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The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 6:25:25 AM   
peterK50


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Status: offline 		George W. has been called "The Great Divider", for his polarizing statements such as "If your against me you're for the terrorists." Is this the new state of America? Will politics ever move back to the middle again?

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 7:16:46 AM   
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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 7:17:56 AM   
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Will politics ever move back to the middle again?

???????????
When was American politics ever anything but black & white, with us or agin us bullshit?

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 7:18:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		When the left and right fanatics take up arms and kill each other (pause to let that wonderful thought just flow over us ...) then the country will be left to the more centrist of us.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 7:24:17 AM   
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Will politics ever move back to the middle again?

???????????
When was American politics ever anything but black & white, with us or agin us bullshit?



I agree, the "Great Divide" wasn't invented by Bush - even the Founding Fathers bickered about crap.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 7:44:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yanno? If I had the option of Bush or OSB to invite for dinner, I'd choose OSB. Why? Well in my opinion OSB would be a far better conversationalist, far more knowledgeable, far more interesting and far better company overall. The fact he might like me dead doesnt put me off at all; after all, its better to know someone's motives clearly as then you can deal with them - the other guy, I can only suspect what he really has in mind for his country, for me and for the rest of the world.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 7:47:24 AM   
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Yanno? If I had the option of Bush or OSB to invite for dinner, I'd choose OSB. Why? Well in my opinion OSB would be a far better conversationalist, far more knowledgeable, far more interesting and far better company overall. The fact he might like me dead doesnt put me off at all; after all, its better to know someone's motives clearly as then you can deal with them - the other guy, I can only suspect what he really has in mind for his country, for me and for the rest of the world.

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Then I guess that makes you AGAINST US!!!!!  muhahahaha

BTW, who still says "Yanno"?

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 7:56:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		A recent poll of Britons found more worried about W. then worried about Kim Jong-il.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 8:05:17 AM   
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Yanno? If I had the option of Bush or OSB to invite for dinner, I'd choose OSB. Why? Well in my opinion OSB would be a far better conversationalist, far more knowledgeable, far more interesting and far better company overall. The fact he might like me dead doesnt put me off at all; after all, its better to know someone's motives clearly as then you can deal with them - the other guy, I can only suspect what he really has in mind for his country, for me and for the rest of the world.

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Then I guess that makes you AGAINST US!!!!!  muhahahaha

BTW, who still says "Yanno"?


I'm with you; just against all forms of stupidity portrayed as the ideal!

yanno? I'm in the UK, and yanno? I dont know what the fashionable form is for yanno? yanno?

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 8:06:06 AM   
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A recent poll of Britons found more worried about W. then worried about Kim Jong-il.


That's because our missiles are tested and approved by the Bomb You Back To The Stone Age Society - North Korea's missiles are not quite up to our caliber - LOL

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 8:11:26 AM   
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A recent poll of Britons found more worried about W. then worried about Kim Jong-il.


I'd put a bet on that a poll across the European continent would produce the same result. I don't know how GW looks through American eyes but through European eyes he appears to ill educated, lacks complex thought, acts first and forgets to think later and his Texas cowboy act just freaks us. Him along with his Strausian disciples Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, along with Cheney are just too scary for words.

Oh for the good old days of Clinton when even if you disagreed with his policies, he was rational and played a complex game and you never got the impression he would go off on a jolly.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 8:19:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Politics have always been this way. I think what has made it different is that now with communication advances that a person can see everything that is done this way. So back in the day to hear the slander you had to be present at a speech or your local reporter for the paper and now everything is on the Interent within seconds.

Fox news is not even a new ideal. Several founding fathers started up their own newspapers to push their agenda.

I think what we are seeing that is different, maybe not unique, is that on one side you have King George and his cronies who believe they are infallable and to compromise and admit to a mistake is a sign of weakness and on the Dems side no leaders or balls to fight fire with fire. I think most of the time when the sides are more evenly matched that discussion and compromise tends to be more normal. I just think we are in a period of time that the checks and balance of the dynamic is off. Hopefully you will see it start to change with next week's election and this will cause the Republican party to become less blind mice following their Master and Democrats gain some confidence and some guts.



