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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 7:13:19 AM   
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Just remember, Patriots fans are the most obnoxious in all of football.


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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 7:14:53 AM   
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Despite myriad official voices explaining to you .and the viewing audience,why it wasn't a catch....you keep insisting they got it wrong.
Everyone else is wrong and stef is right...again definition of an asshole



in totally unrelated news(cept the part where i am right and stef is wrong again) news out of Buffalo suggests that Rex Ryan is poised to sign a 5 year contract to coach the Bills
I'm not sure this is the best fit for Ryan,the Bills are a team without a QB and need mucho help on the offensive side of the ball....not Rex's strong suit for sure.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 7:18:45 AM   
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I wish he would step aside for Osweiler for a good part of each game, and keep himself fresher while at the same time letting Osweiler get some experience. Unfortunately, I don't see him stepping aside gracefully. I think he'll Favre it.



Issues of ego aside, that's just not the way it works. Can anyone remember a time when a more seasoned quarterback "split time" with their back-up, absent serious injury or inability to play?

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 7:21:28 AM   
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in totally unrelated news(cept the part where i am right and stef is wrong again) news out of Buffalo suggests that Rex Ryan is poised to sign a 5 year contract to coach the Bills
I'm not sure this is the best fit for Ryan,the Bills are a team without a QB and need mucho help on the offensive side of the ball....not Rex's strong suit for sure.


Yes, interesting for sure. Though, I'm not really surprised that he stayed in the AFC East. There's always been something very...umm...incestuous...to me about the division.



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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 7:44:07 AM   
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I wish he would step aside for Osweiler for a good part of each game, and keep himself fresher while at the same time letting Osweiler get some experience. Unfortunately, I don't see him stepping aside gracefully. I think he'll Favre it.



Issues of ego aside, that's just not the way it works. Can anyone remember a time when a more seasoned quarterback "split time" with their back-up, absent serious injury or inability to play?

Joe Namath used to get pulled out of Jet games so they could put in a younger qb in the red zone(I think that QB was Richard Todd)
Namath would drive the Jets down near the goal line than Todd would come in giving the Jets a mobile qb to possibly run it in.
Of course this didn't work out too well and Namath left the next year to go out west.Where he finished his career playing for the LA Rams....a truly,truly sad sight indeed.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 7:48:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Morton and Staubach once opened a season alternating snaps for Tom Landry.
I kid you not,Landry broke camp undecided on his starting QB so he decided to alternate them,play by play !!!!!!
One would run on as the other ran off....this also allowed Landry to institute something he had long wanted to do.
Calling the plays himself....he would send in each of them with a play called on the sidelines,of course now every team calls the plays on the sidelines but back in the day a QB was treasured not just for his physical gifts but as the teams signal caller.
Landry changed all of that !

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 8:07:13 AM   
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I wish he would step aside for Osweiler for a good part of each game, and keep himself fresher while at the same time letting Osweiler get some experience. Unfortunately, I don't see him stepping aside gracefully. I think he'll Favre it.



Issues of ego aside, that's just not the way it works. Can anyone remember a time when a more seasoned quarterback "split time" with their back-up, absent serious injury or inability to play?

Joe Namath used to get pulled out of Jet games so they could put in a younger qb in the red zone(I think that QB was Richard Todd)
Namath would drive the Jets down near the goal line than Todd would come in giving the Jets a mobile qb to possibly run it in.
Of course this didn't work out too well and Namath left the next year to go out west.Where he finished his career playing for the LA Rams....a truly,truly sad sight indeed.


Ok, so the time was about 4 decades ago.

I guess one could also point to, what was it Vick coming in for Sanchez (?), a couple of years back. That worked just as well as their wildcat shenanigans. LOL

All kidding aside, it seems to me that in the age of 10 million dollar quarterbacks, this is going to be way less likely to happen. How can the numbers be justified if the guy isn't playing?



