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missturbation -> Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 1:30:48 PM)
Whilst reading a book called Mary Mary by James Patterson i became curious about some comments made by the author on female serial killers. He claimed that only one female serial had used a gun in their crimes and that there had never been a female killer whos method was stabbing. I decided to see if i could do some research on the difference between male and female serial killers and i have. I am in no way saying what i have found is 100% correct but i can back up all sources of information if anyone wants me too. My findings were as follows :- On average it takes four years to catch a male serial killer and eight years to catch a female serial killer. 15% of all violent crime is commited by females. There has been a 140% increase in female violent crimes since 1970. Females are twice as likely as males to kill a partner, child or other family member. Only 1 in 69 prisoners on death row are female. I then looked for details of murders commited by serial killers both female and male to see what links and differences i could find. (I think i have too much time on my hands lol). I found 61 female and 160 male serial killers listed worldwide. According to my findings the amount of murders commited to class someone as a serial killer varies between 3 and 5. Mass murder (more than 1 person killed at the same time) is not classed as serial killing. Also according to a book by Brian Lane there are only seven motives for murder. These are:- Gain, jealousy, revenge, elimination, lust, conviction and thrill. I won't go into what falls into what category as i think its pretty self explanatory but if you want to know just ask. The following is a male / female comparison of motive and method used:-* Method Female Male Arson ---------- 2% Shooting 2% 16% Stabbing ---------- 19% Bludgeon ---------- 19% Strangle 4% 12% Starvation ---------- 1% Axe ---------- 4% Biting ---------- 2% Drowning 7% 3% Derail trains ---------- 1% Poison 54% 5% Pills ----------- 2% Electrocuted ----------- 1% Suffocation 16% 3% Injection 13% 3% Motive Female Male Gain 35% 15% Jealousy 16% ------- Revenge 16% 4% Elimination 2% 3% Lust ------ 35% Conviction 18% 17% Thrill 5% 12% No apparent motive 19% 14% With an accomplice 28% 15% Knew victim 54% 12% (In cases of serial killings with an accomplice in general the accomplice was male). What i'm left wondering from all this is things like :- Why does there appear to be no female serial killer who has used a knife? Why do male serial killers appear to favour strangulation and females poisoning? Why do male serial killers appear to mainly kill for lust and females for gain? Why women favour victims they know? Why do men not kill in jealousy? Probably loads of other things as well but just curious what you all think?

TrueCalling -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 1:45:21 PM)
No female serial killer that has used a knife and eventually gotten caught! I think for a female it is a little too messy and gory. Fatal is a book by Harold Schechter about a turn of the century female sexual killer...I never did get very far in the reading of it but you may want to check it out. He also writes about male serial killers... Deranged...Depraved....Bestial are but three of the titles. cc

kc692 -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 1:47:19 PM)
Maybe the knife has a more physical aspect and in that sense can be turned around, and the poison is more mentally based? Also, lust killings tend to be more spur of the moment, poison takes planning and true persistence?

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 1:55:43 PM)
True calling - Out of 61 female serial killers listed not one fell into the category of lust which covers sexually motivated killing (rape) as the top motive. This is supposably because it is much harder for a woman to rape a man than the other way round. So when you say sexual killer do you mean she raped her victims or had consensual sex then killed them? Knives are gory but surely so is bludgeoning and 4% of female serial killers chose that option! Kc692 -Maybe the knife has a more physical aspect and in that sense can be turned around, and the poison is more mentally based? I'm not sure i understand what you mean by this. Also, lust killings tend to be more spur of the moment, poison takes planning and true persistence? I definately agree with this although sometimes lust killers have stalked their prey for a long time.

NorthernGent -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 1:56:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Why does there appear to be no female serial killer who has used a knife? Using a knife requires physical strength and there's a chance the female serial killer will be over-powered? Why do male serial killers appear to favour strangulation and females poisoning? Male strangulation = sexual satisfaction, female poisoning = requires no physical strength? Why do male serial killers appear to mainly kill for lust and females for gain? Male serial killers take sexual satisfaction from rape/murder, females do not which means when they kill they kill for gain? Why women favour victims they know? Because they kill for gain they kill family members for inheritance? Why do men not kill in jealousy? They must do?

cuddleheart50 -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 1:58:25 PM)
NG, I think you know way to much about serial killers...LOL

sissifytoserve -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 1:59:59 PM)
No female knife killers attackers? I have 2 words for you. Lorenna Bobbitt.

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:02:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve No female knife killers attackers? I have 2 words for you. Lorenna Bobbitt. Lorenna bobbitt is not a serial killer which is what this post is about if you had read it properly.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:03:20 PM)
That could have very well have been her intention to kill him. He could have bled to death (although deservedly) Im just suprised there was no female knife serial killers.