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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 10:47:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: peterK50

George W. has been called "The Great Divider", for his polarizing statements such as "If your against me you're for the terrorists." Is this the new state of America? Will politics ever move back to the middle again?


Hey Peter   You have a reference on this.   I don't think I have heard it before

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 10:54:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: peterK50

George W. has been called "The Great Divider", for his polarizing statements such as "If your against me you're for the terrorists." Is this the new state of America? Will politics ever move back to the middle again?


The "Middle" keeps changing, this rhetoric could become the new "Middle" .. hopefully not, but we have moved so far right that the new middle is not middle as far as I can see, it is the old right. The left is where the middle used to be.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 11:22:39 AM   
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A recent poll of Britons found more worried about W. then worried about Kim Jong-il.


Great!

There hasn't been a recent poll in the US about Britons.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 11:39:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: peterK50

George W. has been called "The Great Divider", for his polarizing statements such as "If your against me you're for the terrorists." Is this the new state of America? Will politics ever move back to the middle again?


Hey Peter   You have a reference on this.   I don't think I have heard it before



I do not recall him saying that exactly. I do know that he has said a vote for the Democrats is a vote for the terrosists. This he says pretty much in everyone of his stump speeches the past few weeks.

Personally I do not see much of a difference in the two statements that can effect a view on this. I would usually write this off to campaign rhetoric but with King George he might actually believe it.



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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 11:44:09 AM   
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I do not recall him saying that exactly. I do know that he has said a vote for the Democrats is a vote for the terrosists. This he says pretty much in everyone of his stump speeches the past few weeks.

Personally I do not see much of a difference in the two statements that can effect a view on this. I would usually write this off to campaign rhetoric but with King George he might actually believe it.



Yeah   I think I heard variations of that one.  I count those similar to the ones where the dems say reps are mean spirited.   Just plain ole campaign rhetoric that can't be proven one way or the other.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 11:53:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Yanno? If I had the option of Bush or OSB to invite for dinner, I'd choose OSB. Why? Well in my opinion OSB would be a far better conversationalist, far more knowledgeable, far more interesting and far better company overall. The fact he might like me dead doesnt put me off at all; after all, its better to know someone's motives clearly as then you can deal with them - the other guy, I can only suspect what he really has in mind for his country, for me and for the rest of the world.

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Hello A/all,

I am reading a fascinating book by a guy named Kevin Phillips called "American Theocracy."  In the preface, he describes himself as a former fiscal conservative Republican, but after researching the direction his party is going, he lost faith in it.

A few of the items he points out which fascinate me are:

40% of the Republican party are religous Fundamentalist Christians.  This is the largest solid voting bloc in the party, and one which political aspirants cannot afford to piss off.

Every society in history (England, Holland, Spain, The US, etc) which has started to lose it's primacy because it has lost it's primary energy source, whether that be wind, coal, oil, whatever, has tended to become polarized on the subject of religion.  At the moment, the planet has entered a phase of the use of oil where it will take more energy to extract the oil and refine it than one gets energy back from the oil you made.  He sites a bunch of examples of this.

The US has been chained to an oil economy going back almost 100 years.  At the moment, the Republican party (largely religious zealots) have put into power a group of people who are all related to either Big Oil or the Auto industry.

I am only on chapter 3, but he makes a lot of wonderful points that seem to put a lot of what is going on in the United States into context.

Just me, etc.

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 11:59:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Sinergy   Did he really say ALL republicans in office are related to either the oil or auto business?   I find that hard to believe.  I have seen some that are pretty poor (my retirement salary was greater than theirs until they got elected to office)

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RE: The Great Divider - 11/3/2006 12:24:12 PM   
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Hey Sinergy   Did he really say ALL republicans in office are related to either the oil or auto business?   I find that hard to believe.  I have seen some that are pretty poor (my retirement salary was greater than theirs until they got elected to office)


He did not say all.

Monkeyboy, Shotgun, Norton, Rice, etc., all oil.

The Department of Energy guy, GM.

If you want the list I will get it for you...

It was pretty all-encompassing, although I am sure there are some stragglers from other industries.

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