends, many women are incredibly concerned about aging, losing their "looks", etc.. So what do you do? Take care of yourself as best you can and find a man, a Dom, a Master that loves you, not your perky tits.

I have to say, a few of the posts by "Masters" on this subject regarding the "usefullnes" of aging slaves strikes me as unadulterated bullshit, to put it less than delicately.



stormsfate -> RE: aging slaves (3/25/2005 5:33:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OrientalMistress

I was born in 1934 and that makes Me ... 70 ... I have been married to the same man for 49 of those years...a man who introduced Me to the real world of D/s...and all of its' intricacies...


Hooray, Miss Deborah!!!! That being said, Dominants/Dominas only get better with age as the mind seems to become even more darkly creative <weg>. I'm definately of the "older is better" school, almost to the point of reverse discrimination.

best regards,
f



RexLongBeach -> RE: aging slaves (3/25/2005 2:08:07 PM)

There have been a lot of very supportive posts, and I agree with the most important part of what's been said: getting older (and less physically able to serve) doesn't make a slave or submissive any less desireble.

There is a lot that has to do with "mind set." If you take care of yourself, feel passion in your heart, have an honest desire to serve and still view yourself as a sexual being, then what's not to like?

Having said all that, I'll add this: lots of women go into grandma mode when they hit a certain age. Out goes the sexy, in comes the "sensible." Excuses replace execution. Safety replaces fun.

I don't mind you baking cookies for the grand kids. You just have to wear your thong while doing it. :)

Rex



submissivesilk -> RE: aging slaves (3/26/2005 1:25:14 AM)

What an interesting thread to read as I fast approach my 40th birthday. I have to say this issue has been on my mind a time or two. I am new to the "life," and sometimes dispair because of all the years I missed by simply not knowing.

I see alot of older Doms requesting younger girls. A wise friend told me, "yeah, they just want a 20 year old super model and a 24 hour b/j." I dont consider these men Dom's myself.

My Master is a bit older than me, and for the record, he wears me out at times. I hope I am doing as well as he is when I get that old.

be well all



domtimothy46176 -> RE: aging slaves (3/27/2005 11:26:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RexLongBeach

There have been a lot of very supportive posts, and I agree with the most important part of what's been said: getting older (and less physically able to serve) doesn't make a slave or submissive any less desireble.

There is a lot that has to do with "mind set." If you take care of yourself, feel passion in your heart, have an honest desire to serve and still view yourself as a sexual being, then what's not to like?

Having said all that, I'll add this: lots of women go into grandma mode when they hit a certain age. Out goes the sexy, in comes the "sensible." Excuses replace execution. Safety replaces fun.

I don't mind you baking cookies for the grand kids. You just have to wear your thong while doing it. :)

Rex


I'm with you, Rex. I think it all comes down to remaining true to who and what you are. If a girl is a joy to own at 35, why shouldn't she be an even greater joy at 45 or 55, when she has even more experience? I hope like hell to become better with age and I encourage my girl to do the same. If and when the day comes when she's trapped in bed by a body that refuses to function, not only will she have the memories of what she's learned and the knowledge that she did what she could to attain perfection, but we'll share those things together. I would much rather be partnered with someone who has a healthy positive outlook than one who's afraid of the ravages of time.
We're expecting a baby in July and have two currently in HS. Rather than planning our retirement, we're looking forward to raising our child and spoiling grandkids when they eventually arrive, all without sacrificing the bond we share. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff and it's all basically small stuff. Arthritus may slow us down but it can't stop us from being what we need to be, even if we do need to make some changes in how we express ourselves over the course of time.
I intend to live until I'm dead and that means approaching every day with gusto. I can't imagine denying my girl that same opportunity, in whatever way she can pursue it. Life is simply to much fun to give up willingly. I hope I never grow so old, that I turn "sensible". I much prefer joi de vivre. [:)]
Timothy



proudsub -> RE: aging slaves (3/27/2005 11:34:54 AM)

quote:

I intend to live until I'm dead and that means approaching every day with gusto. I can't imagine denying my girl that same opportunity, in whatever way she can pursue it. Life is simply to much fun to give up willingly. I hope I never grow so old, that I turn "sensible". I much prefer joi de vivre.
Timothy


I'm with you Timothy.[:D]



ProtagonistLily -> RE: aging slaves (3/27/2005 5:41:47 PM)

quote:

I have to say, a few of the posts by "Masters" on this subject regarding the "usefullnes" of aging slaves strikes me as unadulterated bullshit, to put it less than delicately.


Amen, Sir...Amen.

Lily (who hasn't looked her age since she was 22)



FragileRose -> RE: ... what a wonderful thread... (3/29/2005 6:13:22 PM)

Well, I am a submissive not a slave. I just turned 50 this year - and discovered my submissive tendencies at the same time. I have thought about this age issue. Recently, I asked a prospective Dom if he cared whether or not I could kneel. No, he said. Sitting at his feet on occasion was good enough, then in a regular chair the rest of the time. He cared more about my not wearing panties around the house than whether I could kneel. His bottom line is that creativity and spirit matter far more than age. He is 43 - 7 years younger than I am. I think it is a matter of finding someone that wants the qualities that you have to offer - and being honest about your limitations. Some men - and this includes some Doms - get bored by eye candy quickly. These men often want a woman with intelligence, experience, and the abliity to be comfortable with herself and the man she serves/marries/dates or whatever.



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