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daddysprop247 -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/27/2006 6:28:03 AM)
i would agree with Arpig...this person sounds like both a Dominant and an abuser.

meatcleaver -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/27/2006 6:35:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theRose4U quote: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/26/judge.sex.ap/index.html RACINE, Wisconsin (AP) -- A former municipal judge faces 18 felony charges after two women accused him of making them sign a contract that let them live on his property if they gave him control of their prescription medications, which he then doled out in exchange for sex acts. Glenn A. Staege, 67, was charged Wednesday in Racine County Circuit Court with two counts of causing a person to practice prostitution and 16 counts of possession of prescription drug with intent to deliver, all felony charges. The women alleged the former judge forced them to sign a contract before they could live at his property that stated, in part: "The more cooperative you are with me to help me meet my needs, the more cooperative I will be to meet your needs. I can be your best friend or your worst enemy." One of the women said she and her boyfriend were homeless when Staege offered to let them live in a van on his property, according to court documents. She contends Staege forced her to engage in various forms of sexual activity 18 times in order to get her prescription medications, and that he videotaped the liaisons. The other woman said in court documents that she gave her Social Security checks to Staege, who bought her clothes and got her things she needed. She said she is addicted to the painkiller Percocet and that Staege gave her up to 12 pills a day. That woman said she felt obligated to have sex with him for pills, but that he never came out and said it. She said he would tell her "you cooperate with me, I'll cooperate with you." Staege remained at the Racine County Jail on Thursday. His attorney, Rod Koenen, did not return a call Thursday from The Associated Press seeking comment. If convicted on all counts, Staege could face up to 108 years in prison and up to $180,000 in fines. Staege served as a municipal court judge in the town of Raymond, Wisconsin, for four years in the 1980s and '90s, handling minor issues like traffic and zoning violations. He worked previously as a teacher. Found the above article today and it made me go Humm I wonder? What's your thought scary dom or guy into abusing power? How can someone force you to sign a contract so you can live on their property? I don't see how anyone could force someone to do this unless you have them in chains. Stinks of M/s relationships gone wrong and a lot of bitterness in the aftermath. Jeez, I know a woman who drooled over a similar contract with someone I know.

theRose4U -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/27/2006 9:37:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 i would agree with Arpig...this person sounds like both a Dominant and an abuser. Seems to me that being an abuser would negate being dominant because you're dangerous and out of control?

theRose4U -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/27/2006 9:40:52 PM)
quote: How can someone force you to sign a contract so you can live on their property? Most people would call that a lease...this one apparently has some interesting rent. quote: Stinks of M/s relationships gone wrong and a lot of bitterness in the aftermath This is kind of where my mind went but how does the extra boyfriend figure into the picture?

DOM33416 -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 4:02:35 PM)
They did sign an agreement , they did live there , he did not go kidnap them off the street. They chose the path they took , I saw nothing in the article that indicated there would be any reason they could not just move along to what ever fate awaited them before they arrived at his place. Other choices they made in life put them there. There is an old saying " ass , gas or cash , no one rides for free "

BDSM05478 -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 4:16:09 PM)
That whole situation is twisted. I can understand having few choices but they chose to accept his offer. Thankfully it didn't turn out like the slave_master incident in kansas (I think) I wouldn't call dude a "Dom" but he definatly fills the guy on a power trip option.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 4:29:06 PM)
I disagree that he is that scarey, though he is on a power trip... He just needs to find a better stock of slaves if he clears these charges. To me these are people he's helped onto their feet (by controlling how they live, how much they spend, and how much drugs they consumed) who are now giving him the ungrateful finger... I mean couldn't a judge get a blowjob any day by getting an oral girlfriend, or paying a friendly girl? ....And how the heck did he force them to sign a contract?? M

Caius -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 4:38:59 PM)
I don't think either label is particularly apt. The term that most readily springs to mind for me is sociopath. The situation for the second woman mentioned is disturbing enough, but she certainly allowed her addiction to make her complicent in the situation whereas there was no element of addiction mentioned for the first woman so its entirely possible her need for that medication was severe. Regardless, this a pathetic and vile little man who, unable to illicit obedience --and proabably sexual contact for that matter --through the force of his own character and being no longer in possesion of the position that once gave him so much authroity and control over people's lives, resorted to the most hamfisted and dispicable means of exploiting the unfortunate. It's frightening to think of how many people's fates may have been in this man's hands. Or are in similar hands right now; unfortunately, this kind of character trait is all too common in those who decide their role is to administer the rule of law. Let's hope this guy gets a kindred spirit as a judge for his own trial...and a likeminded cellmate.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 4:42:57 PM)
We are assuming that we have the whole story from the accusers' side right? ...Accusers whom we would most likely agree are phucked in the head for one reason or another; my position is wait for the truth, because if I can give homeless drug addicts the benefit of the doubt, I can certainly do the same for the potential cretin judge. M

Caius -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 4:52:03 PM)
I can certainly agree with you there. My stance largely assumed the story is reported accurately, which is of course never a certainty. That short excerpt from the wording of the contract, however, along with some of the other details of the story, make me dubious that this guy is a saint being vilified.

