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panthergoddess -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 12:51:58 PM)
Ok.....let's try to do this another way. Taggard, You meet someone you wish to own for whatever time length you choose. can you give a for instance on what that person would be doing during that time length? Would they be sitting or standing somewhere as though an ornamant for your home for you to gaze upon? Would they be an interactive peiece of property like a gameboy or massage chair? You want them to be own but not submit but they do have to serve some purpose other than to just be property. So what is it?

TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 12:52:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dark~angel I am really interested how You 'Dominate without dominating'... as it were... With thanks to Stephan Have you ever owned a cat? I have never tried to dominate a cat. I have trained my cat to do things...but I never dominated it. I forced it to do things, but it never submitted. Ownership of a slave that is not based in dominance and submission is very similar to this. You own, you care for, you protect, you love, you train and you guide. It isn't, can't be, as clear cut as all of that. I love to top. I love to dominate. But my real kink is in the ownership. Taggard

TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 12:58:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: panthergoddess Would they be sitting or standing somewhere as though an ornamant for your home for you to gaze upon? Quite possibly...though more likely they would be doing this at a fetish party or event. quote: Would they be an interactive peiece of property like a gameboy or massage chair? Again, maybe. It would depend on what had been arranged. I love to train, so they might be learning things such as dance or slave positions or rituals. quote: You want them to be own but not submit but they do have to serve some purpose other than to just be property. So what is it? It would depend on the person. I might want them to accompany me to a vanilla event. I might want to have them bottom to me in a scene. I might want to beat them like they owed me money. Yet all of that would be secondary to the simple pleasure of having them belonging to me. Like almost all aspects of this lifestyle, there is a blend of kinks in every relationship. For me, however, the principle aspect is one of ownership, and that seems to be quite misunderstood and ignored. Taggard

TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:08:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176 I would be interested in understanding how property retains the ability to dictate what uses it may be put to. This is a different interpretation of the term than any I have previously encountered. Ever owned a timeshare or a condo? Your property rights in either of those situations are limited. Try putting a cell phone tower in your front yard. You'll find that you do indeed have limitations on what you can do with your property. quote: Owned property, as I have encountered it, doesn't expect or want to have the "right" to refuse to be used as the owner sees fit. In my experience, this is the basis for the kink. I have dealt with many who have a strong desire to be owned, yet do not wish to give away all their rights to someone they just met. They wish to explore the ownership dynamic in a gradual process, much like submissives can enjoy submitting a bit at a time over a long time. My definitions allow for those who are interested in the ownership dynamic to safely and sanely explore. quote: On the flipside, if one owns property, one has the ability to use that property as one sees fit. I would say for things of consequence, this is very rarely true. quote: In the case of human property, this puts the owner in a position of authority over his property, wherein the property is required to serve, as ordered, in whatever way the owner has decreed. Is this materially different than what you're talking about or have I merely gotten lost in semantics? If that is the kind of ownership that was negotiated, that would indeed be true. However, there is more than one kind of ownership. There is conditional ownership, where the rights of ownership will be revoked if certain conditions are not met or certain limits are exceeded. There is temporary ownership. There are all sorts of contracts of ownership to be negotiated. Any definition that implies ownership must mean 24/7 no-limits ownership shows, to me, a decided lack of imagination. Thanks, Taggard

TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:18:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176 I would think it would make more sense to explore a partner who is attracted to the idea of being owned property than attempting to convince the majority to revise their definition of M/s to comply more closely with an O/p dynamic. Prolly true. quote: This assumes that we are, in fact, approaching the terms owner and property from similar definitions. My definition of ownership has one very simple criteria. Someone is owned when she is unable exercise her right to leave the relationship of her own volition. Hmmm...that seems a funny definition of the word owned to me. It has the same problem that I have with your definition of the word slave. It reeks of BDSMishness... I think it has much more to do with the concept of "claim". If someone can "lay claim" to something through a contract or deed or title, then they own it. In the SSC world, that claim would be two sided. And owner lays claim and the property would support that claim. quote: Surrender is an animal of another color. Surrendering one's will to another requires the ability to displace one's ego and subordinate oneself to another's judgement and values. That is a use of the word surrender that I am not familiar with. To me, surrender is a form of submission. Conotatively, surrender is more formal than submission, but need not be unconditional. quote: IMO, the difference is psychological. A submissive may agree to do as she is told in certain areas whereas a slave learns to be who she is told in every area. Again this may appear to be a subtle difference but remains a true difference. I find it an arbitrary difference imposed by those who don't really understand that the need to own and be owned need not be as drastic and complete as defined by the majority of lifestylers. I like to practice casual ownership with those who enjoy being casually owned. It is a different kink, but there you have it... Taggard

panthergoddess -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:24:14 PM)
Ok so here's a thought....(trying at least) You are a "Commodity" Dom meaing that you enjoy owning the property for your use (whatever that may be and for whatever time length you choose) but also then setting it free and getting a new one?!?!

TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:38:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: panthergoddess You are a "Commodity" Dom meaing that you enjoy owning the property for your use (whatever that may be and for whatever time length you choose) but also then setting it free and getting a new one?!?! That is an interesting way to put it. The setting free and getting a new one isn't really part of my kink. I think such turnover is rather natural, however, in the kind of relationship I desire. Taggard

panthergoddess -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:40:25 PM)
"Assemly line" Dom?!?! As in ya get um, (in certain cases) train um, and send um on their way? (dude Im tryin here)

SirTyson -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:53:30 PM)
OMG!!!! I go to work for one day and the post blows up!!!! This is a lot to take in at one time...lol. quote: Ah ha! Perhaps this might actually get us to the root of my issue. You see, for me, slavery has nothing to do with dominance and submission. I can own, and yet not need to dominate or have my property submit. The thrill is in the ownership, not the submission. It is a different kink, and one which the current definitions neglect to include. Let's say I sign a 2 hour contract with a "piece of property." She agrees to belong to me for those 2 hours, stipulating just what use I will have of my property during that time. It might be that my property will submit to my dominance during those hours, but that is not what the contract (and much of my thrill) is about. Taggard...my friend, my debating rival, the root of all my headaches lately....lol. Now I finally see where you are coming from!!! But in no way have I submitted to you just yet...lol. If I did then I would be your sub...I think. Right? All this has gotten me confused now...lmao!!! j/k. Ok, we'll make this real easy.... Dom/Domme means "Taggard please enter your definition here" Master means "Taggard please enter your definition here" sub means "Taggard please enter your definition here" slave means "Taggard please enter your definition here" And those answers will now apply to every one, if you dont agree then come take it up with me...lmao J/K!!!! (Oh I just know people are going to take that just way to seriously, it's a joke people!!!) Cant get rid of me that easily Taggard...lol. Once I have gotten some rest from working the past 15 hours and can think clearly, I WILL RETURN!!!!! In the famous words of Cory Haim (I think) "Goonies never say die!!!"

SirTyson -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:54:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: panthergoddess Ok so here's a thought....(trying at least) You are a "Commodity" Dom meaing that you enjoy owning the property for your use (whatever that may be and for whatever time length you choose) but also then setting it free and getting a new one?!?! LOL!! Thats good panthergoddess :)

SirTyson -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 1:55:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: panthergoddess "Assemly line" Dom?!?! As in ya get um, (in certain cases) train um, and send um on their way? (dude Im tryin here) LMAO!!! That's even better!!!

TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: definitions (2/3/2005 2:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: panthergoddess "Assemly line" Dom?!?! I don't really considered myself a Dom of any stripe. "Owner/Trainer/Service Top" is about as close as I can come to describing my roles... Taggard

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