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medievalwench -> Do any Masters (11/3/2006 11:52:07 AM)
dislike calling their sub their 'propery' or themself their sub's 'Owner'? i was wondering as my Master says He does not like to use these terms, even though i have given myself to Him as a gift and He accepted me/my submission. Thankyou for reading, wench

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 11:54:43 AM)
I don't call my girl an boi "property" nor do I identify as an Owner. However, I do feel that they're MINE. Master Fire

emdoub -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 12:04:26 PM)
While I reserve the terms 'property' and 'owner' to TPE, I've always enjoyed using them when appropriate. Midnight Writer, chiming in

medievalwench -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 12:08:15 PM)
Thankyou Masters, girl appreciates your replies.

Archer -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 12:34:27 PM)
For me the ideas of Ownership and property are the definative difference between a M/s and a D/s relationship. That is not to say that I get to impose that view on the world (just yet LOL). But you and your master are not alone in the idea that these concepts are somhow wrong either for you or for everyone else. The idea of "owning" someone else is distastefull to some, and yet provide the exact right spice for others.

Kalira -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 1:08:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: medievalwench dislike calling their sub their 'propery' or themself their sub's 'Owner'? i was wondering as my Master says He does not like to use these terms, even though i have given myself to Him as a gift and He accepted me/my submission. Thankyou for reading, wench Even though I am not a Master; mine does refer to me as nothing more than property. I am not a GF, I am not wife, I am not a submissive. I am property; nothing more and nothing less. In addition to this, I did not 'give him the gift' of my submission. I offered *MYSELF* to him, which he took as was his right. [:)]

ExtremeOwnerIL -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 1:29:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: medievalwench dislike calling their sub their 'propery' or themself their sub's 'Owner'? i was wondering as my Master says He does not like to use these terms, even though i have given myself to Him as a gift and He accepted me/my submission. Thankyou for reading, wench I would have to take the opposite opinion, I like the terms. chuckles at my CM ID In all seriousness, there's a specific reason I've chosen the "Owner"/"property" labels - they suit me and my girl. I have specific opinions on labels in general as used by the BDSM community. I have not been awarded my leathers or cap by an organization, so I am reluctant to use the label of "Master" outside of how my girl may address me. I am more than a Top to her, and she is more than a bottom to me. Our dynamic is 24/7, although not the same way 24/7 is eroticized in literature or lauded by the cyber-bdsm-crowd. For us, Owner/property is a reflection on our coming up with our own choices. It, like "Daddy/girl" or "Master/slave", helps to explain us. Regards, EO

ExtremeOwnerIL -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 1:30:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kalira I did not 'give him the gift' of my submission. I offered *MYSELF* to him, which he took as was his right. [:)] Now you wouldn't be wanting to start the OTHER constantly reoccuring theme in BDSM forums, would you? ;) (not that we haven't been entertained lately with the "no limits" and "Dom vs. Master" threads...) Regards, EO

Kalira -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 1:33:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExtremeOwnerIL quote: ORIGINAL: Kalira I did not 'give him the gift' of my submission. I offered *MYSELF* to him, which he took as was his right. [:)] Now you wouldn't be wanting to start the OTHER constantly reoccuring theme in BDSM forums, would you? ;) (not that we haven't been entertained lately with the "no limits" and "Dom vs. Master" threads...) Regards, EO awwwwwwww come on.........pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [8D]

MasterKernow -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 1:40:32 PM)
Just to clarify, i think it was a bit 'fluffy' of girl to put the way she gave herself to Master the way she did; I have all of her, not submission alone. W/we are in a 24/7 D/S relationship which sometimes, (okay, often, girl is a pain slut <g>) involves S&M and other aspects of the lifestyle.

