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Rope Bondage Knots - 10/26/2006 2:45:42 PM   
damia


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Status: offline 		A Dom i have been playing with is really into rope bondage, and i'm into it a little less, but still definitely into it. However, my favourite play with rope bondage is a sort of 'escape artist' roleplay. Here's the scenario: i am a wild Kat, and He ties me up as tight as He can (as tight as is safe for short term) and with the hardest knots He can come up with to tie me with, and i have to get out of it. So far i have been able to get out of it all, and we are looking for ideas for harder knots to undo and other things we can add to make it harder and more difficult for me to get out of the bondage.

So my question is, what knots do You use that You have found work the best when You want to make sure the sub can't get out at all, and is there anything else You use to ascertain this further? Any ideas are welcome. We're just looking to have lots of fun with this; i love it and He loves watching it.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/26/2006 6:08:49 PM   
Voltare


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Status: offline 		Well, rope bondage seems to rule out the three most effective types of restraints - Metal, Velcro, and Duct Tape.  With this in mind, your Dom might benefit from knowing:

The hardest knots to escape are the type tied with very thick, heavy, and inflexible material.  Cotton just won't do the job here.  Fine chain is better (more friction.)  Don't EVER tie hands together, it's pointless.  Tying hands to something - something metal preferably, but wood does the job too - are the way to go here.

Restrain her head, and her chin.  It's harder to take off what you can't see.

Restrain her hips.  It's an area you can tie very tightly, without fear of cutting off circulation.

An ideal situation would be to use plastic zipcords on a womans hands, feet, and hips onto a St Andrew's cross, but you can acheive similar results (with the added bonus of the rape fantasy) on a common brass bed. 

Above all, never tie the hands together, unless you want her to actually escape.     


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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/26/2006 7:17:39 PM   
damia


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Status: offline 		Thank You for the advice! i'll be sure to pass it on, and see how we can work from here. He and i have talked about tying me into a cage, and i'm all for it; He'll also be blindfolding me, which i love. i agree that it is harder to remove something i can't see, and especially hard if i don't see what knots He uses and in what order. Makes it quite exciting. Agreed about the hands; easy-to-undo hands make the job boringly easy. How does restraining the hips make it harder to get out of? i'm curious about this one; sounds like it could be useful, but i'd definitely like to know what it does to restrain a person.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/26/2006 8:26:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some women have hands that are about the same size as their wrists, these women can get out of most ties with just some minor abrasions. So for someone like this, you need to work on the hands. Bondage mittens would work. However so would putting a rolled pair of socks in your hands, have you make a fist over them, and then covering the hand in saran and duct tape. If you can't use your fingers, and you make the hand bigger than the wrist, then getting free is damned near impossible. Presuming you prevent her from using teeth to free hands of course.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/26/2006 9:29:58 PM   
damia


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Status: offline 		Mitts are a fine idea, as i am indeed able to make my hands as small as my wrists (they aren't the same size as my wrists, but i can contort them into being such), and i think that may add to the effect of me being a Kat, especially if they are kitty mitts (which i've seen in a few places...i think sub-shop has them?). But the only way He would keep this Kat from using teeth is a gag or muzzle. If we were not doing this with me being the wild Kat, then a simple 'Stay in your bondage' would work, but we are having fun with my rebellious side, and He allows some mischievous misconduct when we play like this. He is even allowing me to snap, bite, and scratch if i am good. Though i cannot scratch hard, and can only nibble, because of His sensitive skin.

Part of the purpose is to see how well i can obey Him if He tells me to release myself from bondage...not always easy! i think it's just fun, and is a great way for us to relax and have fun. :) But the more challenging, the more fun. Thanks for the ideas so far!

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/27/2006 5:49:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had visions of you being tied to things, so that even though you could still bite him, you couldn't get your hands to your teeth to free your hands. But even so, as long as he's watching he could wrestle you and keep pinning your hands down so you couldn't get free.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/27/2006 6:29:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		For bondage, I have a strong preference for all-cotton clothesline - it's not too slippery, and limber enough, and soft enough to not chafe the skin.  Rather than using knots, I use lashings - a coil around the two things you're binding, followed by a few loops around the coil, between the things you're binding (not the best description, but if someone needs, I can try better later - it's still second cup of coffee here).

Personally, I've never been that fond of binding wrists together - I'd far rather bind wrists to ankles.  It's just handier for access to other areas, y'know?

