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damia -> Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 11:26:47 AM)

My apologies; background story is long. If one prefers, skip ahead to the bottom, there are a few questions there, that you don't -have- to read the background story to understand what they are asking.

i was introduced to someone, i'll call him WM. It was under my impression by what i was told about him that he is a switch, and was looking to dominate me for a scene, and then if that went well, perhaps get together other times. Well, the first scene was not perfect, but no one was expecting that. i put off his repeated questioning of what i wanted next and if this was all right and such as just not knowing me because we had just met. Overall, it wasn't bad. The second time was better, as WM had the Dom friend who had introduced us step in to 'assist,' though he ended up doing a lot more than WM. Now the third scene really shook me. i was told i'd be tied up to experiment with a new toy, some claws. i agreed to this, and was told nothing more. Then WM proceeded to use a flogger and crop on me. This startled me, as i had told him before that i hate surprises, because i have to prepare myself mentally, so he should at least tell me general ideas of what he might have planned (For example, he might say "There's a possibility of flogging, caning, and paddling", and then just do one or do all three). He did not do this, and it really threw me off-balance. i warned him with 'yellow' and he backed off for a moment, but then came back right where he stopped. i would have called 'red' because it really was starting to reck havec for me, but i think he caught on a little and finally asked me if that was enough. i managed to nod, and he helped me down. WM considered it not as intense a scene as the last because last time i came out with huge bruises, and this time there were none noticeable right away (though i haven't told him yet about the bruises caused by his cuffs that are too big for my wrists). But this scene affected me way harder than the other, mainly because i had time to  prepare for what was coming (paddle, light cropping, heavy bondage), and this time i was not told anything beyond the claws and bondage, which turned out to be only a very brief beginning.

i'm going to add a quote from one of his e-mails about the scene: "I have concerns however about the scene with you, [the Dom friend of his], and I.  In actuality, I don't really like to beat-up sweet little girls and make them cry so I don't feel right about the fact that, after we stopped, you seemed on the verge of tears."

i didn't understand why he choose to do first one scene, then another that including 'beating up sweet little girls', until he told me that he doesn't really consider himself dominant, but more like a 'Service Providing Top'...this seemed a serious communication problem to me.

So, here's my questions. First, what exactly is a 'Service Providing Top' and how can someone miscommunicate that they want to be dominant with a person, and then later say they don't want to dominate because they'd rather be a 'service providing top'? Second, how do i get this guy to understand that i don't want to 'top from the bottom' as he has suggested i can do with him. It irritates me when i see people who do 'top from the bottom,' and even more when i do it myself (which i used to do sometimes, and have corrected that problem). i've told him this, and i've told him that i also have no wish to dominate. i am not a Domme; i cannot take control. i have a wish to submit, because that's who i am, a submissive. And this is exactly what i have told him.

i think  he's a good guy, but he doesn't have the ability to dominate, and i feel a bit trapped by the situation. How can i get out of this situation, with no obligation to play with this guy again, without hurting his feelings or ruining my reputation?

damia the Kat




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 11:41:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: damia
 First, what exactly is a 'Service Providing Top'

It's fairly self explanatory.  It's someone who enjoys giving someone else a great experience as the top.
 
They provide service to the other person, it just happens to be from the traditional "top" perspective.
 
quote:

and how can someone miscommunicate that they want to be dominant with a person, and then later say they don't want to dominate because they'd rather be a 'service providing top'?

Easily- words and labels are slippery suckers.
 
His real issue isn't that he doesn't want to beat up little girls- it's that he wants his little girls to get OFF on it directly and come away from the scene all smiley and happy and glowy- not in tears or upset.
 
quote:

Second, how do i get this guy to understand that i don't want to 'top from the bottom' as he has suggested i can do with him. It irritates me when i see people who do 'top from the bottom,' and even more when i do it myself (which i used to do sometimes, and have corrected that problem). i've told him this, and i've told him that i also have no wish to dominate. i am not a Domme; i cannot take control. i have a wish to submit, because that's who i am, a submissive. And this is exactly what i have told him.

I'd suggest just saying it's not your style and you don't think you are compatible to play with but can be friends.

That shouldn't offend him, it might hurt his feelings some, but that's life and I don't see how that would ruin your reputation and i don't think you should be letting THAT be of any concern to you when you decide who to play with or not.  This is YOUR life, YOUR choice to have fun or not and YOU have to live with the consequences.  As long as you are open, polite and direct, it shouldn't become a major deal.




desoutter -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 11:51:57 AM)

Im so bad with these things -
I try to keep things simple - Get right down to it.... if you are certain this situation is not for you - own it... talk to him and let it go... reputation / feelings aside...

Something broken is not going to fix itself - Its best to do it and do it quick... It sounds like you have communicated your thoughts on the subject, which is great - now comes the time to take the medicine....

