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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/3/2006 2:04:19 PM

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The Browns looked good, and part of that game was with the backup qb

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/3/2006 4:47:06 PM

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Cowboys 23, Giants 20.

Martin Grammatica, you shall live another week.

Steelers over Tampa Bay, 20-3

Houston defeats Oakland, 23-14.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/3/2006 5:44:37 PM

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I didn't think I'd say this, but the Giants would be better off with a different head coach. Coughlin isn't working out.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/3/2006 5:51:27 PM

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He's a hardass, so that doesn't always go over real well in the pros-- I wonder how he'd do at U of Miami?

John Madden would do wonders with the Giants, or anyone else, but that ain't happening.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/4/2006 4:26:45 PM

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The AFC is 35-21 against the NFC this year. That's a winning percentage of .625. Basically, that means you should be able to multiply an AFC team's winning percentage by 1.67 to get its expected winning percentage in the NFC. That means those 4-8 Browns would have 6.7 wins if they were in the NFC. Amazing--but I've seen them play, and I definitely believe they'd be 6-6 or better in the NFC.

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I don't know how good the Browns are, Lam, but I agree with you on the state of the NFC.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/4/2006 4:31:21 PM

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Why does the nfc weakness continue to be an issue? The NFL is supposed to be about parity. The draft and salary cap is in place to help this, correct? Why is the nfc weaker? Are they trading more high draft picks for players/coaches than afc teams tend to do? Any ideas?

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/4/2006 4:40:27 PM

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I really don't understand it, to tell you the truth, but I think there happens to be more coaching and scouting talent in the AFC right now. Case in point: the San Diego Chargers beat the pants off the New York Giants in the Eli Manning trade. And the coaches who field winning teams year after year (like Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, Mike Shanahan) all seem to be in the AFC.

With the salary cap, draft, and free-agency rules, I can't think of any systemic reason why the AFC should be stronger, whereas, in baseball, there are a few reasons why the AL always seems to come out on top--the New York Yankees being one of them. (I'm also convinced that the no-DH rule ends up working against NL pitchers, strange as that might sound.)

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/4/2006 5:27:52 PM

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I think these things just go in cycles with the AFC being better right now, and I recall back in the early '90s wondering what the problem was with the AFC. I just took a quick look at SuperBowl winners, and from 1980-2000 the AFC won just 5 times while NFC teams like Washington, Dallas, and SF won numerous times.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/4/2006 5:32:48 PM

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Yeah, well, in those days all the genius coaches were in the NFC: Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells...

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/5/2006 3:36:19 AM

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And Landry.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/5/2006 5:50:19 AM

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I think Jake Delhomme cried last night. Either cried or he had a cold. He kept wiping his nose with his hand during the press conference. He needs to carry a manly handkerchief.

Perhaps he needs a hug.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/5/2006 8:42:19 AM

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The AFC is 35-21 against the NFC this year. That's a winning percentage of .625. Basically, that means you should be able to multiply an AFC team's winning percentage by 1.67 to get its expected winning percentage in the NFC. That means those 4-8 Browns would have 6.7 wins if they were in the NFC. Amazing--but I've seen them play, and I definitely believe they'd be 6-6 or better in the NFC.

You have postualted that the AFC has better organizations. Let's see:

Top Organizations that have consistently won and or rebuilt their teams in 2000-2006:

New England (Best overall organization)
Pittsburg
Indianapolis
Denver
Tennessee (dealing with a cap purge well, maybe I have it overrated)
Baltimore

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Philidelphia
Seattle
Carolina

AFC (6) v. NFC (3)

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Good Organizations

Cincinatti (under Marvin Lewis has rebounded.)
Kansas City (consistent winner, always feisty, always tough at home)
Jacksonville (almost always competive, probably belongs a rung up)
San Diego (has turned a corner on the field and off the field)

Chicago (has put together a good team)
Dallas (Parcells w/o the QB has done pretty well)
Atlanta (compromised by injuries this year, but feisty)
New York Giants (feisty to Good)