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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 8:09:20 AM   
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Morton and Staubach once opened a season alternating snaps for Tom Landry.
I kid you not,Landry broke camp undecided on his starting QB so he decided to alternate them,play by play !!!!!!



Would have loved to have seen that. The teams they were playing must have LOVED that!

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 8:13:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Report is just out that Peyton played with a torn quad through the last month of the season.

Was Peyton with a torn quad really a better option than the back-up?

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 8:32:53 AM   
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Morton and Staubach once opened a season alternating snaps for Tom Landry.
I kid you not,Landry broke camp undecided on his starting QB so he decided to alternate them,play by play !!!!!!



Would have loved to have seen that. The teams they were playing must have LOVED that!


Not as much as Morton and Staubach hated it.The Next year Morton was traded to Denver and Staubach became a legend in Dallas.
Interestingly enough they later met in a Super Bowl with Staubach's Cowboys beating Morton's Orange Crush Bronco's...lol
By the way they both hated Landry's insistence on calling the plays.
Imagine a QB today fighting with his coach over play calling ?
Imagine Terry Bradshaw or Johnny U being stripped of what was back than considered an integral part of being a QB ie: calling the game ?

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 8:39:06 AM   
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Imagine a QB today fighting with his coach over play calling ?
Imagine Terry Bradshaw or Johnny U being stripped of what was back than considered an integral part of being a QB ie: calling the game ?


Yup...too many jobs would be at stake.

Do you know when the trend moved from Qb's calling the plays?

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 8:46:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Early 70's....Landry and his adherence to "the system" was the precursor to it
Landry felt like the players got in the way of his offensive genius...it was his contention that if he could just get his players to do exactly what,and no more than, what he drew up they're would be no stopping them
How Landry ever put up with Staubach is beyond me.Staubach,according to legend, once changed a route in the huddle that resulted in a long touchdown....this is in the Super Bowl mind you.when the players got to the sideline Landry wanted to know why the receiver went long when according to the script ,he was supposed to cut in !
Landry hated improvisation....he truly felt that taking emotion and improvisation out of the game was the only true path to continued excellence....of course most of his players felt different

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 8:55:44 AM   
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Landry hated improvisation....he truly felt that taking emotion and improvisation out of the game was the only true path to continued excellence....of course most of his players felt different


I don't know much about Landry (except for the hat...lol)-- but just from being a football fan for as long as I have, I'm really not surprised at the way you're saying he looked at the game.

And, from what I know about Staubach-- which also isn't much-- I *can* imagine that there would have been a clash of, erm...styles between the two of them.



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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 9:13:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being a Giants fan I never liked Landry(despite his NY giants roots,back in the late 50's Landry coached the defense while Lombardy coached the offense for Jim Lee Howell ,it was no wonder the Giants were constantly in the championship game back then )but I will never forgive Jerry Jones for the lousy way he handled firing Landry right after becoming owner of the Cowboys.
Landry surely deserved a more dignified exit than Jones afforded him.....he was a true giant of the game and helped build the league into the billion dollar business it is today.


edited to fix a freudian slip...i had inserted Johnson where Jones belonged.Of course the coach that Jones hired after firing Landry was....Johnson
sorry.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 9:44:37 AM   
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but I will never forgive Jerry Jones for the lousy way he handled firing Landry right after becoming owner of the Cowboys.



Don't even get me started on Mr. Jones.

He's certainly not the only one to see the bottom line as the only line...but, I'm with you...if someone of the caliber of Landry is someone you want to get rid of, do it with a bit of class. Have *some* respect for what he's done for the game AND for your team.

I can't help in speaking about this being reminded of the "parting of ways" that Peyton had with the Colts after his neck injury. I have no doubt that there were "backstage shenanigans" that the public didn't know about. But, what did the public see? An amicable parting of ways. A "thank you" for what you did for the team, and a "thank you" for what you gave me in my career. That strikes me, because it's so unusual in this day and age of "bottom line" thinking.