NorthernGent -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:06:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50 NG, I think you know way to much about serial killers...LOL lol cuddle, I tend to think of myself as a serial killer with a difference, more of a mercy serial killer. If someone has had enough of life then I take them by the hand and walk them into the sea or if the Government is coming for someone I fake their deaths, forge a few passports/ID documents etc. It's all done with a touch of class [:D]

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:08:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Why does there appear to be no female serial killer who has used a knife? Using a knife requires physical strength and there's a chance the female serial killer will be over-powered? Surely strangulation, suffocation need strength and females have used these methods? Why do male serial killers appear to favour strangulation and females poisoning? Male strangulation = sexual satisfaction, female poisoning = requires no physical strength? Male strangulation doesnt seem to always point to sexual satisfaction but certainly in a lot of cases yes. Poisoning and strength - maybe but i was thinking more along the lines of maybe them thinking the cause of death may appear natural if poison cudnt be or wasnt traced. Why do male serial killers appear to mainly kill for lust and females for gain? Male serial killers take sexual satisfaction from rape/murder, females do not which means when they kill they kill for gain? But why don't women seem to kill for sexual satisfaction? Why women favour victims they know? Because they kill for gain they kill family members for inheritance? Even when they appear to gain nothing it is usually a known victim. Why do men not kill in jealousy? They must do? I didnt find one male serial killer who had killed through jealousy - thats not to say there isnt any but you would think out of 160 i found one would have done? I was hoping you'd post in this [:D]

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:10:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve That could have very well have been her intention to kill him. He could have bled to death (although deservedly) Im just suprised there was no female knife serial killers. it may have been her intention but she didnt. i was surprised too and maybe there are some and i just havent found them. There have certainly been murderesses who have killed by knife but only one off killings not serial killers.

kc692 -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:24:45 PM)
What I meant with my hasty reply, was that the female may have a struggle with a knife and might possibly physically lose, especially if the victim is larger. Poison also has less chance of physical retribution/retaliation.I must confess, those words I wrote earlier were off the cuff first thoughts. I should have been clearer.

NorthernGent -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:28:10 PM)
I have a sneaking suspicion this could go for while [:)] There must be a resident psychology student on the board who can give a good insight. I'm about to get massively out my depth but I'll offer a view for what it's worth. quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Why does there appear to be no female serial killer who has used a knife? Using a knife requires physical strength and there's a chance the female serial killer will be over-powered? Surely strangulation, suffocation need strength and females have used these methods? What age have the victims been? Possibly towards the end of their lives and relatively weak? I'm not for one second saying that it is impossible for a woman to overpower a man. More the case that the safe bet for the woman would be to avoid a physical struggle. Why do male serial killers appear to favour strangulation and females poisoning? Male strangulation = sexual satisfaction, female poisoning = requires no physical strength? Male strangulation doesnt seem to always point to sexual satisfaction but certainly in a lot of cases yes. Poisoning and strength - maybe but i was thinking more along the lines of maybe them thinking the cause of death may appear natural if poison cudnt be or wasnt traced. Sounds a fair enough point of view, poison is less obvious than bruising etc. Why do male serial killers appear to mainly kill for lust and females for gain? Male serial killers take sexual satisfaction from rape/murder, females do not which means when they kill they kill for gain? But why don't women seem to kill for sexual satisfaction? I would hazard a guess that this is genetic and women aren't wired that way. For futher details, see anyone except me [:)] Why women favour victims they know? Because they kill for gain they kill family members for inheritance? Even when they appear to gain nothing it is usually a known victim. There is always a motive and what motive other than sexual gratification leads a person to kill a stranger? Why do men not kill in jealousy? They must do? I didnt find one male serial killer who had killed through jealousy - thats not to say there isnt any but you would think out of 160 i found one would have done? Jealousy is personal isn't it i.e. personal to the victim of your jealousy - once he's out of the way then the motivation to kill is gone, hence no serial killings. I was hoping you'd post in this [:D] [:)] I once went through a Jack The Ripper phase, did quite a bit of reading around it until I realised the killer was no more than a non-descript bloke who's mind had gone. Sort of took the romance away for me [:)]

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:29:12 PM)
No worries i get what you mean now. [:D]