AFC (4) v. NFC (4)

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Average Organizations

New York Jets
Buffalo
Miami

Green Bay
Minnesota
New Orleans (on the rise)
Tampa Bay (on the decline, maybe it still belongs a rung up)
San Francisco (on the rise)
St. Louis (very average)

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Bad Organizations

Cleveland
Oakland
Houston

Detroit
Washington
Arizona

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Overall, by my unscientific observations, the AFC does have better overall organizations. Many NFC franchises have been quite average for long periods. All the top NFC organizations made the Super Bowl, whereas Denver, TENN, and IND have not made it to the SB in quite sometime, but they have each fielded a good team running a good system over the past six years.

All of the top organizations have excellent coaches and good personell departments. It does seem there is more cream at the top of the AFC and more a middle, undistiguishable mass in the NFC. Each league is equal in bad franchises.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/5/2006 3:26:48 PM

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It has to be eating Daniel Snyder's guts up for Washington to be so underwhelming (not that I take any sadistic pleasure from that ), he is the poster child for the theory that money and impatience do not a champion make.

The Titans, while being on the low side the last couple of years, have put a decent foundation down, and I heard they're giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension; bet on them being back on top sooner than later.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/5/2006 3:28:01 PM

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I think Jake Delhomme cried last night. Either cried or he had a cold. He kept wiping his nose with his hand during the press conference. He needs to carry a manly handkerchief. Perhaps he needs a hug.

LOL, maybe so..... I wonder who'd volunteer?......

I know he looked like he was on the verge of being homicidal after that last interception.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/5/2006 3:36:24 PM

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Well he cost them the game. Keyshawn wanted a flag, did you see him toss his helmet? Jake isn't playing like "playoff Jake."

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/7/2006 7:37:58 AM

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NFL network tonight, Browns vs Steelers, in a game that doesn't matter. Inclement weather should make this fun! I like football in blizzards with players slipping and sliding all over the field.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/7/2006 3:09:20 PM

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NFL?????
didn't you mean NHL?

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/7/2006 4:54:24 PM

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Yeah, I've noticed that too. That muffucker is a good coach.

(Oh, "muffucker" bespeaks my lingering outrage over the improperly named Music City Miracle.)

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The Titans, while being on the low side the last couple of years, have put a decent foundation down, and I heard they're giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension; bet on them being back on top sooner than later.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/7/2006 5:17:10 PM

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Okay, let's talk outrage. Let's talk heartbreak.

1992, Buffalo. Houston leads 35-3 at halftime. Buffalo comes back to win, 41-38.

That still kills me, man. Not even the Music City Miracle (as great as it was!), puts a karmic dent in that.

But yep, the muffucker knows his stuff .

Seriously, it's sad that both of those teams, Levy's Bills and Jack Pardee's Oilers, didn't win a championship. Look at the freaking talent on both squads:

Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, Thurman Thomas, Cornelius Bennett, Darryl Talley, Bruce Smith, Kent Hull, and Shane Conlan.

Houston had Warren Moon, Mike Rozier, Bruce Matthews, Mike Munchak, Ray Childress, Cris Dishman, Sean Jones, and Drew Hill.

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Yeah, I've noticed that too. That muffucker is a good coach.

(Oh, "muffucker" bespeaks my lingering outrage over the improperly named Music City Miracle.)

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The Titans, while being on the low side the last couple of years, have put a decent foundation down, and I heard they're giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension; bet on them being back on top sooner than later.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 12/7/2006 5:36:42 PM

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I don't know why the Marv Levy Bills never won a Super Bowl; you're right that the talent on those teams was phenomenal. I think partly the explanation is that they were just unlucky.

But the Oilers were not in the same class. The Oilers never had a consistent ball-hogging running game, and their defense had a way of getting lit up now and then (as in that famous playoff game--which was actually in 1993). I forget, but didn't their pass rush really suck?

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