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SissySean -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/3/2006 8:21:47 PM)

Have a Coke and a smile




Mikal -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/3/2006 9:08:31 PM)

[:D]... now, where's the coke??? lol




SissySean -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/3/2006 9:46:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mikal

[:D]... now, where's the coke??? lol


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a25/Seanwrtr/coke3dmag-RS-213x328.jpg






stef -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/3/2006 10:16:29 PM)

I was expecting something "tubgirl" like whan I saw that link.  [;)]

~stef




SissySean -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 4:04:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

I was expecting something "tubgirl" like whan I saw that link.  [;)]

~stef


Good lord no. And I think I may be just about done with my breakfast too, thanks.




MizSuz -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 5:20:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

I was expecting something "tubgirl" like whan I saw that link.  [;)]

~stef


HA!  Do you know I was sitting in my IT class the other night and some of the younger folks there mentioned tubgirl.  I had no clue so I googled.  Of course all these young guys had said "don't do it, you'll need to scour your eyeballs, it's not for the squeemish (me???? squeemish????)" and the like.  Tubgirl pic opens in all her glory and I said "oh, it's just that" and everyone in the class sort of stared at me.  See, I'm the old person in the class (I'm even older than the instructor) and, well I guess I come off like someone's grandmother (I am, after all, someone's grandmother).  It was like a bit of langiappe, getting to blow their expectations of me a bit out of the water.

As to the original post, all people change in any relationship and the trick is to try to grow together and enable embracing the changes in a positive way.  If one person's changes keeps the other person's needs and wants from being met then there will be a problem.  The real trick is then how to address the problem so everyone's needs get met.  If he's unwilling to meet her needs to have straight sex, and she's unwilling to meet his needs to have sex in role, then I don't see either of them trying to find a balance to get their individual and mutual needs met.

As for sissifytoserve, although I have tried to listen to his positions I find that I am not willing to tolerate the venom that always seems to come with his reactions.  To me it seems like his responses are always reactions (with the associated venom).  He reminds me of someone who spent a considerable amount of time on AOL, in the role of a sissy, with the sole purpose of stirring up hate and discontent.  With very few exceptions the position always seems to be inflammatory.  It has bored me and I have stopped reading.  I suspect he will not miss me any more than I've missed him. 

Some of my closest and dearest friends are cross dressers.  Some were dressers before they met me, some were closet dressers their whole life who told no one until they met me.  It's not my kink, so it never occurs to me to treat it like a kink.  It's just another day to me.  Present as a woman and I'll treat you like a woman, present as a man and I'll treat you like a man (there isn't too much difference to me).  It's really all the same to me, and I find neither more erotic nor attractive than the other.  I do enjoy watching someone I love do something they love, though.  It's for that reason that I've enjoyed things like shopping (usually I hate to shop) with my cross dresser friends.  Makeup try outs with different techniques, etc.  My friend enjoys it and I enjoy my friend's company when he's sharing his joy with me.  <shrug>  But, this is not my primary relationship and I'm not doing without anything to remain in a friendship with them (unless you count mirror time - they are mirror hogs).




LotusSong -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 7:59:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

I was expecting something "tubgirl" like whan I saw that link.  [;)]

~stef


I just saw the tubgirl.  My first thought was, "how lonely does a person have to be to go to that extreme".




Lorelei115 -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 8:05:48 AM)

I love google. But that kinda made me feel ill. *laugh*




Aileen68 -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 8:09:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

I was expecting something "tubgirl" like whan I saw that link.  [;)]

~stef


I just saw the tubgirl.  My first thought was, "how lonely does a person have to be to go to that extreme".


You're not judging kinks now, are you? [;)]




LotusSong -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 8:12:23 AM)

I want to  clarify something. 
 
I checked off "hates cross dressing" in my profile because I was getting so  many  contacting me "to serve".  I hate the dressing- not the dresser.  I felt it necessary to put something there strong enough to deflect that expectation.
 
This is from my 60's influence of women's lib.  Since most represent themselves as the "stereotypical submissive (non-D/s variety) woman" in the humiliating maid costumes some women were to wear way back when.   THIS is what squicks me. 
 
Also the harlot representations. Seeing a man dress like a "slut" bothers me.  But then I think.. better them than us. Men can entertain each other as their own fantasies.  It's a 'job' I won't miss.
 
I think we need to understand both sides of the coin here.  And I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I'm just stating my case. 




LotusSong -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 8:16:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

I was expecting something "tubgirl" like whan I saw that link.  [;)]

~stef


I just saw the tubgirl.  My first thought was, "how lonely does a person have to be to go to that extreme".


You're not judging kinks now, are you? [;)]


Made me feel all warm and fuzzy to have WIITWD connected with something like that.  YES, I JUDGE.
 
Edited because I misinterpreted the comment :)   (blush)




Aileen68 -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 8:19:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

I was expecting something "tubgirl" like whan I saw that link.  [;)]

~stef


I just saw the tubgirl.  My first thought was, "how lonely does a person have to be to go to that extreme".


You're not judging kinks now, are you? [;)]


Made me feel all warm and fuzzy to have WIITWD connected with something like that.  YES I JUDGE. (get over it) 
 
Because I dont' want everyone to think we are all THAT sick. SORRY! (Not!)


Life would be boring without judgements.
I meant my post to be light hearted and a bit sarcastic...thus the wink at the end.