MsVictoriaPayne -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:38:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation What i'm left wondering from all this is things like :- Why does there appear to be no female serial killer who has used a knife? Why do male serial killers appear to favour strangulation and females poisoning? Why do male serial killers appear to mainly kill for lust and females for gain? Why women favour victims they know? Why do men not kill in jealousy? Probably loads of other things as well but just curious what you all think? Not that I'm an expert... however... Females in general will not use a knife, because .. 1. It is too messy/gory 2. Using a knife is a very personal way to kill someone because you have to get very close to do it and you'd have to be able to overpower that person (usually the victim is the male half or a spouse or a known male. 3. Using a knife to actually kill someone is a sign of rage = crime of passion, and disorganization = weapon found handy. Women who commit multiple murders are normally, methodic and plan ahead. Females who commit multiple murders will try to poison their victims because they don't want the mess of cleaning up, (too risky and gory) and they feel it's a very humane way to kill someone (emotional connectedness) and of course, it's harder to trace than the a "traditional" murder weapon. Males use strangulation because it is very personal and very satisfying not only sexually, but it's mentally empowering = God like status. Males generally don't kill in a multiple murder setting for jealousy, because they don't establish a relationship with their victims in the sense that their female counterparts do. Most male serial killers who kill for lust usually begin in a very disorganized manner and develop the skills to pre plan to feed their rage. It becomes very personal for them. Use of a knife in a homocide, is usually indicitive that the victim knew their killer, more than likely a crime of passion since the weapon is a weapon of convenience (everybody has knives) and of course depending on the number of stab wounds, it will tell you how personal the attack was. Of course, there are several exceptions.

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 2:52:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I have a sneaking suspicion this could go for while [:)] There must be a resident psychology student on the board who can give a good insight. I'm about to get massively out my depth but I'll offer a view for what it's worth. My view lol follows...... quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Why does there appear to be no female serial killer who has used a knife? Using a knife requires physical strength and there's a chance the female serial killer will be over-powered? Surely strangulation, suffocation need strength and females have used these methods? What age have the victims been? Possibly towards the end of their lives and relatively weak? I'm not for one second saying that it is impossible for a woman to overpower a man. More the case that the safe bet for the woman would be to avoid a physical struggle. Varying ages. I agree avoiding a physical struggle has to be a factor. Why do male serial killers appear to favour strangulation and females poisoning? Male strangulation = sexual satisfaction, female poisoning = requires no physical strength? Male strangulation doesnt seem to always point to sexual satisfaction but certainly in a lot of cases yes. Poisoning and strength - maybe but i was thinking more along the lines of maybe them thinking the cause of death may appear natural if poison cudnt be or wasnt traced. Sounds a fair enough point of view, poison is less obvious than bruising etc. Why do male serial killers appear to mainly kill for lust and females for gain? Male serial killers take sexual satisfaction from rape/murder, females do not which means when they kill they kill for gain? But why don't women seem to kill for sexual satisfaction? I would hazard a guess that this is genetic and women aren't wired that way. For futher details, see anyone except me [:)] I think women are wired that way or some are. Why women favour victims they know? Because they kill for gain they kill family members for inheritance? Even when they appear to gain nothing it is usually a known victim. There is always a motive and what motive other than sexual gratification leads a person to kill a stranger? There are plenty of other motives to kill a stranger, gain, conviction, elimination, thrill. There may always be a motive but sometimes no motive is apparent. Why do men not kill in jealousy? They must do? I didnt find one male serial killer who had killed through jealousy - thats not to say there isnt any but you would think out of 160 i found one would have done? Jealousy is personal isn't it i.e. personal to the victim of your jealousy - once he's out of the way then the motivation to kill is gone, hence no serial killings. Now jealousy is not necessarily a one of killing. What if as in some cases i read the killer is jealous of several people so picks them off one by one. I was hoping you'd post in this [:D] [:)] I once went through a Jack The Ripper phase, did quite a bit of reading around it until I realised the killer was no more than a non-descript bloke who's mind had gone. Sort of took the romance away for me [:)] I was never much interested in one of cases but this as a whole male / female comparison has sparked my intrigue.

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 3:00:03 PM)
From what i've read women are most often associated with crimes of passion but as they are usually a one off obviously they do not get mentioned in serial killer listings. Knives are quite often used in the crime of passion as are guns. My curiosity is why a one off female killer will use a knife but not a serial killing female. Gore is caused by bludgeoning too but 4% chose that method in serial killings. Most female serial killers choose victims they know so a knife as a personal weapon would seem to fit these crimes but doesnt.

thrall2Freyja -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 3:06:34 PM)
A knife is not a knife to some male serial killers. I expect if you checked it, you would find that males killing with knives usually stab rather than slash, and will choose victims of the sex to which they are attracted. Nuff said?

missturbation -> RE: Whats in a killing? (10/29/2006 3:10:52 PM)
Actually quite a few male lust killers use the knife to mutilate. They definately slash as well as stab. As for if i check - ive spent nearly three weeks researching this for hours on end lol. So no i dont think nuff said.

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