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RE: Hunger in America - 11/1/2006 2:19:25 PM   
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I understand people want to help others out where they can.

However, handouts are to the homeless what a bowl of rice is to the starving in Africa. Both groups need incentive and opportunity which in turn needs public and political will to redress the balance in society. If you want a fair society then elect the politicians who can deliver. Otherwise, forget it as you'll always be fighting the inevitable.

As said, I understand that a meal and clothing is far better than nothing and in many ways people are caught between a rock and a hard place. However, I feel this is one area where it is cruel to be kind and what we need is serious pressure on our Governments (and our wider society) to get a grip on the state of homelessness in both of our countries.



I think we all agree that charity is only a bandaid to the problem.  And you're right in that it is a political issue.  However, I am only one person. While I vote for the politicians I feel will bring about change, everyone has different priorities and there are others in this country (as evidenced by another post on this thread) that deny the problem truly exists.  Until the majority elect those politicians and pressure the government to address these issues, it is only human to help those on the losing end of the stick.  The poor in this country don't have a voice.

The homeless in this country, from what I've personally seen, get a lot more help and attention than the working poor.  The homeless are much more visibile than the working poor.  That isn't to say the homeless are living well, cause that would just be silly to even suggest.  But, this thread is more aimed at the working poor - a group often forgotten.



A point well made and I don't disagree with you personally. My disagreement is with the concept that private charity is better equipped than Government to tackle poverty (an argument offered many times on this board). I agree that it is right to offer a helping hand but, as said, private charity is not an adequate substitute for Government responsibility. I take your point that you're not suggesting this.

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/1/2006 3:44:19 PM   
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The working poor are starving?

Sounds like they aren't working a very good job nor keeping a budget. Do you buy a 99 cent burger or half a gallon of gas? Becoming a waiter or a cook couldn't be a worse job than what they have now. Same amount of pay and free food from time to time. That's all they need to do. I worked for Pizza Hut and a Panda Express when I was a poor starving college student. I also went to church for free/cheap food events. When I noticed left overs, I voluntered to take the food off there hands. When I was a CNA for a hospital, we always had patients who died or checked out early meaning that extra food trays were left over.

I"ve been poor and grew up poor, but I've always had a nack for finding food. I've mastered the art of scounging change. In High School, I worked in a Chicken and Dumpling dinner where I brought home fried chicken to my family three or four times a week. Hell, there have been times that I went from store to store just to eat free samples. When friends went out to eat, I would go just to eat crackers and drink water. One time at IHOP, there was a drunk group who left and untouched burger. Yummie.

The bottom line is that the food is out there for anyone and everyone to eat. You just have to be patient and find it. Keep working and scrounging, the food will come.  

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/1/2006 4:12:18 PM   
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There would have been no food at the free/cheap food event at the churches if people did not donate it.

Why did other people donate it? because they know there are people going hungry without their kind donation.

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/1/2006 9:32:40 PM   
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The working poor are starving?

Sounds like they aren't working a very good job nor keeping a budget. Do you buy a 99 cent burger or half a gallon of gas? Becoming a waiter or a cook couldn't be a worse job than what they have now. Same amount of pay and free food from time to time. That's all they need to do. I worked for Pizza Hut and a Panda Express when I was a poor starving college student. I also went to church for free/cheap food events. When I noticed left overs, I voluntered to take the food off there hands. When I was a CNA for a hospital, we always had patients who died or checked out early meaning that extra food trays were left over.

I"ve been poor and grew up poor, but I've always had a nack for finding food. I've mastered the art of scounging change. In High School, I worked in a Chicken and Dumpling dinner where I brought home fried chicken to my family three or four times a week. Hell, there have been times that I went from store to store just to eat free samples. When friends went out to eat, I would go just to eat crackers and drink water. One time at IHOP, there was a drunk group who left and untouched burger. Yummie.

The bottom line is that the food is out there for anyone and everyone to eat. You just have to be patient and find it. Keep working and scrounging, the food will come.  


Fangs, LMAO!

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/1/2006 9:46:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

The working poor are starving?

Sounds like they aren't working a very good job nor keeping a budget. Do you buy a 99 cent burger or half a gallon of gas? Becoming a waiter or a cook couldn't be a worse job than what they have now. Same amount of pay and free food from time to time. That's all they need to do. I worked for Pizza Hut and a Panda Express when I was a poor starving college student. I also went to church for free/cheap food events. When I noticed left overs, I voluntered to take the food off there hands. When I was a CNA for a hospital, we always had patients who died or checked out early meaning that extra food trays were left over.

