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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 4:23:42 PM   
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We are going to have to work on your use of the word true.  I think I have the perfect solution too, cinnamon.

Kyra


and if that does not get her full attention sis..... there is always ginger root.


Well, you know I have heard that a top is not supposed to try anything on a bottom without first trying it on themselves... So I think we should test it on me first  *g*  Of course I think our reactions just might be different.


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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 4:25:37 PM   
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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 6:55:35 PM   
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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 6:59:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Knight....it is my humble opinion that the difference can be just of timing...I have had good scenes and great scenes with the same person...sometimes the repetoir was exactly the same...alas the difference was the audience.   thus in my opinion the timing! 
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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 11:06:20 AM   
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We are going to have to work on your use of the word true.  I think I have the perfect solution too, cinnamon.

Kyra


and if that does not get her full attention sis..... there is always ginger root.


Well, you know I have heard that a top is not supposed to try anything on a bottom without first trying it on themselves... So I think we should test it on me first  *g*  Of course I think our reactions just might be different.


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Differ? I think that is putting it mildly Ms breath spray!!  *g*
*****scratches out the word 'true'**** but  adds in two more names on the sadistic people list.

I highly agree that a Top should try things out on themselve first *eg*

Cinnimon........alandra.... stop helping! lol


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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 11:23:12 AM   
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A little phrase I have been told is...  "the difference between a great pianist and a good pianist is the pause between the notes"

When I think about the play... I wonder what do people think is the difference between great play and good play?

What do you think is between the notes that makes a person create great play as compared to good play?




Speaking as a professional pianist, the difference between a great pianist and a good one is really how you cover your ass.  I think it is the same in play as well.  We all make mistakes from time to time because in reality nobody can be perfect all the time.....just the same as with great pianist, while they may appear so, are never perfect all the time.  The way in which you react to the mistakes is very important.  For a musician, if you allow it to break your concentration, confidence, and the fluency in your performance then you are telling the whole audience that you just made a big blunder.  In play this is also true, however you are relaying this message to the one you are playing with which I think is even more disasterous.

How to react?  In my opinion as if nothing was amiss.  That is not to say that you don't take responsibility for your mistakes and do something about it in the future.  But, I think that in the course of a scene that if the one in control stops to inform their bottom that they just made a mistake and make a big issue of it......well, you have just lost your momentum and might as well stop the scene right then and there.  It also conveys to the bottom, who is the audience in this case, that you do not have confidence in what you are doing and they in turn will loose confidence in you as well.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 11:40:42 AM   
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A little phrase I have been told is...  "the difference between a great pianist and a good pianist is the pause between the notes"

When I think about the play... I wonder what do people think is the difference between great play and good play?

What do you think is between the notes that makes a person create great play as compared to good play?




Thought provoking...*smile
 
i believe it's the energy and chemistry forming between the musician and the instrument.  Is the instrument in finely tuned condition?  Is the musician in touch with his love/passion for the keys?  How well does the musician KNOW his unique instrument?  A great musician will choose, and will "recognize" which is the greatest instrument to release/express his passion and song .  i believe that a great musician reserves his greatness for the right instrument, and will not consider playing on anything but the best.  Diffference between a baby grand and a grand...
 
As for the song, i believe that a great musician knows how to "ad-lib", and "change up" at times on the pause, and the lyrical content, to suit his/her personal expression, and bring out the best that the instrument may afford.  
 
i believe that a great performance depends upon these very same elements of both composition and lyric.  A great musician knows and feels and is able to "intuit",  the flow and dynamic of how the song progresses, (and is progressing) and the difference between how he/she wishes it to progress in the moment of expression.  A great musician knows how to connect and bring an audience to their feet and "move" an audience to either laughter or tears.  By the intensity and flow of softer notes, shrill notes, and the melody that he wishes to create/convey within the given parameters of the song.  A great musician is in sync with what he/she has mastered, because the time has been taken to "experience" the song within.  A great musician, can speak without words, and is never without rhythym, it is just a part of him/her.
 
 

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 4:37:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok.....I just walked in from giving a lesson to a brilliant young piano student, and it had me thinking about this subject again.  This boy has all the natural abilities technically to play the most difficult music written for the instrument.  He also has the desire to always reach further than he has before.  But he also has a few other qualities that dovetail into this thread.  First he has discipline to not settle for just "good enough", but to patiently work out the problems inherent in the music until it has reached perfection.  Second, he has individuality and as such the ability to make that individuality come out in the music so that it is unmistakably his own.  Many the world over can replicate the notes on the page and even the marked dynamics and points of interpretation .  But the trully great Masters are those that are able to extend that concept into adding their own individuality to the point that it is unmistakable to the listener, i.e. Horowitz, Rubinstein, Rachmaninoff, et. al.

So, along with all the other post that have brought out excellent points and analogies to performing music, I would also add discipline to continually seek perfection in a Dominant's style and individuality in the delivery of that style.   Just as ExSteele mentioned, it also takes decades to get to this point and is a never ending process.  Great Dominants, like great Pianist are always students of their art and never cease to learn.  There are so many more analogies that could be made, but I will stop here since I am quite sure that nobody here is interested in my waxing poetic from the almost 40 years of performance on the piano and the myriads of analogies I could make........LOL

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 5:32:30 PM   
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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 6:01:28 PM   
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Hello A/all,

I suppose the easiest way I can describe it, which is true for me, but may not be true for anybody else, is similar to paddling a surfboard or a boat through choppy surf.  There is a wavelength and energy flow which I am not in control of.  What I am in control of is how I interact with this energy flow. To me, true mastery does not involve fighting or conquering the energy.  True mastery involves finding that energy and using it for my own purposes.

When I put the one I am playing with on the St. Andrews Cross, when I ask the one I am with to post idiotic posts here, when I shout her down and then ask her to finish her sentence, there is an energy that I am seeking to get both her and myself into synergy with.  I do not feel I am in control of that energy, and I never had.  What I try to control is how we interact with that. 

Clear as mud?

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 6:09:02 PM   
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... never sliding into intense pain. 

... but knowing when to pull out before she panics. 


We are not singing from the same hymnal here.

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... taking someone to their edge and appearing like you won't stop but stopping just at the right time for them.


So it is all about the subbie? What counts as great for you is meeting her needs exactly? Nothing wrong with that I guess.

Some of us stop when we're sated.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/31/2006 6:44:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for everyone that took the time to post to the OP.  Obviously with a quesiton like this their is not right or wrong answer just different ones.

I thought I should share my own thoughts on what is between the notes as well.  

For me the play.. be it BDSM or sex is Great when it is about Uninhibited Passion to Gratify oneself with a Connected partner(s)

... I see the very best of plays occur when  the persons in the play uninhibit themselves in seeking deep physical gratifications for themselves.   I have a fundamental mindset when I play... it is a deep seeded passion to gratify myself within the play.  The outside world doesn't exist for me... in fact.. I am somewhat lost outside of 10 or so feet from my presence.  My focus.. My passion is to selfishly please my physical being with the person(s) that I am playing with.  That is not to say that I am not unaware of the state or pleasure of the person I am playing with.. but I am not playing them for their pleasure .. I am there for me!  The thing to consider is that we each gain that pleasure differently.  As a sadist... I instill alot of pain within my play and as such the best partners for me would be those that unihibit themselves in enjoying the pain that pleases them.  I would expected my connected partner to greedly want to feel the pain for their pleasure as much as I would to inflict it for mine.



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