Call me "old fashioned", but I never fail to get a smile on my face when a great player signs a deal to stay with the team that drafted them until the end of their career. It shows a loyalty that is so rare in sports these days.

With that being said, I *do* understand what happened with Peyton and the Colts, and in the case of coaching where there just simply is a "difference in opinion". But, seriously...to risk the reputation of your team because of the "bottom line" (and ego)? I often do wonder about people like Jerry Jones. Obviously a shrewd businessman. But, where is the "upside" with people HATING your team because of you? I still dislike the Cowboys intently because of the "America's team" moniker from the mid-90s. 20 years later. I was just simply *happy* to see them lose yesterday. Where is the "business upside" to this? They say that no publicity is bad publicity...but does it sell seats and jerseys?

That last question was an honest one. Frankly, if my hating them adds even a cent to the value of the Cowboys, I'll become neutral on the subject.


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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 10:45:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I bet football,sometimes rather profitably (sometimes not,the ball does tend to bounce funny)Cowboy lines are often just a little bit out of whack due to their large,and willing to bet,fan base.
Notre Dame is like that in college ball.
So many fans,so willing to back their team with money and you get an occasional push on the line that is out of whack with reality.
Of course first you have to understand that the line isn't,and shouldn't be read as,an indicator on the relative talents of the teams involved.
The purpose of the line is to try to induce half the betting public to bet one way while the other half bets the other way,the bookie makes his money in the middle.....so the outsized willingness of Cowboy fans to bet their team....will sometimes force the Vegas oddsmakers to move the line in the other way to try to get the needed balance.
Cowboy hate,which is almost as large as Cowboy love mitigates this somewhat....but every once in awhile,on a big game things fall just right ;-)

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 11:06:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL...speaking of Notre Dame....I am NOT a college football fan, never have been. But, yeah, do have an intense dislike for ND. I guess, for those who make the odds...I'm beneficial, if I were to be a betting person. My favorite team? Any team that's play against ND...

Perhaps it's the same theory. Dang...I really don't watch college football during the regular season, but it pisses me off to see ND playing in the "ABC marquis matchup" every single freaking week.

But, that brings up the question to me...why should Vegas odds even make a difference for the team's bottom line?

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 11:10:35 AM   
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Being a Giants fan I never liked Landry(despite his NY giants roots,back in the late 50's Landry coached the defense while Lombardy coached the offense for Jim Lee Howell ,it was no wonder the Giants were constantly in the championship game back then )but I will never forgive Jerry Jones for the lousy way he handled firing Landry right after becoming owner of the Cowboys.
Landry surely deserved a more dignified exit than Jones afforded him.....he was a true giant of the game and helped build the league into the billion dollar business it is today.


edited to fix a freudian slip...i had inserted Johnson where Jones belonged.Of course the coach that Jones hired after firing Landry was....Johnson
sorry.

Loved the Landry cowboys, I detest what Jones has done to them.
He loves the business, not the sport.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 11:17:44 AM   
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The team has no direct benefit from all the gambling going on.
Indirectly they do benefit,the interest in the game is driven by gambling and that immense gambling is due to the "line"...without the line there would be no way to consistently make money off of betting.
Smart people would bet the right teams and the bookies would go broke,but you introduce "the line" an artificial way to level the playing field and induce half the public to bet one way while the other half goes the other and you make a fortune in the middle on the vig.
Meanwhile the game which officially frowns on any and all gambling goes along with it all by putting out regular injury reports so as to make the public feel informed in their gambling.
If the NFL truly wanted to discourage gambling that would be the first thing they would need to stop doing....no injury reports.
In the real world though the NFL fines coaches and organizations who don't assiduously follow the proscribed classifications (probable,doubtful etc.)for reporting injuries.

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RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread - 1/12/2015 12:33:58 PM   
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It doesn't.
The team has no direct benefit from all the gambling going on.



I find this one hard to believe.

Interest=ratings= why some teams are the "featured game".



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