MissUnleaded -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 6:59:51 PM)
The media tend to distort the truth, whether because of lack of information, the reporter's prejudices, the witness's prejudices, or just to make a more sensational headline. Who knows what really happened? I imagine that some of the people on this board would be treated just as unkindly if they happened to make it into the papers. [8\|]

Nitedom -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 7:06:49 PM)
I'd like to know a little more about the backgrounds of all people involved. I'm certainly aware of drug abusing women who turn to selling sex in order to fund their drug habits. I am also aware of judges who have used their position to force sex from women. Usually these thing don't spring full bodied all at once, there is some history to the action that finally draws legal attention. And I am troubled that there were contracts signed. They are not enforceable as a matter of law and most adults are aware of this. It isn't like you can go in to small claims court and ask the judge to require the woman to go down on you in compliance with the signed contract. Why didn't the lady and her boyfriend simple drive off or go back from where they came if there was a change of heart?

corsetgirl -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 7:20:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caius I don't think either label is particularly apt. The term that most readily springs to mind for me is sociopath. The situation for the second woman mentioned is disturbing enough, but she certainly allowed her addiction to make her complicent in the situation whereas there was no element of addiction mentioned for the first woman so its entirely possible her need for that medication was severe. Regardless, this a pathetic and vile little man who, unable to illicit obedience --and proabably sexual contact for that matter --through the force of his own character and being no longer in possesion of the position that once gave him so much authroity and control over people's lives, resorted to the most hamfisted and dispicable means of exploiting the unfortunate. It's frightening to think of how many people's fates may have been in this man's hands. Or are in similar hands right now; unfortunately, this kind of character trait is all too common in those who decide their role is to administer the rule of law. Let's hope this guy gets a kindred spirit as a judge for his own trial...and a likeminded cellmate. Very well put, to have a judge whose position of authority is in the hands of the defendants and to promote the addiction to one of the slaves to Percocet is nothing short of being a pimp, not a dom! I hope he gets the maximum prison time. Those who are in the judicial and law enforcement system have to be held in the highest standards, this man definitely abused that area!

sanita -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/28/2006 11:54:30 PM)
Scary Dom, as well as a nut job and power tripper. There are all kinds of Doms, ones i would respect, and ones i would run away from. There are a few who, if they touched me in any way, might get a knee broken. The guy has dominant tendencies. (He is no longer a judge, so that power is not being abused.) However, the power that these people gave him was abused. If a self-professed Dom came to me with a contract like that, i would consider him very scary, and i would not agree to it. From the article posted alone, i would infer that the accusers did not have informed consent when they signed the contract. Now, as to why they did not get up and go? That is part of the story we don't know. He took a dominant position, and abused it. not all Doms are reasonable and sane, just like not all Aussies like vegemite. Heck, are all subs stable or capable of catering to Anyone's tastes perfectly? This is just my opinion, do with it what you will.

Shadowrun -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/29/2006 12:44:04 AM)
Can we go with Dominat wanna be at best. It is interesting what some of the posters said it depends how you slant the story. In one aspect it could be someone who took people in and offered to control their meds, because they needed help in getting over addictions. However it seems to much that it was then maintaining control over them by doling out their meds in exchange for sex rather than providing them with the control they needed. In other words there should never have been any connection between sex and their meds. Or you can even figure that he gave in from what he intended for offers of sex. Which makes him no Dom at all since he was letting the "sub" control him. This person most likely found not a sub but a doormat he figured out he could manipulate, and at this point really doesn't deserve any pity for the consequences of his actions and if he is identifying as a member of the BDSM community is only making that community look bad.

understeer -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/29/2006 3:39:32 AM)
The most frightening part that caught my eye... is that the guy was a teacher. What a great friggin role model for kids.

eyesopened -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/29/2006 5:08:52 AM)
Nowhere in the article did it say this guy was using his authority to get these women to sign the contracts. i'm trying to think of M/s contracts. Let's say someone from this site, meets a Master, signs a contract which gives Master control and later she doesn't like the arrangement even though she claimed to be a slave on this (or any other BDSM) site. Let's say she then goes to the police and describes her "ordeal". Wouldn't it sound exactly like this article except for the "former municipal judge" part?? What exactly makes this guy any worse than any other M in a M/s relationship?

RedSavageSlave -> RE: Scary Dom or guy on a power trip? (10/29/2006 5:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Both. Despite all the protestations about this not being a D/s relationship, it is. It isn't a consentual one, but remember that consent is in fact not a defining aspect of D/s. It may well be a defining aspect of the BDSM lifestyle, but it isn't of the basic drives and dynamic. The judge was clearly a dominant (he needed to control these women, to the degree of actually purchasing one's clothes, and he was scary. As well he was a slimey guy on a power trip. He was also abusing a position of authority...so everybody is at least a little bit right. The women were not in submission to the judge... he was simply a way to get the drugs they were addicted to. He was taking advantage of that fact. What they were submitting to was their addiction.

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