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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:35:12 AM

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Most theorists will jump through hoops and bend over backwards to avoid the awful truth that their government did not have something to do with the destruction of the WTC and Pentagon.

I guess the TURRRRRRISTS put Thermate residue on all those 6 inch thick steel beams after they flew into the towers.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:38:58 AM

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Yeah, obviously they did little-to-nothing in order to stop it.

Nope they sure didn't.

In fact..they knew at least a YEAR in advance.

Plenty of time for people to place the explosives where they would be the most effective.

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"Here's what I do know first hand - I know that about eleven months to a year before 9/11 ever happened I was talking to my Rockefeller friend (Nicholas Rockefeller) and he said to me 'Aaron there's gonna be an event' and he never told me what the event was going to be - I'm not sure he knew what the event was going to be I don't know that he knew that," said Russo.

"He just said there's gonna be an event and out of that event we're gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order and we're going to go after Venezuela - that's what's going to come out of this event."

"Eleven months to a year later that's what happened....he certainly knew that something was going to happen."

What Nickolas Rockefeller knew about 9-11

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/281006rockefellerpredicted.htm

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:41:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Who gives a CRAP what Matt Taibii says.

The most FAR out thing to me...is how 3 Steel frame buildings (One that wasn't even hit by a plane) collapsed on Sept. 11th due to "fire".

What a bunch of crap.

Hello A/all,

Popular Mechanics a year or two ago had an issue devoted to "Debunking 9/11 Myths"

The World Trade Center, taking the example given by this poster, was a concrete building with steel reinforcing. The general claim by 9/11 conspiracy theorists is that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, not to mention paper and wood or whatever. This is true. Jet fuel and paper burning will not melt steel reinforcing.

What it will do is heat the steel reinforcing to about 1/2 of it's melting temperature, where it loses a significant percentage of it's strength. At which point, the concrete is subjected to various stresses including gravity, wind forces, etc.
The buildings then pancaked in the same manner that buildings are destroyed because an already weakened framed building had the floors above other floors collapse downward. Gravity pulls toward the center of the earth's mass, and it is natural for tall buildings to collapse this way.

Popular Mechanics went in to each of the disasters on 9/11, and pointed out how they all could have happened without a conspiracy theory, base charges in the buildings hit, Santa Clause, etc. Believe what you read on the internet, or not, it doesnt really matter to me, but the events of the day are easily born out by basic physics principles, architectural engineering, aeronautical engineering, etc.

On the other hand, I personally would not be overly surprised to discover that Monkeyboy called his Daddy's friends in Al Qaeda and asked them to blow up the buildings. This is not technically a "conspiracy" involving the Rotarians or the Masons or the Boy Scouts of America.

As far as cell based terrorist structures, each individual cell knows very little about what other cells are doing. One cannot spill the beans on things one does not know.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:43:17 AM

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Wrong, I'm watching them!

Sissify has better eyes.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:44:04 AM

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Welcome back Real0ne!

When you turned tail and fled earlier this spring after agreeing to the challenge in this post, I was worried that some sort of accident or illness had befallen you. I'm glad to see you're "ok." I'm sure twicehappy will be glad to see you as well

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:44:09 AM

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Well, you were heading the right direction until you decided the sidewalk was a better place to drive.

"They" being the intelligence reports, yes, you are correct. However, any kind of action on the part of the senior administration was due to incompetence, not plot.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:44:47 AM

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Sinergy...you can't take into account building 7.

It WASN'T hit by an airplane and collapsed with a classic crimp...or wedge down the center of the building.

It fell IN on itself with classic demolition efficiency and didn't harm either of the buildings on both sides of it.

Just a nice neat little pile.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:52:49 AM

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Thanks, Sin. Glad I have another science geek in the forums.

As far as "cells", however...

I have a problem with even using that kind of vocabulary to describe a "terrorist group" or even a lone nut. To call someone a "cell" implies that they have direct ties to an organization (in this case Al-Qaeda). What the term doesn't address is separate groups or individuals with similar ideology, but without any kind of ties formal or no to each other. For example, all white supremacists think the same beliefs; however, they are not all in cahoots with each other.

I personally even wonder about the true effectiveness of "sleeper cell" tactics. Sure, it might work now and again, but remember kamikazes? Even though they managed to sink 40 US Naval ships during WWII, strategically speaking they were a miserable failure.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:52:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paradoxy

Yeah, obviously they did little-to-nothing in order to stop it.

Nope they sure didn't.

In fact..they knew at least a YEAR in advance.

Plenty of time for people to place the explosives where they would be the most effective.

"
"Here's what I do know first hand - I know that about eleven months to a year before 9/11 ever happened I was talking to my Rockefeller friend (Nicholas Rockefeller) and he said to me 'Aaron there's gonna be an event' and he never told me what the event was going to be - I'm not sure he knew what the event was going to be I don't know that he knew that," said Russo.

"He just said there's gonna be an event and out of that event we're gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order and we're going to go after Venezuela - that's what's going to come out of this event."