Focus50 -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 2:22:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: medievalwench dislike calling their sub their 'propery' or themself their sub's 'Owner'? i was wondering as my Master says He does not like to use these terms, even though i have given myself to Him as a gift and He accepted me/my submission. Thankyou for reading, wench Dislike referring to my girl as personal property? Absolutely not! But I'll qualify that to say I'd never do so in front of vanilla company, only fellow lifestylers. Maybe your master has been a little too socially engineered to truly be comfortable with an ownership dynamic (at least openly) or maybe it's nothing more than his personal choice. If it irks you, you should discuss it with him.... Focus.

medievalwench -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 3:07:23 PM)
girl has discussed this with Master, she feels content to know that she feels she is His, and is happy with His saying things like 'you are Mine'. The thing that brought this up today was a friend sent girl a tag for her collar, (girl is to be collared tomorrow), and Master said our friend should have asked Him what inscription to have on it - although He has got girl a tag which has His inscription on it, which is to be a suprise. The friend had had 'property of MasterKernow' inscribed, Master said He would prefer if it had said 'under command of', or 'claimed by'; this won't be a problem though as Master said girl may wear the friend's tag sometimes as long as it faces so as to show only her name, wench, which is on the front. Master thinks the engraver in the pet store where the friend bought the tag must have been intrigued :0)

Owned1 -> RE: Do any Masters (11/3/2006 10:43:03 PM)
I am Master's property and he is my Owner Owned

MagiksSlave -> RE: Do any Masters (11/4/2006 12:24:31 AM)
I like beeing owned by Master!!! Magik's slave

nephandi -> RE: Do any Masters (11/4/2006 3:19:31 AM)
my future Master probably will refer to me as his, but some like to use this word, some another. OP it may be that he somhow feel it is wrong, and do it realy matter what he call you, you are his, you are to wear his collar forever what do it matter if he calls you banana or cutiewutie or slave or anything else, while names can be inportant they are not that inportant. Perhaps he dont belive in slavery, perhaps to him you are under his comand, and underling so to speak, but if you have the same life whit him as an underling as you would a slave, do it realy matter?

medievalwench -> RE: Do any Masters (11/4/2006 4:55:39 AM)
to nephandi, thankyou for replying, it does not really matter to me what Master calls me, it is His decision, He may call me anything at all or nothing at all as is His whim. He rarely calls me by names which i find humiliating unless i am bad, He named me wench and i love it, but if He wants to call me whore or whatever else that is His decision.

Wildfleurs -> RE: Do any Masters (11/4/2006 8:58:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: medievalwench dislike calling their sub their 'propery' or themself their sub's 'Owner'? i was wondering as my Master says He does not like to use these terms, even though i have given myself to Him as a gift and He accepted me/my submission. Thankyou for reading, wench I think my owner has used a variety of terms to describe himself, but most often he uses the term master, in relation to me (i.e., i'm wildfleurs master). Somehow I've gotten into the habit of using the word owner, but I also see the terms owner and master as being interchangable so its not a big issue for either of us. C~

RiotGirl -> RE: Do any Masters (11/4/2006 3:58:35 PM)
i'm in a TPE M/s relationship - and no he does not call me property. I belong to him, he owns me, i am his - yet he has never brought it to the level of "you are my property". Granted it could be inferred and i'm sure it is. He neednt say to me "I am Owner, you are property" While i think it is the hard bottom line when it comes down to it. I am more then just property to him. I am many things. Many many many things that i couldnt even list. i dunno, to be called "property" would seem to negate everything else. Yet as i said, it is the bottom line. Owner/property does not equate to TPE or M/s

Celeste43 -> RE: Do any Masters (11/4/2006 5:02:49 PM)
We're D/s not M/s. He doesn't view me as property simply because property to him is inanimate or less than human. He wants me to be more than a sex slave and property doesn't seem to encompass the kind of complete relationship he wants. It seems to leave out input, sometimes very strongly given.

shadevarr -> RE: Do any Masters (11/8/2006 3:50:17 PM)
I do tell my girl that she is my property in the regard that she is mine to do with as I please and it is part of her duties to take care of my property as well (including herself).

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