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/27/2006 12:26:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a kind of play that I enjoy doing. If you want to go prop free, have her on her knees, hands on ankles. Bind the wrists to the opposite leg as well as pull back the ring and index finger with rope to make manipulation really difficult.  For more fun, have a rope that connects to her wrists go between her legs with large knots against her clit, vagina and anus so that each movement she makes will be arrousing. The added concentration needed will delay any escape attempt. Another thing that can be done is to run a rope from each forearm or elbow, up and around the underside of the breasts to inhibit the ability to take both hands to other knots.  What kind of knots do I use? For the most part, simple ones out of the Boyscout's Handbook but if I want something that will take her some time to work out of I will use seaman's knots and braids. Nothing is quite as fun as seening what kind of shapes they will contort into to reach that braid of rope going from her thighs to her shoulders.  Thin elastic rope or silk rope is what I prefer because a tight knot seems to refuse to come undone.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/27/2006 11:38:26 PM   
emdoub


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ORIGINAL: shadevarr
Bind the wrists to the opposite leg as well as pull back the ring anindex finger with rope to make manipulation really difficult.

The rest was good - but this - this was stellar.  Thanks!

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/28/2006 12:24:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I prefer hemp to cotton, mainly because cotton can stretch, which makes the restraint looser but the knots tighter.  And hemp has better friction against itself so it is not as easy to just wiggle a lot and have it slip apart.  (Plus, if the subject gets uppity while you are tying, hemp "snaps" in a lovely stingy way!)
 
As far as the tie, I prefer asymetrical - one hand in front, pulled up around the neck, one bent the other direction across the back.  (I am not explaining this well, so if you want to see a picture, Click Here).  It is actually relatively comfortable, so you can stay in it awhile, but really hard to wiggle out of.  I like to have someone standing on one foot, the other pulled up to a loop that is then attached to the back hand.  It keeps them off balance, so you can touch and tickle to your heart's content.  I actually use a minimum of knots, but lots of twists and bends in the rope - keeps the harness more stable on the body.  The knots themselves - of course, keep them away from prying fingers.  A favorite touch of mine is to put the "real" knot out of reach, but have extra long ends; bring the ends to a place where you can tie a knot "carelessly" within reach.  After your loving sub has spent about 15 minutes working on the accessible knot and pridefully pulls the ends free - s/he realizes it was all an illusion, and they are still tied just as much as they were when they started. 
 
If you want to play with other items, plastic wrap can be really hard to get out of if you apply several layers, and a really tight duct tape hogtie with pinned elbows is pretty much impossible to escape from.
 

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/28/2006 12:32:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I found out the hard way I am quite allergic to hemp. Tis not a good thing to be itching too badly to play with your pet after youve gotten them tied. I have had fairly good luck with the rope tey use for rock climbing and whatnot, but then agian I do very minima tying.  I prefer cuffs, or simply holding someone down. However, I like the brightly colored ropes when I do tie, becasue not only do I like how they look but they are nearly impossible to wiggle out of assuming Ive gotten my knots right.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/28/2006 12:35:45 AM   
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I found out the hard way I am quite allergic to hemp.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/28/2006 12:37:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		*grin* Not since I was a freshman in college... and the reaction wasnt much better.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/28/2006 12:40:32 AM   
Bluebird


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Have you tried smoking it?

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire
I found out the hard way I am quite allergic to hemp.



I have one girl who is quite allergic to the hemp, and I tease her that it's because she smoked so much of the damn stuff, she overloaded her tolerance!  But actually, it is often the mink oil used to treat it, not the hemp itself.  But yeah, if you are allergic to it, stay away.  I personally have more problem with the climbing ropes - they seem to stiff & itchy to me.
 
Oh - and 4mm hemp is fabulous for CBT - as long as he is not allergic to it!

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/28/2006 6:37:53 AM   
SirLordTrainer


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Status: offline 		To use old school ropespeak you are what we call an eel, in that your slippery in getting out of someones ties... Now I dont know how long your partner has been practicing bondage but if your escaping fairly easily Id wager its not been that long. The basic most simplest knots will hold you if tied properly, and he wont find that out until hes mastered them. My advice to him is to try going to the Bondage University website, they have links to some very basic and beneficial tutorials.

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RE: Rope Bondage Knots - 10/31/2006 10:07:15 AM   
desoutter


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Status: offline 		This is a great site for general information on how to tie knots
http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/knotlink.htm 
 
Knots that I like in particular:
Bowline - This knot will not jam... or slip
Clinched Half Blood - for suspension and other...

You could try a harness... like a petzl - http://store.karstsports.com/harnessespetzl.html
It gives you plenty of options for binding limbs and such plus that harness isnt going anywhere.
I have made my own in black with stainless D rings and looks pretty nice...

hope this helps
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