I"ve been poor and grew up poor, but I've always had a nack for finding food. I've mastered the art of scounging change. In High School, I worked in a Chicken and Dumpling dinner where I brought home fried chicken to my family three or four times a week. Hell, there have been times that I went from store to store just to eat free samples. When friends went out to eat, I would go just to eat crackers and drink water. One time at IHOP, there was a drunk group who left and untouched burger. Yummie.

The bottom line is that the food is out there for anyone and everyone to eat. You just have to be patient and find it. Keep working and scrounging, the food will come.  


Try supporting children on that wage

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/2/2006 1:40:37 AM   
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That's what food stamps and CPS are for. But where's the responsibility? If you can't afford to feed a kid, then why the hell would you have one?

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/2/2006 1:44:34 AM   
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There would have been no food at the free/cheap food event at the churches if people did not donate it.

Why did other people donate it? because they know there are people going hungry without their kind donation.


Remember that this is not an act of generosity but only a way to suck people into church. The Student Organization knew that the College Cafe was closed on Sunday Evening and decided to take advantage of starving college students. 

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/2/2006 4:21:39 AM   
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YES YES YES...... It is great to read this thread, we aren't freak people with whips around. Maybe we are wierd to some, but we are people and have feelings. And we care about our community. The people and the enviroment.

However, this qoute maby inappropiate but I'll write it down anyway.

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The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity!


**sigh** Many people DIE as a result of hunger. I wish people stop fighting and have a life, and let others have the chance to live one.

< Message edited by Master96 -- 11/2/2006 4:26:06 AM >


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RE: Hunger in America - 11/2/2006 4:55:45 AM   
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I give plenty of chances and donations. I don't like kicking anyone, especially when they're down. However, some people need to be kicked back up. Divorce, death, and being laid off can change alot of things in a persons and or  families life.

I only hate seeing poverty and starvation as a life style that some just accept and beocome accustome to. In twenty years from now, I'm willing to bet that you'll still hear a few people say "I"m a Katrina Victim and FEMA took away my camper. Do you have a place I can stay?"

There's a time when ones problems should be resolved. Any begging after the cut off date is only a sign of being lazy.



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RE: Hunger in America - 11/2/2006 9:23:23 AM   
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There are two types of homeless and hungry people.  The ones that want to get off the street and the ones that don't.  I know this will sound harsh, but I have reason and experience to say this.  Some people are homeless and give 110% to getting off the street.  If they are given a house they will do everything in their power to keep it.  Then you have the ones that just give excuses.  Yes I lived on the street once.  Only for 2 months though and got a place.  I braved two snow storms and had a small tent to stay in next to a river.  I can tell you alot about what its like.  But I seen this only a temporary problem and constantly looked for ways to get off the street.  And I did with some help from the va and dav.  It was 5 months later that I went to a outreach building to see a friend.  Thing is I seen alot of the same people there.  Even when offered some assistance to get a place they refused.  These people are the ones that too lazy to solve the problem.  But those that do get off the street really appreciate the help they get.  I know I was.

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/2/2006 9:25:57 AM   
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I give plenty of chances and donations. I don't like kicking anyone, especially when they're down. However, some people need to be kicked back up. Divorce, death, and being laid off can change alot of things in a persons and or  families life.

I only hate seeing poverty and starvation as a life style that some just accept and beocome accustome to. In twenty years from now, I'm willing to bet that you'll still hear a few people say "I"m a Katrina Victim and FEMA took away my camper. Do you have a place I can stay?"

There's a time when ones problems should be resolved. Any begging after the cut off date is only a sign of being lazy.




Those lazy kids that are going to school hungry, I say let them eat cake! Or better yet, let them starve and get rid of the surplus population.

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RE: Hunger in America - 11/3/2006 12:09:40 AM   
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I am somewhat suspicious of this report that so many are unable to afford to buy food.  It's kinda vague.  Reminds me of what the US govt considers below the poverty line.  When I read that report about what they considered below the poverty line.....yeesh!....these people were hardly destitute.

Years back, I worked off a seatbelt fine and they put me at the local food bank.  The foreman told me that 90% of the food bank's customers were alcoholics and/or drug addicts on welfare.  I was disappointed to hear that as I had hoped that the Food Bank would be used to help young single mothers, needy families down on their luck for a period, or elderly people who struggle to get from pension check to pension check.  The best way to combat poverty and hunger is having a good economy.  Plus when everyone is working, it is better socially as most have less time to get into trouble if they just put in a 40+ hour week.

Interesting that I stumbled upon this thread, as just a few days ago I saw a lady lecturing a bum (he just lazily sat on the sidewalk in front of the mall with his ballcap held out soliciting  money) to shave, get a haircut, put on some clean clothes and get a J.O.B. 

Being a proponent of personal responsibility, I can't say that I disagreed with her.  


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