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onlythewindknows -> Love? (10/28/2006 7:47:43 AM)
OK i am listed as vanilla to the left, and this is kind of a big question, and i know this gets touched on a bit here and there, BUT... To me it is clear that there is a zone where many (most? all?) subs/slaves adore and perhaps truly love their Masters. I am still unclear about the other way around. This question is not meant generically but to Your own experience. Have You/would You/could You really love, perhaps (by however You might define it) be in love with a sub/slave or is there a level of control that would prevent it from happening or at least from it being revealed to her OR would that feeling blur the power exchange and perhaps even cause You to sever ties with her? Or would it make the whole thing stronger? I know this sounds naive on some level but i mean it as an essential question and am interested in individual perspectives. Also, i don't want this to go on a "what is love" tangent - let "love" be whatever You find it to be in Your direct experience.

Level -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 7:51:02 AM)
I've had one submissive, and I loved her very much. It did not affect our D/s aspect very much at all. All things are possible, and the potential is there for any kind of relationship.

LadyMarmalade1 -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 7:53:20 AM)
I cannot speak for the Masters, but i am a Mistress and I love my slave very much. As we get deeper in Ds and as we are together longer, I love him even more. I think it makes everything that much stronger, but I imagine there are others who disagree. I am sure there are many Masters who love their slaves/subs. I guess it all depends on the people involved. Lady Marmalade

KnightofMists -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 8:13:12 AM)
yes... I am very much in love with alandra and kyra.

gandalf0297 -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 8:57:16 AM)
Love certianly adds an interseting dynamic to the mix.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 9:11:24 AM)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_651231/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#651253 What's love got to do with it? http://www.collarchat.com/m_632033/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#632105 Loving your property http://www.collarchat.com/m_609494/mpage_2/key_love/tm.htm#609934 Ownership and Love http://www.collarchat.com/m_545462/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#545482 What does love got to do with it? http://www.collarchat.com/m_538921/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#538965 The Loving Dom http://www.collarchat.com/m_499831/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#499881 Don't fall in love with your dom http://www.collarchat.com/m_477568/mpage_3/key_love/tm.htm#484997 How common is it to fall in love with a submissive or dominant? http://www.collarchat.com/tm.asp?m=423736&mpage=1&key=love&#423879 Love and Ms http://www.collarchat.com/m_282567/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#282615 submissive/slave romantic love http://www.collarchat.com/m_269031/mpage_1/key_love%252Csubmission/tm.htm#269120 Falling in love with Mistress http://www.collarchat.com/m_248492/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#248492 true love in a relationship http://www.collarchat.com/m_236486/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#236486 balancing commitment and love http://www.collarchat.com/m_199915/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#199915 love in bdsm http://www.collarchat.com/m_166085/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#166085 love and D/s http://www.collarchat.com/m_65043/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#65043 love and bdsm (the unfettered heart) http://www.collarchat.com/m_150281/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#150281 Is it normal to fall in love with your dom during training? http://www.collarchat.com/m_125880/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#125880 not allowed to love him, what do I do? http://www.collarchat.com/m_119832/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#119832 being owned or being loved http://www.collarchat.com/m_97124/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#97124 subs/masochists and love http://www.collarchat.com/m_31285/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#31285 can love get in the way? http://www.collarchat.com/m_14998/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#14998 love in d/s http://www.collarchat.com/m_2491/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#2491 is love important in a relationship?

onlythewindknows -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 9:44:21 AM)
wow LuckyAlbatross - awesome - thanks for the effort in posting this list!

charismagirrl -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 9:51:15 AM)
i definitely love my Master/Daddy-completely and fully and he loves me in the same type of way.He actually was in love with me before i could allow myself to fall in love with him. Personally, i think it makes us much stronger and it will also make it easier for him to push me to further places. He has gone to great lengths to make sure that i am secure in his love for me so that when he does some of the nasiy things he does or wants to do to me/with me that i will know that they're coming from a place of love. Atleast in our case (and i can only speak of us and no one else) the absence of love would make it impossible for us to do the things we do or will do.

