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A work of art? - 11/2/2006 11:02:53 AM

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A friend of mine whom i live with has started showing quite an interest in 'the lifestyle'. As i don't have all the answers to his questions, in fact i probably don't have even an eighth of them i gave him 'screw the roses' to read. He spent all last night engrossed in the book and today stated 'he now understand the fantasy of rape and that he felt that any scene set up was a work of art.'
Now i've never looked at a scene from the point of view of being 'art'.
What do you think?

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 11:07:50 AM

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somtimes it is art....sometimes its just paint flung on a canvas.

art, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder....but i can say one thing: if there is not the possibility or varriables in place for it to become a work of art...why bother?

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 11:38:31 AM

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Absolutely. In fact a lot of public scenes are "performance art" and at many conventions, there are "demo scenes" given for the express purpose of performing.

There are some beautiful photographers who focus on bdsm scenes in their art, and for me it is as "mise en scene" as anything.

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 11:43:40 AM

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Some of it is fingerpainting, LOL
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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 11:50:22 AM

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I believe in this fully. Art is not merely paint or pen on canvas but capturing the beauty of a moment to be savored. Hence such things as performance art and dance being considered art forms.

Why not D/s then? Why not endure to turn every scene into a work of beauty and art to be savored?

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 12:40:06 PM

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Most of the books like 'Screw' (for instance the Topping and Bottoming books), as they are geared towards beginners and, in my opinion, people who are meeting casually, tend to focus quite heavily on negotiation. So much so that you could consider a scene 'scripted'. In such a manner it becomes like a play or, as the others have mentioned, a performance.

I'm not so sure how much of this finite negotiation happens in WWD. Most of the people who have played with me over the years negotiated a safe word, but never felt the need to go over the activities that would be involved. They just wanted me to drive, so that's what happened.

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 12:49:18 PM

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I have to agree with you there, LA - there is some of the most stunning photographs that depict and use this way of life. My wife is a stunning photographer and will soon be looking for models to sit for her - that I cannot wait for the outcome. Many, many nilla's have commented on the use of 'garb' that is represented in the photographs we see, truly art!

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 1:13:44 PM

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Yes, I believe it's art.

some of the things I do, some of the implements and accessories I've seen, the reactions I've got...

I'm left openmouthed at the sublime beauty of it all sometimes.

Definitely art.

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 1:26:32 PM

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I think yes. Yes. And, more yes.

I'm not against long term relationships, and can't really imagine an ltr without strong D/s elements, but, that's not my only interest in this kind of stuff. I get frustrated by reductivist attitudes that looks at play outside committed relationships as somehow cheap or less than play within relationships. To me, the whole matrix of wiitwd is so much more than finding a partner for a relationship, though I understand, and respect the fact that for a lot of people it is about relationships.

I remember being totally floored by the first play party I attended because I was so taken by the aethetics of it all. I only went to watch, but to me it was a awesome combination of power and grace.

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 5:20:52 PM

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For me it is all an artistic expression. Coming from a personality and career centered around the arts, I find myself continually viewing my activities in the lifestyle as a form of art. From building dungeon equipment, to decorating said dungeon, to fasioning implements, to even setting up a scene in role play when it requires a strict "scripted" form and a particular atmosphere and ambience, and then the way in which I direct the scene are all works of art to me. Even in the case( which is most usual) when scenes are improvisational like performing jazz, that in itself is an artform. Even the ability to negotiate well beforehand is an art and which I am continually striving to perfect. I believe that for myself this is one of the important factors that keeps my activities fresh, and interesting. And to take it a step further, I believe that Tops who view their work as an "art" develop a particular style that is individual, unique and unmistakable to themselves. However, just as other artists often find themselves in a "rut"....turning out the same material over and over again, I find myself continual questioning whether or not I am just going through the paces of directing a scene or even how I relate to individual relationships. The later issue, the "art" of relationships, I find to be the most difficult to master personally.

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 6:18:05 PM

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The painting is an existential drama, an event, Jackson Pollock like.

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RE: A work of art? - 11/2/2006 7:32:04 PM

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The Man finds ropework an artistic endeavor as well as a sexual turnon. Role play can be seen as a performing art, although I've never thought about it in that term before.

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