"Eleven months to a year later that's what happened....he certainly knew that something was going to happen."

What Nickolas Rockefeller knew about 9-11

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/281006rockefellerpredicted.htm

Sisify, and if this is true maybe we need to start rounding up wealthy people and putting them into GTMO.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:54:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
The buildings then pancaked in the same manner that buildings are destroyed because an already weakened framed building had the floors above other floors collapse downward.

the events of the day are easily born out by basic physics principles, architectural engineering, aeronautical engineering, etc.

The towers pancaked in free fall. That is impossible unless each subsequent lower floor is detached by explosives before the upper floors fall down upon it.
Also: if pancaking, the core and the outer hull should have remained standing.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 9:56:22 AM

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I simply see it as this way...

WHO BENEFITS?

Some people in a cave....?

Or Defense contractors , oil companies, big banks, internationalists, and crooked politicians?

If (former constitutionalist candidate for president 04') Aaron Russo is lying..Im sure Nicolas Rockefeller would be suing him for libel...so
its up to you who's story you want to believe.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:04:54 AM

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Qui Bono.

***

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15426390/

Exxon posts second-biggest profit ever
Second-largest quarterly gain ever posted by public company

Updated: 4:43 p.m. ET Oct 26, 2006

DALLAS - Oil industry behemoth Exxon Mobil’s earnings rose to $10.49 billion in the third quarter, the second-largest quarterly profit ever recorded by a publicly traded U.S. company. Its share price briefly rose to a 52-week high

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:08:56 AM

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Qui Bono.

The same goons who ran smack in Vietnam are at it again Since the "invasion" began.

Air America revisited?

http://opioids.com/afghanistan/bumper-harvest.html

Post-Invasion Chaos
Blamed for Drug Surge

Afghanistan's opium poppy crop is at a record level.

Trafficking and use are rising in Iraq.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:12:31 AM

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Welcome back Real0ne!

i am not back, i am only here for this thread then i am gone. i found all this data incredibly interesting and wanted to share it with others.

fyi: i was requested by a mutual friend not to respond to "this post".

have a nice day.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:17:54 AM

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Much of what Alexandra Robbins disingenuously dismisses as legend in her book "Secrets of the Tomb" is verifiable fact, and much else is very probably fact, based on what can be determined from available evidence. Skull and Bones founder William H. Russell did indeed come from a wealthy opium-empire family. He did found S&B at Yale University after spending 1831-32 studying in Germany. From S&B�s own documents, it seems that The Order may be but a U.S. chapter of a German secret society. And it is quite possible that the German society was (is) directly connected to the infamous Order of the Illuminati, which was founded in Germany in 1776.

The same secret organization President George W. Bush belongs to.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/03-08-2004/bonesmen.htm

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:18:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Qui Bono.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15426390/

Exxon posts second-biggest profit ever
Second-largest quarterly gain ever posted by public company

Updated: 4:43 p.m. ET Oct 26, 2006

DALLAS - Oil industry behemoth Exxon Mobil’s earnings rose to $10.49 billion in the third quarter, the second-largest quarterly profit ever recorded by a publicly traded U.S. company. Its share price briefly rose to a 52-week high

And not just Exon but Shell/Texaco is making money hand over fist!
Iraq is an Exon/Mobil war but (they) want all of US to pay for it!

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:24:13 AM

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THE DEADLY PIPELINE WAR:
U.S. AFGHAN POLICY DRIVEN BY OIL INTERESTS

Professor Marjorie Cohn
Thomas Jefferson School of Law
JURIST Contributing Editor

George W. Bush justifies his bombing of Afghanistan as a war against terror. A twin motive, however, is to make Afghanistan safe for United States oil interests.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew41.php

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:34:44 AM

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Most theorists will jump through hoops and bend over backwards to avoid the awful truth that their government did not have something to do with the destruction of the WTC and Pentagon.

Even when the proof is there and obvious.

i do not recal any kind of fuel that burns like this do you?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11

Note: wtc 2 falls immediately after the supposed gobs of burning "fuel", (that coincidentally is burning exactly at a floor support), pours over the side of the building.

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:44:27 AM

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Those on the flight? Who? There is no credible evidence at all that anybody was aboard those four flying objects.

Hello A/all,

I was with a flight attendant for a few years who was close friends with the family of one of the flight attendants who died on the plane which hit WTC 2.

The airport crew saw her board the plane, saw the plane take off, saw it hit the building. There were no reported sightings of the plane landing to let all the people off. Nobody found a parachute from all the people who jumped off the plane mid-flight.

What exactly constitutes "credible evidence" in your mind?

Sinergy

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RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? - 10/29/2006 10:49:52 AM

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i do not recal any kind of fuel that burns like this do you?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11

Note: wtc 2 falls immediately after the supposed gobs of burning "fuel", (that coincidentally is burning exactly at a floor support), pours over the side of the building.

Yup...and that is the exact ppoint where the top of the building shifted over when the demolition sequence started.

But..you know....there were no explosions...right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I

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