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Scamreport - 10/24/2006 10:34:52 PM   
Termyn8or


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In Ohio they are accusing a candidate of not paying his unemployment taxes, and they make it sound despicable, like the $1,700 shortage went into his pocket and took food out of others' children's mouths.

Now I do not support this candidtate nor his opponent. I ain''t voting for any of the scumbags, you might almost get me to vote on local issues at gunpoint, but I said MIGHT.

X has not paid his unemployment taxes in 13 years.

Now the amount in question is $1,700. Is it really that cheap ?

Let me tell you this, I do have a bit of familiarity with the law as it applies to business, and as far as I know, unemployment is insurance, and it protects the employer in much the same way workman's comp does.

Let us get this straight.

On the issue of unemployment "taxes", there is no such thing. It is a private insurance, although they used to get bailed out by the government from time to time. It is not, nor has it ever been mandatory. However, most business owners opt for it because of the indemnification it offers.

See, if you dismiss an employee because someone better has come along, usually they would be able to sue you for that, especially if they have been an employee for a long time. Once they file for unemployment compensation, they, right there in the application references, give up the right to sue you and have agreed to go through the system. This is by agreement only, if you do not file for umemployment you do not give up this right. One more of those little known facts. All you lawyers say whatever you want, but this IS still true.

On to workman's comp. There is no law that you have to enroll in it, but is you don't, you might be saddled with lawyer bills you really don't want, if someone gets hurt on  the job. WC is designed and built to protect the employer. Sometimes even negligence on the part of the employer is swept under the carpet, depends on where you work.

Go figure.

Alot of people don't realize, but recount the story of my Dad in Nebraska. They had mandatory insurance way before we did here, so of course he didn't have it. A state trooper told the cop "If you arrest him I will arrest you". This is not bullshit.

Read the above paragraph again. A state trooper is going to arrest a citty cop because he violates the law. If it didn't violate the law it would be a bunch of bullshit, but it is not.

There are so many things people don't know. Smoke pot ? Let's say they institute drug testing where you work. You get popped with dirty piss. Did you know that they CAN'T fire you now ? they might say you're fired, quit writing paycchecks, but you get all that anyway after the court case is settled. All your back pay, everything. They have to pay you for not working because they would not let you work.

Your performance was fine, everything was going well, but after a bunch of years, all the sudden, dismissal. You smoked a joint on Saturday night. You mist go. You just let me bend your lawyer's ear, you'll win.

DO NOT FILE FOR ANYTHING. Got the picture ?

Realistically, the kind of shit I am hooked up with now, we don't care about any of this shit, but I thought maybe some others would like to know. I can back up most of what I say.

Just, mainly for today, what I am saying, there is no such thing as unemployment taxes, it is unemployment insurance. It is not mandatrory and never has been. That is it. The way they twist things pisses me off. The incumbents piss me off, then this. This was a fuckup, period.



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RE: Scamreport - 10/25/2006 6:08:53 AM   
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IMO the song i fought the law and the law won- song comes to mind.

momma always told me- choose your battles carefully-

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RE: Scamreport - 10/25/2006 11:39:11 AM   
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It sounds like media sensationalism to me. I see nothing wrong with not paying unemployment insurance as long as the employer lets you know ahead of time. I have worked without that safety net and the work environment wasn't any different. Well, they were a bit more careful about terminating people for dumb reasons :P

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RE: Scamreport - 10/25/2006 3:36:51 PM   
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It must be quite a bit different down there than it is up here then.  Up here the employer has to deduct all those things from an employee's wages.  If not they get in serious trouble.

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RE: Scamreport - 10/25/2006 6:28:56 PM   
Termyn8or


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Well, the title of the thread was scamreport.

They got ads running hard against one Sherrod Brown who is running for office. The voice makes it sound like he stole, but it turns out he owed $1,700. For thirteen years. I know there's a spin on it and the ads now are starting to directly contradict each other.

UI (unemployment insurance) is not and never was mandatory, but it is greatly advantageous to an employer to get it, same with workman's comp. These are not taxes. These agencies are not part of the government, and whether you choose to believe it or want proof, neither is the FDIC, FSLIC, the IRS, even the federal reserve. All private corporations.

Forget the IRS and the fed in this thread, UI and WC are two things that have very little to do with the government, except that they are "incorporated". They are basically insurance companies, nothing more.

The thing is, I don't say it's all bad, but if you don't look you will not see. Thew reality is that many things you think are wrong. Had a job for over five years ? Smoke pot until you can't remember your name.  Do it. Think big, like the million dollar coffee girl at McD's.

The law is indeed all fucked up, but if anyone can get the upper hand why not ? That's what they do.

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RE: Scamreport - 10/25/2006 11:03:42 PM   
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Actually, it's unemployment tax, not insurance.  It has it's own little section in the Ohio Revised Code and all employers (as defined in the Ohio Revised Code) are required to pay contributions based on payroll.  Same with workers' compensation.  It is a requirement.  You can argue all you want that they aren't government agencies.  The people that argue that with the IRS don't get anywhere.

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RE: Scamreport - 10/25/2006 11:07:31 PM   
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in the state of CT both Unemployment Tax paid quarterly and Workmen' Comp Insurance is mandatory.  Only in the case of the Owner/president etc can that person be opted out.

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