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Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/30/2006 3:28:04 PM

LadyEllen

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A question about menstrual cycles, arising from something I've observed about me!
Would be interested to know from XX ladies and especially M2F TS ladies on hormonal treatments, about cycles.

As would seem obvious (perhaps), I should not have a cycle, seeing as how I am on HRT, the same quantities every day, and definitely cannot have a period.... period. However, looking back through here and through RL records, it would seem I must have something going on, because roughly every 2-3 weeks, I am going down, down, down for a week, before bouncing back up. I've read that XX ladies' cycles can be anything from 23 to 35 days, rather than the 14 to 21 that I seem to be experiencing with this up and down stuff, but the psychological/ emotional symptoms are in common.

A TS acquaintance of mine a few years back, swore blind she had the same experience. At the time I thought that was plain daft, but now I'm not so sure. I've been on HRT for the last four and a half years btw.

Any ideas / thoughts?
E

PS - and sorry for the whining last week OK? I hope this way to find out when I should maybe simply stay off the boards for everyone's good - like for instance w/c 13th November!

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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 2:21:00 AM

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I have a cycle - made by Dawes in the 80s. It goes down hills and then comes up the other side, and I ride it every Sunday and get a great psychological buzz from it. Is that what you mean?

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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 5:11:44 AM

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I write a book about the cause of chronical diseases. One chapter is dedicated to psoriasis. In one case the recurrence of the psoriasis was linked to the menstrual cycle. This woman was castrated to stop the recurrences. Curiously, despite being castrated, the recurrences kept to the monthly cycle. From this I concluded that the menstrual cycle is directed from the brains, just like the production of many other hormones is.

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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 6:34:36 AM

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Thanks Rule. I also found this on a wesbite;
"If a progestogen is used with the oestrogen, mood swings similar to pre menstrual tension (PMT) may occur. Not all transsexual women are given a progestogen as this is given to help mimic the hormonal cycle experienced by women but not all wish to have this effect."

My HRT doesnt contain progestogen (progesterone?), but I did have some problems a while back with high levels of it in my blood tests as the gland that produces it (pituitary I think) was putting loads of it out, and the HRT had to stop a while to check it wasnt a tumour or something on the gland, which also gives high levels in blood tests. That would seem to back up the idea of the glands/brain being the ultimate source, regardless of biology.

Oh well, conclusion seems to be Im entitled to be pissy every now and then.
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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 8:16:26 AM

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It has been nearly a year since I last worked on my book, so I have forgotten most of my knowledge about the hormones, but I do recall that males do produce some of the female hormones at half of the concentration. I suspect that progesterone is one of those hormones. I tried to look it up in one of my books, but cannot find what I was looking for.

Your progesterone levels are interesting. Was it in response to the HRT? Or was it innate? If the latter, how does it relate to your female identity? Is either phenomenon a consequence of the other, or do they reinforce each other? Just rhetorical questions that I pose myself.

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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 8:55:12 AM

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Hi Rule

When the high P readings came through, the explanations were either a tumour or the effect of the HRT. We stopped the HRT (but continued with androgen suppressent) for two weeks and took another test, which showed normal, indicating we hope, that the HRT was causing it, rather than a tumour. I have no record of blood tests prior to HRT with which to compare unfortunately, though the Charing Cross clinic took one at my first appointment there - I would guess to establish normality and identify anything else going on that was not apparent, including whether or not I was taking HRT on the black market, which they are very aware of as a factor in treatment. As usual in the UK though, I was never privy to the results!

It would be interesting to establish all this though, as even before HRT I had some female features - notably lack of musculature, lack of body hair (esp on the chest!), lack of what I call "man smell" (sorry!), very female hair (according to three hairdressers at least), and to my mind at least an at best neutral facial bone structure which of course is very handy for passing as female now. Even my voice therapist told me that doing a male voice was damaging my voice box as I was clearly trying to speak too low for its structure.

I get shouted down when I suggest that there may be two types of m2f TS people, but its something I've observed; type 1 are like me, they have female/neutral appearance to start with and pass easily, whilst type 2 are those with just as strong conviction about their identity, but who have the full male appearance and have problems. I am very interested in why this would be, as to my mind it can only be something hormonal that results in a lack of or hindrance to the normal changes which boys go through at puberty which makes them into men. Sure, I had the most basic developments of male puberty, but a lot seemed to pass me by - for which I'm grateful. Meanwhile my younger brothers (all adult) are definitely men - theyre bigger than me all over, and have the features I lacked, whilst I seem to be some sort of inbetweenie between them and my sisters.

In addition to those physical differences, I was also always a girl in my behaviour etc. I didnt play with Barbie or dress up or anything, but there was a marked difference between me and my brothers right from the start. They'd be doing boy things and I wouldnt. My dad called me Mary to try to prompt me into changing my ways through ridicule - you get the idea!?

Its all fascinating stuff - any thoughts?

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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 9:06:21 AM

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Sometimes you have to be who you are to the best of your abilities - just because your circumstances aren't in the "norm" doesn't make you abnormal. It just makes you different and since all of us are different, doesn't that, in turn, make you normal?

You are honest about who you are, what you've been through, and where you are going - I wish more people had your attitude.

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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 9:11:56 AM

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Thanks TGD - I wish more people had your attitude, too! Honesty is always my downfall though.....
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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 9:29:30 AM

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Yes, I get the idea.

No, I do not have any thoughts.

Yes, one of the hormones seems to have been in short supply during your childhood - perhaps testosterone or adrenalin.

Your observations on the two types of m2f TS persons is interesting.

I am not muscular nor very manly either and I suspect that is due to lack of adrenalin as a consequence of my death in childhood.

This lack of adrenalin hypothetically may contribute to the severity of your arthritis.

I am interested in these phenomena and appreciate the information that you have supplied.

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RE: Strange question for TS and XX Ladies - 10/31/2006 9:29:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Thanks TGD - I wish more people had your attitude, too! Honesty is always my downfall though.....
E

I live by the rule that no matter how much I'd hope everyone would like me, it's not going to happen - I can waste valuable time trying to get everyone to like me, but there has got to be a better use of my time.

There may be good reason why some don't like me and that I have to accept and there are others that don't have any good reason to dislike me and therefore it's not worth my effort to care.

What I do know is that you have to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves to be completely unworthy of your time and effort and then move on. The key is to not completely shut the door as people change all the time and someone who wasn't nice before may change or do something profound that makes them worthy again.

I've gotten upset with a few people in these forums - some I don't think will ever change and I will probably have to write off permanently and others that I've had "words" with in the past are people I get along with better now.

If you like yourself, then you are 3/4 of the way to being happy. (I think the other 1/4 is chocolate ;-)

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