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hemanactionfigur -> What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/27/2005 6:50:49 PM)

hi i was just curious to hear other peoples' definitions about what are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave

thanks in advance




sub4hire -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/27/2005 7:17:31 PM)

In my experience a bottom is into kinky play. No mental submission.

A slave vs a submissive, well that is relative to what you feel you are at the moment and what your partner thinks.




Moleculor -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/27/2005 8:52:13 PM)

The only definable difference that everyone will agree on is a difference in spelling. Better to ask the person who's using the label.




SwitchNCgal -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/27/2005 9:36:26 PM)

yeah i see bottoms as just in it for kinky sex. submissives give up anywhere from a little to a lot of control to their Masters/Doms/Mistresses/Dommes and have limits hard or soft. Where as Slaves give up total control to their Masters/Doms/Mistresses/Dommes and have no limits of any kind.

That is how I see them.

I'm a switch so I fall into the submissive when i submit to another.

I hope this helps




cynicalsuffering -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/27/2005 9:38:42 PM)

Well I'll give my 2 cents worth...and that' what it's worth because so many people have so many different definitions. I consider a bottom to be someone who likes to "play" a submissive role in scening, but is not submissive outside(or maybe even during) that play. For example, I know several Doms who like to bottom...because they are masochists, and like that release. I'd say most people think the difference between a submissive and a slave is the level of the intensity of the relationship. I consider myself a submissive, and an eager bottom...lol...but I dont consider myself a slave anymore. When I had a serious long term relationship with my last Dom....I was certinaly his slave...but then again a slave is a submissive, and usually does a lot of bottoming...lol. You are doing the right thing researching others opinions. Of all the discussion I've heard about submissive/slave...I still dont have a word for word way to explain it....I just know it when I feel it:) and that's fine with me...I'm not into cookie cutter relationships anyway.




hemanactionfigur -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/28/2005 3:46:12 PM)

thanks again for all the interesting information - it pretty much confirms what i thought before. thanks!




merrymasochist -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/29/2005 10:09:02 AM)

to me, "bottoming" is an expression of kink... "submission" is an expression of nature and personality....
just my thought...

sincerely,
merry






Interesdom -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/29/2005 11:03:30 AM)

Here's a link to a page that offers quite a good distinction and guide. Far from everyone believes it to be accurate or correct but I think it serves as a good starting point, at least.

BDSM? What is this all about?

There is a lot of fantasy involved when people discuss BDSM so some terms get very warped - especially ones like "Master", "Lord" and "slave". Not that there's anything wrong with that but you often need to be aware of the context and the author when reading.




ProtagonistLily -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/29/2005 1:30:14 PM)

quote:

hi i was just curious to hear other peoples' definitions about what are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave


Obviously, your milage may vary on this.

I think these are at best 'self definers'. I try not to box myself into any one or another. From the flipside, you could ask What's the difference between a Top, a Domme and a Mistress, and get lots of opinions as well.

I'm a woman, who enjoys playing with other people, regardless of gender. Depending on my relationship to that other person, I can self define as one or more of the lables on either side of the power spectrum.

I will answer as the DOER (however, I have also been the do-ee).

I consider myself a Top if I am playing with someone, who has submitted to me for a specific amount of time, but does not have a BDSM relationship with me that is more. We could have a friendship outside the 'play' relationship, but once they submit to my will in the scene, I define myself as a Top. The verb form of this could be. "I Topped so-and-so and it was great fun."

I consider myself a Domme if I am playing with someone, who has submitted to me for a specific amount of time, but someone that I am considering in a broader context of BDSM. Is this someone I feel connection to outside of an actual scene? Is this someone I'm interested in beyond the occasional scene? Is there a relationship that is more than friendship and could become a more permanant D/s thing? If this is the case, I define myself as a Domme. The verb form of this could be, "So and so and I played last night, and I'm considering becoming their Domme." This certainly could also mean I have more than one person I play with under the same context.

I consider myself a Mistress if I am playing with someone, who has submitted to me for a specific amount of time, but is also someone that I am bound to in a broader context of BDSM with respect to ownership. This is someone who I've developed a relationship beyond the level of Top and Domme, and is in my collar. The verb form of this could be "I own person X, I am their Mistress."

To me, all of these terms, (an conversely on the 'submissive end of the spectrum) are dependant on the relationship I have with a particular person at any given time.

So if I were on the other side of the play scenerios, I would see my most casual play relationships and define myself in them as a bottom, as in I bottomed to so and so Top last night and it rocked. If I was consistantly bottoming to a particular Dominant that I had developed some kind of relationship with in a broader context of BDSM, I may consider myself one of their submissives, and certainly feel an amount of deference to that person. This next part gets tricky with me (lol) because even if I am in a collar, and I refer to the dominant partner as Master (or Mistress) I would rarely define myself as their slave, but I would continue to identify as submissive.

I hope this is helpful.
Lily




phoenix52 -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/30/2005 8:35:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: merrymasochist

to me, "bottoming" is an expression of kink... "submission" is an expression of nature and personality....
just my thought...

sincerely,
merry


Wow, that really sums it up well. Both are good, neither is better, but there is definitely a difference. [;)]





thnkiwntaspank -> RE: What are the differences between someone who calls themselve a bottom, a submissive and a slave? (1/30/2005 12:06:10 PM)

When I first began this "journey", I picked "submissive" when asked my preference (I still do often because it is the closest applicable choice). As I researched and read about what I was getting involved in, I found the definition of "bottom" or "sensual/sexual submissive". Someone whose desire to submit does not extend beyond the sexual aspect of the relationship. It was a wonderful description of exactly what I am looking for. No one is more or less "real" here because of what they seek (and I thank all of you for continuing to take that stand). I see these relationships working well from one end of the spectrum to the other (slave-bottom), when each meets the right person (and I'm still hopeful about finding mine).

What I find interesting is that no matter HOW specific I am about who I am and what I seek, there is always someone out there who thinks that I am really seeking something else. These same people are truly amazed when I inform them that...no, you will not tell me what to wear to work, or insist I wear a butt plug to work, these areas of my life are totally off limits to play. The concept that anyone who is submissive should be so brazen! I'm smart enough to never accept someone like that, but I am still quite amazed.

But it presents a question to me. As for me, I work within the Family Law system, and I thoroughly enjoy what I do and would never give it up for anyone. My career and play must always remain separate because other people's lives and future depend on how well I am able to do my job. I'm sure that there are many other submissive (from any range of the term, slave-bottom) who also have positions which require them to be 100% devoted to their job when there. Has this issue ever come up in your relationship? If so, how has it been dealt with?




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