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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/1/2006 9:38:46 PM

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Pete,

You have no honor and no class, you have no idea what I do to support our troops. All you want to do is hide your cowardice by sending other men off to die so you can cower in your bed at night hoping that if you sell enough of your soul you might live to waste oxygen another day.

Down Crappy We may not agree on a lot of things but I know that you do support the troops - the policy not usually - but the troops yes

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 6:58:04 AM

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Pete,

You have no honor and no class, you have no idea what I do to support our troops. All you want to do is hide your cowardice by sending other men off to die so you can cower in your bed at night hoping that if you sell enough of your soul you might live to waste oxygen another day.

Shame Crappy - this was uncalled for.

At least Pete was a Veteran that fought in a foreign war - I think he has more right to speak on this topic than you ever will

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 7:05:33 AM

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I don't care what Kerry meant - he misspoke and it sounded bad - that's a fact.

He offended people, he offended troops ... had he just apologized right away saying he got tongue-tied, this whole issue would have been a non-issue and would have gone away very quickly.

He decided to get all political about it and it blew up in his face.

He should have apologized (and nothing else) - then he should have waited a day, then he could have lambasted all he wanted and it would have worked better to his advantage.

His tongue and his timing were off and it was his own fault.

He's apologized now; late, but he did apologize and it was fairly well done.

I don't like Kerry at all, but I accept his apology and I forgive his faux pax - let it drop and let's move on to something important

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 7:26:19 AM

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For a long time, maybe since birth, John Kerry's goal was to be President of the US. Everything he has done has been pointed to that goal, including his military service. It eliminated the objection and prejudice that existed during the time when he was in college; that to be President you had to serve in the US military. He treated it in the same manner he treated any other 'required class' to obtain his degree. His after service disclaimer of his countries military provides indication of his core beliefs; his military service disarms any challenge and provides legitimacy to his position. His comparison of the military servicemen to terrorists would have been a political death knell for anyone else, but pointing to his "three purple hearts" and active duty in Vietnam excuses him.

Kerry is not stupid. He is arrogant, calculating, and has an infinite ego. He so parallels President Bush in all these facets its difficult to tell them apart. (If it brings you pleasure to consider President Bush stupid, I apologize for upsetting your fantasy. You don't get to high office without being smart, arrogant, calculating, and have a huge ego.) How frustrating it must be for him that he isn't President and Bush is?! I don't know for sure, but this "joke" is going to be like Dean's scream. It will disqualify him from future national consideration. He has become a pariah to the other Democratic candidates and his party. He must be going crazy.

On the other, more recent, topic of this thread supporting the troops; I don't buy into that rationalization. I supported going into Iraq. I supported the war in getting rid of Saddam. I believed, along with Kerry and the other senators who voted for invasion that Saddam had WMDs in his possession. However, a while back I stopped supporting the occupation. I don't feel it necessary to be the policing referees getting killed for Muslims. We should leave and let them kill each other. This position does NOT support the troops. Our Muslim enemies feed upon that position. If gives them strength, generates recruits, and makes their goal one of survival until more and more people feel the way I do and force our leaders to surrender as we did in Vietnam.

If may give me comfort to say; "I don't support the war, but I support the troops." but it's hypocritical and a practical lie. My position supports the enemy. By definition it can't support the troops. I regret it. I wish it wasn't the case. But anything else is rationalization and hypocrisy.

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 7:57:00 AM

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Now it's Chaney's turn to apologize to Kerry. We could have done without his sophomoric sarcasm. Act like an adult, for criss-sakes!

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 8:25:24 AM

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Now it's Chaney's turn to apologize to Kerry. We could have done without his sophomoric sarcasm. Act like an adult, for criss-sakes!

No he doesn't - nahna, nahna, boo boo ;-P

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 10:07:12 AM

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Cheney should apologize to no one. Kerry insulted our troops, not Dick Cheney. If Kerry ever thought of another run for the White House he better go to plan B. He's done.

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 10:18:39 AM

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Dick Cheney NEVER has to apologize again - he shot a lawyer ... in the face.

He's my hero ;-)

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 10:56:57 AM

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Dick Cheney NEVER has to apologize again - he shot a lawyer ... in the face.

He's my hero ;-)

This is the money quote!!

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 4:08:29 PM

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Dick Cheney NEVER has to apologize again - he shot a lawyer ... in the face.

He's my hero ;-)

Cheney MISSED the fatal shot.

What's the point of just WOUNDING a Lawyer?

Poor Marksmanship.