LadyEllen -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 8:28:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire
The problem I thought I saw in LSs story was that the interest was one sided.  The husband was taking his own needs into account and not even wiling to compormise to make the wife happy.  No matter what the activity, when one partner endulges their own desires completely and doesnt involve or consider the other partner, there is bound to be a problem.  This situation happens to be crossdressing.  What if it were something else. Would there be different advice if he refused to have sex with her without wearinga blindfold, or without being handcuffed?
I dont think the main problem is the ACTIVITY of crossdressing, though that one does seem to be harder to accept than others.  I think it is the single mindedness to which he is pursuing it at th eexpense of the one he loves.

DV


This was the best post on this thread (better even than mine, and thats saying something), and summed it up well.

Sissify - I share in your frustrations, but honestly I saw this thread as a discussion of a relationship issue that just happened to involve crossdressing, not as another opportunity to demonize crossdressers as I think you put it.

DV identified the issue well I thought - its the same issue as to why alcoholics' relationships always fail; a loving monogamous relationship requires commitment above all to the other person, and anything that one person places before the other person in their priorities will harm the relationship - it could be alcohol, drugs, a hobby, another person or even crossdressing. Its the imbalance in the relationship that LS was describing, which is the problem as I see it now, not the crossdressing per se.

E




tasha_tart -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 11:04:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

But, this is not my primary relationship and I'm not doing without anything to remain in a friendship with them (unless you count mirror time - they are mirror hogs).



Of course we are...but I bring my own.  [:D]
 
Tasha




LotusSong -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 11:15:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tasha_tart

quote:

ORIGINAL: MizSuz

But, this is not my primary relationship and I'm not doing without anything to remain in a friendship with them (unless you count mirror time - they are mirror hogs).



Of course we are...but I bring my own.  [:D]
 
Tasha


... and they DO put the toilet seat down :)




popeye1250 -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 11:51:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

If you don't like my opinion...don't read it.

I don't see it as freaking out..I call it seeing things the way they truly are as I see it.... and from my own experience.

Agree with it or disagree with it..fine.

I stated my opinion when baited to do so and I was attacked for answering.

This thread..as far as I am concerned was set up as an excuse for the specific purpose of demonizing crossdressers.

Tell me.....HOW often do you EVER hear a positive thread about crossdressers here? Answer??????? NEVER.

Do you want to drag this out?

I'm done.




Oh boy! "Demonizing." Isn't that one of those code words that the "Politically Correct" Nazis use?
I need to start a thread about that.
Sissify, this isn't a Crossdressing site.
You can't tell me that there aren't dozens of sites out there for cross dressers.
I would venture to say that most people in here have no interest in that activity.
Shopping, putting on makeup, dressing in women's clothes, posing etc don't have anything to do with B&D. Apples and oranges.
If someone wants to do those things fine, I have *no problem with it at all* but I also have *no interest* in it at all.

Now, mention handcuffs, rope, gags, & spanking and I would venture to guess that most people in here (do) have an interest in those things.
B&D people for the most part do not force their interests on other people.
You're simply barking up the wrong tree!
(Benji will like that.)




LadyEllen -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 12:05:59 PM)

Fetishes and fetishists do not belong here - not everyone here is into them, and bdsm does not rely on them for its existence
Gay men and lesbians do not belong here - not everyone here is gay or lesbian, and bdsm does not rely on homosexuality for its existence
Heterosexuals and bisexuals do not belong here - not everyone here is heterosexual or bisexual, and bdsm does not rely on heterosexuality or bisexuality for its existence
Trans people and crossdressers do not belong here - not everyone here is trans or a crossdresser, and bdsm does not rely on them for its existence

Is there anyone left now that everyone has been barred?

E





popeye1250 -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 12:14:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Fetishes and fetishists do not belong here - not everyone here is into them, and bdsm does not rely on them for its existence
Gay men and lesbians do not belong here - not everyone here is gay or lesbian, and bdsm does not rely on homosexuality for its existence
Heterosexuals and bisexuals do not belong here - not everyone here is heterosexual or bisexual, and bdsm does not rely on heterosexuality or bisexuality for its existence
Trans people and crossdressers do not belong here - not everyone here is trans or a crossdresser, and bdsm does not rely on them for its existence

Is there anyone left now that everyone has been barred?

E




Lady Ellen, nice try.
The name of this site is "COLLAR ME"  not  "DRESS ME".




LadyEllen -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 12:30:14 PM)

The point is Popeye, we could find a reason to exclude anyone.

The bottom line is, that as long as a person is interested in/ inclined to/ participating in D/s / bdsm, then it doesnt matter about any other aspect of their being or the particular flavour of their tastes, so long as they are safe, sane and consensual.

Personally I dont think non D/s or non bdsm crossdressers belong here particularly, but I wouldnt want to ban them either.

E




popeye1250 -> RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance (11/4/2006 12:50:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Fetishes and fetishists do not belong here - not everyone here is into them, and bdsm does not rely on them for its existence
Gay men and lesbians do not belong here - not everyone here is gay or lesbian, and bdsm does not rely on homosexuality for its existence
Heterosexuals and bisexuals do not belong here - not everyone here is heterosexual or bisexual, and bdsm does not rely on heterosexuality or bisexuality for its existence
Trans people and crossdressers do not belong here - not everyone here is trans or a crossdresser, and bdsm does not rely on them for its existence

Is there anyone left now that everyone has been barred?

E




Lady Ellen, has Collarme.com ever "banned" any of the above people?
Not to my knowledge they haven't.
You might send them an e-mail and ask them.




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