Celeste43 -> RE: Love? (10/28/2006 6:19:19 PM)
We've discussed this as it worries me that his feelings for might make it impossible for his to draw a line. However he assures me this is needless. I am probably indulged more because he loves me, he wants to do nice things for me, make sure I'm not overworked etc. Which is quite different from him feeling that he has to do things or else I might leave. It's very much his choice, and that's what matters to me.

TexasMaam -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 3:05:16 PM)
In a word, yes, both requited Love, and otherwise. TM

slavejali -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 3:23:27 PM)
A parent loves their child yet maintains authority in the relationship. A person loves a dog but has no problem disciplining it or keeping the roles in tact.

Lashra -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 3:32:07 PM)
I love my sub with all my heart and he loves me just as much. I can't imagine a relationship without it, for me it would be pretty empty. ~Lashra

angelspassion4u -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 3:38:58 PM)
*I could never be in a relationship without love. I have to be in love with the person to be totally free to give my submission to them. That is just me. [sm=flying.gif]*

slavejali -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 4:19:39 PM)
quote: Also, i don't want this to go on a "what is love" tangent - let "love" be whatever You find it to be in Your direct experience. Was thinking about that. Love, whatever it is to each individual usually amounts to some kind of connection, bond whatever. Do we really want to give ourselves to someone who can't/won't feel that, seems that would be setting ourselves up for an abusive relationship. Saying that, I don't believe there can be a healthy D/s relationship without some form of love, whatever people conceive it to be.

Caitriona -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 4:29:28 PM)
I loved (and married) my Dom before we started exploring a D/s dynamic. I cannot imagine having a D/s relationship that was not this deeply intimate. However, I feel it makes the power exchange more difficult since I did not enter into the relationship in this role. It is something that required a change in perspective for me -it has not been easy but it has been worth the struggle. With each day that passes I am more comfortable and fulfilled in my role as his submissive. I would imagine that coming into a relationship knowing your expected role (and what it entails) might be easier - especially when you know that role exists within a relationship where you are loved. I do not think that this would be without its "bumps in the road" but I think they might be less severe than what I went through. My Lord desires to have a slave in the future, and he will love her, in a way that is different but no less valid than how he loves me.

Kaledorus -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 4:32:21 PM)
Even in the most extreme forms of slavery, e.g., Gorean, Norman writes about Masters falling in love with their slaves and how important it is, out of love itself, to be strict with such slaves. Outside of the Gorean context there are also absolute Master-slave relationships where the Master loves His slave. I think it only human that such would happen. Although there are cases where the slave may not be loved but that is true of all too many relationships today.

mistresssavanna -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 5:32:16 PM)
D/s in it's ultimate form, does NOT exist without love on some level. Regards, Mistress Savanna

dixicritter -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 6:31:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caitriona I loved (and married) my Dom before we started exploring a D/s dynamic. I cannot imagine having a D/s relationship that was not this deeply intimate. However, I feel it makes the power exchange more difficult since I did not enter into the relationship in this role. It is something that required a change in perspective for me -it has not been easy but it has been worth the struggle. With each day that passes I am more comfortable and fulfilled in my role as his submissive. I would imagine that coming into a relationship knowing your expected role (and what it entails) might be easier - especially when you know that role exists within a relationship where you are loved. I do not think that this would be without its "bumps in the road" but I think they might be less severe than what I went through. I could've written this about Daddy and I. I couldn't agree more. I know for me love is definately needed too.

SlaveAkasha -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 7:01:51 PM)
I can't answer for Master, but I can answer that I do love him. He tells me he loves me and he shows me he loves me in hundred different ways. I think it is very much possible to love someone and still be their Master/Dom. Kasha

Master2akasha -> RE: Love? (10/29/2006 7:49:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SlaveAkasha I can't answer for Master, but I can answer that I do love him. He tells me he loves me and he shows me he loves me in hundred different ways. I think it is very much possible to love someone and still be their Master/Dom. Kasha I love my slave with all my heart.. even when I use her as a cheap toy she still knows that I love her.

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