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 8:58:04 PM

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Cheney should have shot Kerry, then this whole thing would have never happened...

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 9:10:23 PM

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LOL, I did the trick for americans, dont give a fuck if kerry did this or that or scrubbed latrines, he was there, he got some coming from me,. Don't care Bill eveaded, 'cause he said that, up front, and I spent a little time defiending that, but to walk up and act like you are at risk for this and you ain't? It would have been better you not made that choice, because...........you are beneath contempt.............

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/2/2006 11:21:14 PM

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What a pathetic apology. He basically said that he was sorry that people were too stupid to understand that he "mangled a joke". What an arrogant haughty liberal elitist Kerry is.

What nonsense. He wasn't talking about Bush; he slipped up and allowed his true feelings for the troops to show. How could he suggest he meant - jokingly - that Bush was uneducated? Bush is more educated, and had higher marks than Kerry did at Yale.

Then Kerry gets outraged that anyone would suggest that he, as someone who had served in Vietnam (if I had a dollar for every time he brags about his service in Vietnam...), would disparage the troops.

Is he unaware that liberals no longer have a stranglehold on the media? Is he unaware of Fox News, internet blogs, and talk radio? We are all aware that you, last year, said that the US military was terrorizing Iraqi women and children in the middle of the night. We are all aware that in the early 70s, you testified that US troops were shooting cattle, razing villages, chopping off limbs and committing crimes reminiscent of "Jingus" Khan.

What a jerk. Perhaps he can tell us how to become successful.....by marrying rich heiresses.....a subject that Kerry has lots of experience in.

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/3/2006 12:24:53 AM

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How could he suggest he meant - jokingly - that Bush was uneducated? Bush is more educated, and had higher marks than Kerry did at Yale.

This is publicity Yale doesn't need. Though to be fair to Yale, higher marks don't give someone honesty, integrity and common sense and the power of speach.

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/3/2006 3:49:47 AM

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Why did YOU add the concept of COLLEGE to Kerry's QUOTED remarks?

I *still* don't understand why you think making shit up is valid.

Have you asked yourself that same question? There are alot of people on here that just put together disjointed pieces of information and come to a conclusion.

The only thing that seems to make any sense is that you are just angry with him because he is disagreeing with you and your assessment of the situation. (Go back and read Post 50 - you are getting so upset your grammar and spelling are beginning to suffer)

It's pretty obvious that neither of you are going to see eye-to-eye on this topic and in some ways you are both right and wrong; maybe it's time to move on to something else.

If he gets any madder he might start capitalizing every other word............. it almost looks as if he's letting sissifytoserve type for him lol.

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/3/2006 4:24:17 AM

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/3/2006 5:43:31 AM

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This has been posted elsewhere , but it is funny, no matter which side you are on:

Troop message for John Kerry

Maybe Democrats are going to pony up to send John Kerry hunting with Dick Cheney...

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/3/2006 6:04:45 AM

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Well, Kerry apologised, so the thread is a bit moot. Nonetheless, as i listened to him, to what he said, i felt he spoke the truth. Options are and always have been limited for people in poor neighborhoods, and military service has always been one way out. Beyond that, though, mine was the generation that faced the Vietnam draft, where the penalty for dropping out or flunking out of college was a trip to that horrid place. i think Kerry was probably speaking of the possibility of another draft, which haunts me, but i think he handled the aftermath poorly.

Still W/we have all commited faux pau's; and Bush maybe more than most.

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/3/2006 6:12:56 AM

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Now aren't we all glad that Kerry didn't become the President of the USA?

I really didn't want Bush but when you have to choose between the two evils, Bush is less evil.

Anyhow, how right is Kerry? I've known plenty of College Drop outs who joined the military as a way for work and paying off debts. I knew one guy who joined the army for the bennifits after learning that he was going to be a father. When I asked people why join ROTC, the number one answer was "It pays for college." I even went to High School with one guy who was going to join the military untill he was given a full scholarship.

So is joining the military more for patriotism or needing the money and bennifits?

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RE: Should Kerry Apologize? - 11/3/2006 6:23:29 AM

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Well, is it true that many enlisted soldiers come from poor, less educated families and see the military as a way out. Many of these soldiers get "stuck in Iraq" for their 5th, going on 6th tour in 4 years. Yes, I believe that many of these soldiers believe in the mission over there, but I'll just about guarantee that they are there more for each other, than they are for "The Mission".

I'm not insulted by Kerry's comments and feel no need for him to apologize, but as usual, FOX, with it's oh so fair and balanced journalism, has whipped this thing into something more than it is.

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