If it works - stick it out...
If it doesnt - cut the chord

sorry
desoutter




MsIncognito -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 11:52:57 AM)

So on one hand you don't want to top from the bottom but on the other hand you want to know everything that might potentially happen during a scene beforehand? Sounds contradictory to me.  If cropping and flogging have been acceptable activities in the past I think getting upset because you weren't forewarned about them in each and every scene is simply another way to top from the bottom.

Frankly, I'd be bored silly if scenes contained only specific pre-determined activities and nothing more, but that's just me.

As for 'getting out of' this situation I would think simply thanking him for the past play sessions and letting him know that you don't feel your play styles mesh would suffice.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 12:01:49 PM)

quote:

First, what exactly is a 'Service Providing Top' and how can someone miscommunicate that they want to be dominant with a person, and then later say they don't want to dominate because they'd rather be a 'service providing top'?

 
Take a fan that has a variable control, ideally somewhere on the electrical cord. Remove the protective cover. Replace the fan blades with strips (ideally leather, but bunny fur if you prefer), width, length, and texture of your choosing. Turn your back to the fan and with the control in your hand bend over and slowly back into the leather strips whirling around the motor so the strips smack your ass. If you prefer, you can move about and use the customized fan on any other part of your body; varying the speed with the control in your hand.
 
A 'service top' works the same way as the customized fan. You receive the sensation but you are the one in control. Your safe-word is the off button.




damia -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 12:29:31 PM)

Thank you all for the responses thus far. It is really giving me some food for thought. The visualization of the customized fan was very helpful, especially.

MsIncognito: i think i should explain better the need to know what might happen. i have borderline personality disorder, and while it doesn't normally interfere with my day-to-day life, for a scene, it is important to prepare myself. Otherwise, my emotions run out of check, and can be completely off-balance to the situation. i normally prepare for a scene simply with thinking about the possibilities and the emotions this might bring. i request that Doms let me know what may happen because i can't prepare myself for something i don't know about. One Dom did a sort of ritual that gave me no choice in the matter of IF it was going to happen (as long as it had been agreed to at some earlier date), but allowed me to prepare myself. Before the scene, He would check on soft limits or other play that i've said pushes boundaries on some days (sometimes starting a panic attack, or leading to self-injury later). Then at the beginning of the scene, He would use each toy on me lightly as a sort of warm-up, thus showing me what i was in for and allowing me to prepare.

i don't see this as topping from the bottom at all, because i am not telling them what to do or how to do it, just not allowing for surprises. If someone wants to do surprises, then they can scene with another sub. No one -has- to play by my rules, but if they scene with me, that's the condition i set. i have an emotional disorder, and i have to work around it, and i have learned that this is the best way to handle it.  i have tried to allow for surprises like heavy caning when i was prepared for light flogging, but i learned my lesson when a scene sent me into a state of depression and si that was very hard to get out of. i'm not prepared to allow for that to happen again, and this helps to prevent it.




MsIncognito -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 12:46:34 PM)

Certainly you have the right to control the scenes in whatever way you want (as do all bottoms/subs/slaves wether they choose to admit it or not) or for any reason you want (doesn't matter if it's due to BPD or just an extreme need to control, the result is the same) I just think it's not totally honest to say you're not topping from the bottom. JMO, of course and you're free to disagree. 

Needing to know what will/might happen in a scene is one of your limits - fair enough, but it's a pretty restrictive limit for many toppy types. Most enjoy having sme leeway to take things a little more fluidly. That's why I suggested you tell him that you feel that your play styles don't mesh. That should be sufficient to get the point across that you don't want to play anymore and I don't think it will ruin anyone's reputation. I've disentangled from several casual play partners and never had it affect anyone's reputation. That's the thing with casual play - it's casual and unencumbered and shouldn't carry any expectation for future scening unless both parties agree to it. 




Archer -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 12:51:24 PM)

You already know what a do me bottom is I assume? Wants the scene exactly this way scripted to a heavy extent no real surprizes.

Well a service Top is the perfect match for a do me bottom.





LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 12:56:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer
You already know what a do me bottom is I assume? Wants the scene exactly this way scripted to a heavy extent no real surprizes.

Well a service Top is the perfect match for a do me bottom.


Well I would say that this and Merc's description is useful to get a better understanding of service tops, it's not as simplistic as that.

I consider myself a service top, amongst many other things.  Sometimes in a scene, I want to top, but my main pleasure of it will be derived from the reactions of the other person, providing them with something to remember and connecting with them as the top.  I want to give them an experience.

But I'm still the top.  I certainly don't like do-me bottoms who try and orchestrate every move or get annoyed when you don't do it "their way" and I'm certainly more than just a body wielding a flogger.  I am the top, I am in control of the scene and it will be me who takes us where it is that we go.




Archer -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 1:43:52 PM)

Well it was stated with some tounge in cheek, there are few ruely total do me bottoms either, most want some surprizes nd not o script the entre thing but to retain a certain level of control.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Service-Providing Top? (10/31/2006 2:01:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer
Well it was stated with some tounge in cheek, there are few ruely total do me bottoms either, most want some surprizes nd not o script the entre thing but to retain a certain level of control.

And I didn't say you were completely off-base either :)




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